Senate Panel OKs Controversial Antipiracy Bill

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The Protect IP Act has been approved by the U.S. Senate's Judiciary Committee.

The Protect IP Act looks to hand the U.S. Department of Justice the ability to seek a court order against allegedly infringing Web sites. The order could be served on search engines, certain Domain Name System providers, and Internet advertising firms--which would in turn be required to "expeditiously" make the target Web sites vanish from the Internet.
 

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To citizens of the beautiful U.S.A. - ABANDON SHIP!!!

Legislation is going to kill us. Looking forward to when we get some tech-savvy politicians in 40 years. Maybe uncorrupted in 60 years? X_X
 

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Fuck this bought and paid for government, that continues to suck corporate dick and shit all over its citizens. This is beyond unconstitutional. Welcome to the prison state.
 

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And whose jurisdiction in the DoJ would it be to decide which web pages are infringing and which ones are not? I really don't like this.

I'll also be waiting for FOX News to label this a "big government power grab", like it did with Net Neutrality.
 
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more non-sense on the be-quest of the lobbyists to waste government resources, only to be nullified soon after by some savy hackers with plugins,etc
 

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Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) is putting a hold on the bill if it reaches the Senate floor.
 

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Suddenly politicians like Ron Paul with their "hands off the internet" campaign aren't looking so bad for 2012 after all. Unfortunately, repealing a law is a heck of a lot harder than preventing it from being born, so I can only pray that the big government nanny state Democrats and police state Republicans are booted out in place of more liberty appreciating moderates sooner rather than later.
 

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I sent an email to Wyden explaining that even though I am a conservative, I hugely respect and support his position on the matter and encouraged him to work to kill the bill. I suggest everyone do the same:

http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm

For the TLDR people: you have to be Wyden's constituent (an Oregonian) to send your opinion. Otherwise, contact your Senator (Sen. Feinstein for me).
 

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Surely they will only have power in the US. So people using google.co.uk/ca/de/fr etc (all in english) with non paid off DNSs, will still have access to the free advertizing for the music industry that causes increases in sales?
 

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Alright, let me send a letter to...
Saxby Chambliss?!

god damnit. god damnit so much.
 

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Is there a list of senators who actually voted to send this law to the floor? I'd be *very* interested to know who thought this was a good idea, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
 

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While I don't like the lack of (IMO) due process, or believe all the BS that industry spews about piracy, at the end of the day it is still a huge issue and something needs to be done. Currently it's like walking into a Macy's, finding something you like, then walking right outside into the mall proper and getting that item for free.

No it isn't all lost sales but you have to be pretty damn naive to think that there aren't people out there who are stealing, pure and simple. And as PC gamers this absolutely DOES effect us. I won't lie, I was a pirate as a teen, cracking the Quake shareware disc...(hopefully that admission is past the statute of limitations! :D ), but now as an adult I see how that is only shooting myself in the foot. If I want premiere, well done games, I need to make sure that studios get paid a premiere price. And yes I know that in many cases they can be quite profitable.

But if I have to work 2x as hard to get 10% higher sales, or try to lock up the jackasses stealing 10-15% of my product, what route will I take? Easy.
 

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To citizens of the beautiful U.S.A. - ABANDON SHIP!!!

Legislation is going to kill us. Looking forward to when we get some tech-savvy politicians in 40 years. Maybe uncorrupted in 60 years? X_X

uncorrupted politicians? HA! That'll be the day!
 

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Suddenly politicians like Ron Paul with their "hands off the internet" campaign aren't looking so bad for 2012 after all. Unfortunately, repealing a law is a heck of a lot harder than preventing it from being born, so I can only pray that the big government nanny state Democrats and police state Republicans are booted out in place of more liberty appreciating moderates sooner rather than later.

Amen to this, 100%. Enough of extremists on both sides of the isle. We need some moderates who don't have their hands in the pockets of all of these special interest groups...Good luck on that one unfortunately :(
 

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Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Al Franken . . . . anyone else see a connection here, all 3 have at one point or another stated that we are too "free" with our freedoms. This is an absolute atrocity, and an infringement of our freedoms and civil liberty's!

This is nothing more than company's like the NFL, movie studios, and television providers, using politicians to continue there monopoly's and in the case of the NFL continue local black outs if they don't sell 98% of the tickets!
 

