Seagate Accelerates Enterprise Momentum With Two New Flash Products

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    Seagate Technology announced today at the Flash Memory Summit conference two new flash innovations that extend the limits of storage computing performance in enterprise data centers to unprecedented levels. The new products include a 60 terabyte (TB) Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) solid-state-drive (SSD) — the largest SSD ever demonstrated — and the 8TB Nytro® XP7200 NVMe SSD. These two new products represent the high performance end of Seagate’s Enterprise portfolio – a complete ecosystem of HDD, SSD and storage system products designed to help customers manage the deluge of data they face and move the right data where it’s needed fast to meet rapidly evolving business priorities and market demands.

    The 60TB SAS SSD and 8TB Nytro XP7200 NVMe SSD are the newest additions to Seagate’s data center portfolio and are designed to help enterprise IT leaders obtain more value from the rapidly expanding amount of data they must contend with, even under the most demanding application requirements. The 60TB SAS SSD features twice the density and four times the capacity of the next highest-capacity SSD available today — equivalent to the capacity needed to accommodate 400 million photos on a typical social media platform, or 12,000 DVD movies. This single controller architecture also delivers the lowest cost per gigabyte for flash available today.
     
  2. jardows

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    60 TB? Never will fill that. Just like I would never fill a 60 GB drive when they were available around 2003. Or that I would never fill a 60MB drive back in 1991.
     
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    60TB??? I can't wait to see the price on one of those suckers.

    Hopefully they are more reliable than their HDDs.
     
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    The 60TB drives is a proof-of-concept package done specifically for Flash Memory Summit. Its not clear that Seagate actually has commercial plans for it. If they did the market for them is thin (a few very large customers) and its not even clear that SAS-III is a suitable interface for that much data - no need to rate endurance in "drive writes per day" when you might not be able to achieve a drive write in a single day at SAS-III speeds.

    Note that the prior "record holder" drive - Samsung's 15.93TB drive - is now commercial and sells for about ~$10k "street price".

    The Nytro NVMe, OTOH, is quite interesting. A little bit "me to" but similar products to date have come from fly-by-nite fabs or are hopelessly vendor-locked by a big OEM. Nice to see a "real" drive manufacturer playing this space.
     
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    I think they should release this drive, or a 30 TB one to the public, and really ramp up production. Hell, flood the market. If they wanted to put the HD companies out of competition, and this was something they could feasibly do, they should do this. I know I would like 2, and I could fill one right now and use the spinners for backup only. Unfortunately, I think this is still a few years off, but then I remember buying a $2000 2 gig drive... and $640 for a 340 meg one.
     
  6. KazeoHin

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    So now we can have incredibly unreliable SSDs.
     
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    I would love to have several of those 60TB SSD's right now but I know they won't be available to consumers until 2020 at the earliest. I know that dives this massive won't be available to us peasant folk because most people won't be able to fill it. There is a reason why HDD capacity increases with demand instead of getting way ahead of it. There is simply more money to be made in having people continually replace their drives with slightly higher capacity drives than selling them drives they will hardly ever need to replace.
     
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    I am sure most consumers will not afford the price tag of this. I mean even if it is 50 cents per GB (cheap for an enterprise SSD) that is way above what I would invest for home storage..
     
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    You do realize that Seagate is currently the largest of those "HD companies", don't you? Very unlikely that they want to put themselves "out of competition" based on their own choices - they'd be cannibalizing their own future profits.

    Its a perfect example of the innovators dilemma - why disruptive progress rarely flows from established businesses.
     
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    My guess is about $40 thousand US for the 60TB drive.
     
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    I love seagate products, and it is refreshing to see them continuously produce better and better products. Love em!!
     
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    I would love to put two of those in a RAID1 in my primary file server, and then delegate all of my platters to backups. Alternatively... having one of those drives in an external enclosure sitting in my safe deposit box in the bank would be awesome.
     
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    Also, Toshiba at the same show demo'd a working PCIe 100TB Flash device. It is based on their new QLC Flash, and they are saying it could ship as soon as Q1 2017.
     
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    Nice. Now prices need to drop. Lol.
     
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    Flash is the worst cold storage medium one could possible use. You'd have to take it out of the bank and power it on periodically as well as run disk fresh to keep the cells in check. There's a reason tapes are still around.
     
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    I wonder if they have some kind of special controller for this. I read that some companies would buy a lot of 1TB or so SSD's which have direct access to the nand chips and controllers and it is programmed like software raid. So they can hook up hundreds of the suckers and have huge bandwidth as well as total control of the write and read process. So any one requiring such storage would have to also program the device themselves. This is not a mass market product. I also saw that WDC was going to have programed shingled recording so the user had control over it and could decide if they wanted 12TB or 15TB depending on how the drive was used.
     
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    Can you imagine connecting a 60TB or 100TB 2.5" SSD to something like a Raspberry Pi or a small tablet, that would be my dream media player right there. I would love to be able to carry all my music in 16 or 24 bit lossless and all my movie and TV shows in BluRay quality with me wherever I go all on one little device. MP3's and streaming are destroying music. I actually like owning my media and having it local.
     
  18. drescherjm

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    Only when the price of flash is 1/20th of what these would cost. Remember these will cost 10s of thousands of dollars.
     
  19. PigLover

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    That Seagate 60TB drive has an ARM chip inside that is more powerful than the Pi. A much more interesting idea would be to ditch the SAS-3 controller and replace it with an ARM CPU and 10Gbase-T port and then let you load custom software on the CPU.

    ...Wait...Seagate already supports this approach: See Here. Wonder if they have something interesting up there sleeves?