Senator Seeks to Expedite Online Sales Tax Bill

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Looks like there might be a vote on that online sales tax bill sooner than we thought. :(

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is setting up online sales tax legislation for a possible vote on the Senate floor after the chamber completes work on gun legislation. On Tuesday night, Mr. Reid began the process of moving an online sales tax bill to the Senate floor on an expedited basis, without going through the committee process.
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Of course he wants to expedite the bill, EVERY DAY that goes by is money spent that's not being taxed!
OH, THE HUMANITY!

Filthy thieves.
 
Stop fighting a senseless Drug war and save Billions..... Too obvious for them to see I guess!
 
Silicon_Chef said:
Stop fighting a senseless Drug war and save Billions..... Too obvious for them to see I guess!
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That's not how it's seen. Stopping the "war on drugs" would drop expenses and lead to cuts in government budgets because of unneeded services/personnel, which they see as a LOSS.

Not to mention all the court fines and seized property.
 
bpmurrGT said:
What's in your wallet?
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A bank card, a master card, a jcpenny's credit card, a bath and body works gift card that still has a few dollars on it , a driver's license, a reciept for some books I checked out of the local library and returned a few weeks ago :eek: an insurance card, hand sanitizer wipes, and pictures of my cat. What does that have to do with taxes?
 
Silicon_Chef said:
Stop fighting a senseless Drug war and save Billions..... Too obvious for them to see I guess!
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Legalizing drugs would only save money if you also eliminated welfare, or at least required welfare recipients to be drug free.
 
Full disclosure: I've never been on welfare.

nutzo said:
Legalizing drugs would only save money if you also eliminated welfare, or at least required welfare recipients to be drug free.
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You've obviously never applied for welfare because if you did you'd know that it requires endless sitting and waiting at government offices to even see a single check.

http://tbo.com/ap/politics/welfare-drug-testing-yields--positive-results-252458

Welfare drug-testing yields 2% positive results
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In other words we wasted more money drug testing people while enriching republican lobbyists who own drug testing companies with tax payer money. Yay. So much for "small government". :rolleyes:
 
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bpmurrGT said:
What's in your wallet?
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Driver's licence, debit card, student ID, AAA card, Sweet Daddy Cupcakes free cupcake card, World of Beer Loyalty card, World of Beer WOBU card, Dave & Buster's card, AutoZone Rewards card, BevMo ClubBev card, Bookman's store credit slip, ATM receipts, gas receipt.
 
you kind of have to ask yourself.....How much can we be taxed before something happens. I'm at around 38% from my income and 11% from my purchases. Where is the breaking point. 60%, 70%, 80% or is there no breaking point.
 
stevedave said:
you kind of have to ask yourself.....How much can we be taxed before something happens. I'm at around 38% from my income and 11% from my purchases. Where is the breaking point. 60%, 70%, 80% or is there no breaking point.
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Ask the Swedes. Ask the Norwegians. Ask the Danes. Ask the Belgians. 20-25% VAT and more than 50% paid in income tax, plus a host of other fees and levies.
 
If it's any consolation, if they ever get off of gun control, I'm sure they'll move onto regulating pressure cookers and ball bearings...and then they might get to the internet sales tax.
 
Rob94hawk said:
Vote and get rid of these people instead of complaining.
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These people? Whom are these people and how do we vote them in or out? As far as I know I get 2 choices a Democrat or a Republican both of which are going to tax the hell out of me. Only difference is one will do it with more fear mongering and inequality.
 
Everyone saying "be more efficient" or "stop wasting money" is forgetting something.

As more purchases move onto the internet, the sales tax revenue from traditional purchases drops off.

But to me, there are two reasons internet purchases weren't taxed.
1. They represented a small volume. This is no longer the case.
2. Helping out a nascent industry who had a hard time winning trust.

Sure, government is inefficient and wastes money, I'm not denying that--but let's stop pretending we live in some libertarian/Rand fantasy world where the vast majority of government spending is waste (hint: social insurance programs and defense) and everything can be improved by "cutting waste."

Let's have a debate on how big government should be--but just because you're used to no taxes on internet purchases doesn't mean there isn't a legitimate reason to discuss them (dropping sales tax revenue).
 
stevedave said:
These people? Whom are these people and how do we vote them in or out? As far as I know I get 2 choices a Democrat or a Republican both of which are going to tax the hell out of me. Only difference is one will do it with more fear mongering and inequality.
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You must mean blatant fear mongering like Obama did with the sequester cuts and the shaming of anyone who holds a different opinion on abortion or same-sex marriage on religious grounds while calling for respecting other people's views.
 
Sales tax is about state revenue not Federal revenue.

You call it a "Rand fantasy world," but at some point wouldn't it be worth it to stop and ask yourself whether or not we could live without it (certain things)? If you can't see government waste, you're not looking very hard.

Sovereign said:
Everyone saying "be more efficient" or "stop wasting money" is forgetting something.

As more purchases move onto the internet, the sales tax revenue from traditional purchases drops off.

But to me, there are two reasons internet purchases weren't taxed.
1. They represented a small volume. This is no longer the case.
2. Helping out a nascent industry who had a hard time winning trust.