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While I don't like the lack of (IMO) due process, or believe all the BS that industry spews about piracy, at the end of the day it is still a huge issue and something needs to be done. Currently it's like walking into a Macy's, finding something you like, then walking right outside into the mall proper and getting that item for free.

No it isn't all lost sales but you have to be pretty damn naive to think that there aren't people out there who are stealing, pure and simple. And as PC gamers this absolutely DOES effect us. I won't lie, I was a pirate as a teen, cracking the Quake shareware disc...(hopefully that admission is past the statute of limitations! :D ), but now as an adult I see how that is only shooting myself in the foot. If I want premiere, well done games, I need to make sure that studios get paid a premiere price. And yes I know that in many cases they can be quite profitable.

But if I have to work 2x as hard to get 10% higher sales, or try to lock up the jackasses stealing 10-15% of my product, what route will I take? Easy.

Let me warn you that trying to discuss this issue without making a knee-jerk, end-of-America, tin-foil hat slant will likely be met by people claiming you are a moron who hates the USA, is in bed with the RIAA and just don't "get it." :rolleyes:

This is a much better bill than the last one, which anyone who has actually read the thing can attest to (it ONLY applies to websites whose primary basis is piracy). The fact of the matter is that this bill is probably worthless, considering most of the infringing sites are going to be foreign and beyond jurisdiction. If it is applied to American citizens, so long as they get notice and a hearing, that's all the due process necessary. I would like to see an attorney fee penalty against anyone bringing an action who fails to succeed, as that might help limit people doing this just to antagonize, but no one is prevented from asking for that as a penalty now.
 

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To citizens of the beautiful U.S.A. - ABANDON SHIP!!!

Legislation is going to kill us. Looking forward to when we get some tech-savvy politicians in 40 years. Maybe uncorrupted in 60 years? X_X

Well I guess it is time for me to start building a raft to head for Europe......
Its really sad that the government is no longer "for the people" but just for all the rich cock suckers out there :\
 

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While I don't like the lack of (IMO) due process, or believe all the BS that industry spews about piracy, at the end of the day it is still a huge issue and something needs to be done. Currently it's like walking into a Macy's, finding something you like, then walking right outside into the mall proper and getting that item for free.

No it isn't all lost sales but you have to be pretty damn naive to think that there aren't people out there who are stealing, pure and simple. And as PC gamers this absolutely DOES effect us. I won't lie, I was a pirate as a teen, cracking the Quake shareware disc...(hopefully that admission is past the statute of limitations! :D ), but now as an adult I see how that is only shooting myself in the foot. If I want premiere, well done games, I need to make sure that studios get paid a premiere price. And yes I know that in many cases they can be quite profitable.

But if I have to work 2x as hard to get 10% higher sales, or try to lock up the jackasses stealing 10-15% of my product, what route will I take? Easy.

Great commentary that literally has NOTHING to do with this bullshit legislature that is moving forward. Read this paragraph, then re-read it, then read it one more time. Let it sink in, and then look at this from a non-knee jerk reaction. It is utter insanity.

The bill in question would allow the government—or even private parties in some situations—to quickly disable web domains believed to be involved in breaking copyright or trademark laws. Content industries have backed the measure as a necessary weapon in fighting the increase in online piracy, while critics have said it goes too far and doesn’t provide for proper due process for the owners of targeted websites. The bill would also allow the government to order ad networks and payment processors to stop doing business with “blacklisted” websites, and perhaps most strikingly would order search engines to remove the sites from their results.

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-senator-throws-a-roadblock-in-front-of-anti-piracy-bill/
 

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Sorry for the b2b post, but this statement pretty much sums it up for me.
Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) said:
I understand and agree with the goal of the legislation, to protect intellectual property and combat commerce in counterfeit goods, but I am not willing to muzzle speech and stifle innovation and economic growth to achieve this objective. At the expense of legitimate commerce, PIPA&#8217;s prescription takes an overreaching approach to policing the Internet when a more balanced and targeted approach would be more effective. The collateral damage of this approach is speech, innovation and the very integrity of the Internet.
 

