Scientists may have discovered fifth force of nature, laboratory announces

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New evidence supporting the existence of the hypothetic X17 particle


We observed electron-positron pairs from the electro-magnetically forbidden M0 transition depopulating the 21.01 MeV 0− state in 4He. A peak was observed in their e+e− angular correlations at 115∘ with 7.2σ significance, and could be described by assuming the creation and subsequent decay of a light particle with mass of mXc2=16.84±0.16(stat)±0.20(syst) MeV and ΓX= 3.9×10−5 eV. According to the mass, it is likely the same X17 particle, which we recently suggested [Phys. Rev. Lett. 116, 052501 (2016)] for describing the anomaly observed in 8Be.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...i-nuclear-research-force-nature-a9210741.html
 
Hungary has a particle accelerator? :D

But in seriousness, not sure how discovery of a new particle translates to "5th force"

But like all good science, it needs to be independently confirmed before everyone jumps up and down and college book publishers declare a new edition is needed.
 
Them what claim to have done it...
191122150624-01-hungarian-physicists-exlarge-169.jpg

No resemblance whatsoever...
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erek said:
New evidence supporting the existence of the hypothetic X17 particle


We observed electron-positron pairs from the electro-magnetically forbidden M0 transition depopulating the 21.01 MeV 0− state in 4He. A peak was observed in their e+e− angular correlations at 115∘ with 7.2σ significance, and could be described by assuming the creation and subsequent decay of a light particle with mass of mXc2=16.84±0.16(stat)±0.20(syst) MeV and ΓX= 3.9×10−5 eV. According to the mass, it is likely the same X17 particle, which we recently suggested [Phys. Rev. Lett. 116, 052501 (2016)] for describing the anomaly observed in 8Be.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...i-nuclear-research-force-nature-a9210741.html
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English motherf***er! Do you speak it?!
 
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-plot-thickens-hypothetical-x17-particle.html

So, the dude's name is Atilla. And he's from Hungary. Go figure...



Recorded at Castle Greyskull, Merseyside.

http://fourcolorshadows.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-man-who-shrunk-world-jack.html

As-if we needed more evidence. Our shrunken doom seems nigh.



Of course dismisses the whole point of relativity to assume shrinking means
the speed of light must change. Therefore our shrinking is provably untrue.
Had it right till he fell off the rails there...

Shrinking vs expanding are relative to whatever viewpoint assumed constant.
Every yardstck everywhere everywhen measures light speed as a constant.
Currently smaller scientists with smaller yardsticks observe old light shift red.

The human ego's inability to accept its junk shrinking is psyco, not physics.
 
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sfsuphysics said:
Hungary has a particle accelerator? :D

But in seriousness, not sure how discovery of a new particle translates to "5th force"

But like all good science, it needs to be independently confirmed before everyone jumps up and down and college book publishers declare a new edition is needed.
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The new particle would be a gauge boson, which is a force carrying particle. New gauge boson = new unknown force (maybe?)
 
How we know this boson represents a new force and not just a heavier version of something familiar?
Not by heavier suggesting mass, but who knows? Perhaps just a higher energy massless analogue.
Like, at least three different weights of electrons have been measured. None represent a "new" type
of charge.

Way too early to be claiming a 5th force. Emptymollygiest fools claiming bugs on Mars, etc, etc, ect.
I can make up better science fiction than some of the conclusions professionals have been drawing.
Trust verified measurements, yet have the temerity to question where it all becomes storytelling.
 
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Two different types, XX and XY particles. XX particles have the interesting property that regardless if something is right, it will be wrong in the eyes of the XX particle.
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There are several forms of XX, and unfortunately, it seems like many XYs have an attraction to form a bond with the most unstable XX ions. Some XXs bond readily with little activation energy required of the XY particle, which would explain the prevalence of such a bond in natural statistics. Unfortunately, this bond is a transitory state, and inherently unstable. Upon breakage, energy is released, usually in the form of keyed cars, weird notes, boiled rabbits, and in the most extreme cases - spooky action at a distance with Lawyer particles.

The more stable XX particles feel sorry for these XY's moth-to-a-flame behavior, but would put forth there are many isotopes in the sea.
 
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erek said:
New evidence supporting the existence of the hypothetic X17 particle


We observed electron-positron pairs from the electro-magnetically forbidden M0 transition depopulating the 21.01 MeV 0− state in 4He. A peak was observed in their e+e− angular correlations at 115∘ with 7.2σ significance, and could be described by assuming the creation and subsequent decay of a light particle with mass of mXc2=16.84±0.16(stat)±0.20(syst) MeV and ΓX= 3.9×10−5 eV. According to the mass, it is likely the same X17 particle, which we recently suggested [Phys. Rev. Lett. 116, 052501 (2016)] for describing the anomaly observed in 8Be.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...i-nuclear-research-force-nature-a9210741.html
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You mean they figured out women after all? :D
 
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sfsuphysics said:
Hungary has a particle accelerator? :D

But in seriousness, not sure how discovery of a new particle translates to "5th force"

But like all good science, it needs to be independently confirmed before everyone jumps up and down and college book publishers declare a new edition is needed.
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Particle accelerators are shared between countries for research and there are plenty in the EU where Hungary belongs.
 
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