Sure, government is inefficient and wastes money, I'm not denying that--but let's stop pretending we live in some libertarian/Rand fantasy world where the vast majority of government spending is waste (hint: social insurance programs and defense) and everything can be improved by "cutting waste."

Let's have a debate on how big government should be--but just because you're used to no taxes on internet purchases doesn't mean there isn't a legitimate reason to discuss them (dropping sales tax revenue).
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Of course the internet sales tax will EXCLUDE congressman, corporations and the 1%ers.
 
And there will be so many people who will be unhappy with this bill who will vote for him in his re-election.
 
Harry Reid is the biggest piece of shit to ever grace the face of the earth. If I could I'd willingly go to jail to punch him so hard in the fucking face that even his ancestors would feel it. I hope he dies in a fire. Fucking diseased parasitic sub-human douche bag that he is.
 
Methadras said:
Harry Reid is the biggest piece of shit to ever grace the face of the earth. If I could I'd willingly go to jail to punch him so hard in the fucking face that even his ancestors would feel it. I hope he dies in a fire. Fucking diseased parasitic sub-human douche bag that he is.
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Thank you for contributing valid, rational points of discussion to this conversation.
 
Silicon_Chef said:
Stop fighting a senseless Drug war and save Billions..... Too obvious for them to see I guess!
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re-arranging the deck chairs. We need to save trillions, not billions.

Only one way to get there. Cut some social spending now or have it all disappear later.
 
as soon as they are done with gun legislation huh?

these guys are a laugh a minute
 
stevedave said:
These people? Whom are these people and how do we vote them in or out? As far as I know I get 2 choices a Democrat or a Republican both of which are going to tax the hell out of me. Only difference is one will do it with more fear mongering and inequality.
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Really? It's a Democrat that is pushing this tax.

It's almost always Democrats that are pushing for tax increases, unless you are referring to the "moderate" Republicans that compromise and go along with the Democrats tax increases.
 
nutzo said:
Legalizing drugs would only save money if you also eliminated welfare, or at least required welfare recipients to be drug free.
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I personally think all elected politicians and all employees (including all executives) at every company should also be forced to be drug tested. Especially if they make their living from tax payer dollars, take legalized bribes (aka "Campaign Contributions), are given subsidies, and/or are given entitlements like tax payer funded bailouts (aka welfare).

I think most Americans would be shocked at the number of positive tests.
 
brycejones said:
Meh, this is something that needs to happen at some point.
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the problem is requiring online retailers to collect tax for every state/city/county/whatever would be a burden only the likes of Amazon could suffer... it would literally put a huge amount of online retailers out of business
 
It must be time for them to vote themselves a raise again and they want to make sure we can afford to give them one. :rolleyes:
 
Croak said:
Ask the Swedes. Ask the Norwegians. Ask the Danes. Ask the Belgians. 20-25% VAT and more than 50% paid in income tax, plus a host of other fees and levies.
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The difference is they get to call themselves socialist and get ALL the benefits of it. We are working on taxing ourselves like socialists, but because we're so proud of calling ourselves capitalists, we don't get any of the advantages (education, healthcare, vacation, maternity leave, etc).

So in other words in America, the government gets to charge us like socialists but don't have to give us anything for our money. :cool:
 
Shockingly, I've been buying locally more often. With price matching and me needing the item immediately, buying from B&M is starting to make sense again.
Also returns are so much easier. If B&Ms continue to be aggressive I'll buy locally more.

The tax bill may put the ball back in the B&Ms court and prices may go back up.
And on the other hand we may finally see a Amazon B&M, Newegg B&M and more Microcenters locations around the country because many customers will return to buying locally.
 
My question is... why are there exceptions? at all?

Take that out (in taxes), and you'll only have tax evaders and tax payers. Will it make the world a perfect place? No, but it's an important step. And we probably have to cut some stuff in the government as well.
 
Pylon said:
Thank you for contributing valid, rational points of discussion to this conversation.
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It actually is somewhat valid. The fact that a criminal like Reid continues to get re-elected over and over again despite his corruption is very telling.
 
FLECOM said:
the problem is requiring online retailers to collect tax for every state/city/county/whatever would be a burden only the likes of Amazon could suffer... it would literally put a huge amount of online retailers out of business
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I don't think so, its 2013 there is a business opportunity here to provide services to do this at a low cost. This isn't an insurmountable issue.
 
westrock2000 said:
The difference is they get to call themselves socialist and get ALL the benefits of it. We are working on taxing ourselves like socialists, but because we're so proud of calling ourselves capitalists, we don't get any of the advantages (education, healthcare, vacation, maternity leave, etc).

So in other words in America, the government gets to charge us like socialists but don't have to give us anything for our money. :cool:
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This isn't creating a VAT or national sales tax but requiring online businesses to collect sales taxes based on the buyers local sales tax rates.
 
nutzo said:
Really? It's a Democrat that is pushing this tax.

It's almost always Democrats that are pushing for tax increases, unless you are referring to the "moderate" Republicans that compromise and go along with the Democrats tax increases.
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Someone has to collect the money all the Republicans spent on two wars and tax rebates for all this last decade. The restaurant bill has come due and we're all washing dishes now yet the Republicans act like they didn't ring up the bill and only had a glass of water.;)
 
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