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Interesting, going through the actual bill now and it would appear that it attempts to tell banks that once a domain name is added to the list, it must block payments made to that site similar to the requirements in Reg GG, the online gambling prohibition. What a pain in the ass that will be, another watchlist...that will probably fall under my department, too. Wait, work for me? I'm definitely against this bill now! :D
 

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Does this mean that Apple can now take down Samsung's website?

Can Kodak take down <insert name here> for violations?

This is outrageous - an absolute lack of due process.
 

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Does this mean that Apple can now take down Samsung's website?

Can Kodak take down <insert name here> for violations?

This is outrageous - an absolute lack of due process.

Bait and switch at its best. Seriously, Houdini had nothing on the people that are pushing this as a "anti-piracy" bill. "Look at this hand...it has piracy and all the money lost because of it....what? umm yeah never mind the other hand...that's not important at all...it will be fine...I promise."
 

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Does this mean that Apple can now take down Samsung's website?

Can Kodak take down <insert name here> for violations?

This is outrageous - an absolute lack of due process.

Aren't the majority of all mp3's violations of law? (and until recently jpegs)
 

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Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) is putting a hold on the bill if it reaches the Senate floor.


Sent a letter voicing my respect and backing. hopefully this gets quelled ... and fast. Damn I hate special interests in politics! :mad:
 

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Just like the ill-named Patriot Act has nothing to do with patriotism, the Protect IP Act has nothing to do with preventing piracy, and everything to do with regulatory capture. The hired stooges known popularly as "Congressmen" do the bidding of their corporate masters. Legal, illegal, Constitutional, unconstitutional, these terms no longer have any meaning.

Just read where the campaign contributions come from, and behold the naked corporatist state that the US has become.

http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php
 

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Just like the ill-named Patriot Act has nothing to do with patriotism, the Protect IP Act has nothing to do with preventing piracy, and everything to do with regulatory capture. The hired stooges known popularly as "Congressmen" do the bidding of their corporate masters. Legal, illegal, Constitutional, unconstitutional, these terms no longer have any meaning.

Just read where the campaign contributions come from, and behold the naked corporatist state that the US has become.

http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php

Thanks 1000x for linking that site. It's been added to my bookmarks, next to www.factcheck.org
 

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Suddenly politicians like Ron Paul with their "hands off the internet" campaign aren't looking so bad for 2012 after all. Unfortunately, repealing a law is a heck of a lot harder than preventing it from being born, so I can only pray that the big government nanny state Democrats and police state Republicans are booted out in place of more liberty appreciating moderates sooner rather than later.

Wrong! The last thing we need is a wishy-washy moderate who needs to be convinced that this sort of thing is asinine.

The statists pushing this anti-piracy bill in both parties are cut from the same cloth. What need isn't more statists, it's not more moderates, it's more Americans who recognize that this brand of government intrusion has no place in our society.
 

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Wrong! The last thing we need is a wishy-washy moderate who needs to be convinced that this sort of thing is asinine.

I don't think that I would characterize Ron Paul as a wishy-washy anything. He believes in hands off government so much that he is characterized by opponents as pro-gambling and pro-porn!

“I believe strongly that the internet should not be regulated by the federal government and believes even more strongly that people should be free to engage in the activities they wish, as long as they are willing to take responsibility for their actions.”
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_champions_internet_freedom.htm
 

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Wrong! The last thing we need is a wishy-washy moderate who needs to be convinced that this sort of thing is asinine.

The statists pushing this anti-piracy bill in both parties are cut from the same cloth. What need isn't more statists, it's not more moderates, it's more Americans who recognize that this brand of government intrusion has no place in our society.


Epic fail. Ron Paul is a man with convictions. Your claim that he's wishy-washy has no standing. He's widely known as "Dr. No" to the statist agenda.
 

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Moderates are just people who take conservative positions on some issues and liberal issues on others. They try to ride on top of the fence, often falling over to one side. Those are the ones who need the most lobbying. True conservatives stick to their convictions, and true liberals stick to theirs. Moderates well, I imagine they are more flexible to financial persuasion.
 

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My comment was directed at moderates. I forgot to clip Ron Paul out of the quote.

I actually like Ron Paul for a number of reasons, not the least of which is his desire to audit the Fed.
 

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How does this affect cloud computing (i.e. centralized storage services) like Chrome OS?
 
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