Say Goodbye to These Windows 10 Features in the Fall Creators Update

[odditory]

File History replaces the older Backup and Restore panel and has better functionality.

Too bad they're probably removing that too.

 

[odditory]

I'm not one to freak out much about Win10 stuff, at least I try not to, but it does seam that MS is going nuts.

Definitely seems to be an alarming pattern of removing useful features more than they're really adding any.

 

[dark_reign]

If you need a good Paint replacement, Paint.NET, https://www.getpaint.net/

Yep, been using it for years. It's free, supports plugins and is lightweight.

 

[Krenum]

Gimp is also pretty good. Krita is a Adobe Photoshop alternative & its free.

 

[Staples]

I use the system image backup but I guess I can use Acronis or the less user friendly Clonezilla.

I want them to fix bitlocker. I use it and it is great and all but why in the world am I not able to lock a volume without restarting Windows? It is ridiculous.

 

[dethklokworkorange]

LOL.

See, without Paint, you couldn't have brought that gem into the world.

 

[ir0nw0lf]

They are (finally) removing some legacy code of Outlook Express? How is this just now happening?

 

[nilepez]

They're removing Paint?!?!?!?

It's deprecated, not removed and they appear to have a new app called Paint 3D. I have photoshop, but for simple stuff, i often use Paint, because it loads faster.

 

[MrGuvernment]

Lol how dumb can Microsoft be. Only the clueless ones leave the telemetry on - so now they only see what the 80 year old grannies use when surfing the net.

So 99% of the general population who are using Windows 10 then...

"Lol how dumb could you be.. Only people on [H] and the like know how to disable that stuff" - which in turn is a VERY VERY small % of windows users.

 

[lollerwaffle]

I like Paint as well. Time to get away from a built-in app to yet another 3rd party.

Stupid move on MS part.

 

[Trimlock]

*sky is falling pic*

 

[MaZa]

who actually uses a screensaver these days? Having just gone and looked at what's there its no loss anyway. The included ones are crap.

People who use OLED screens or any screen that can burn-in. This is really bad move from M$ if they remove it. Now, power settings already ability to turn off monitor after certain period but it is laggy. Screensaver turns off instantly the moment you touch your mouse.

 

[Master_shake_]

windows 7 still has all it's apps. just saying.

 

[Brian_B]

Time to find my old copy of After Dark

https://www.bryanbraun.com/after-dark-css/all/flying-toasters.html

 

[nilepez]

People who use OLED screens or any screen that can burn-in. This is really bad move from M$ if they remove it. Now, power settings already ability to turn off monitor after certain period but it is laggy. Screensaver turns off instantly the moment you touch your mouse.

Assuming you turn your monitor off after, for example, 5 minutes of idle, why OLED need it? I know the only time i've used a screen saver is at work and I used it, because I didn't pay for the power to run the monitor. At home, it's off within 10 minutes (though Ithink it's set to 5 right now and has been as low as 2).

 

[triwolf]

More like he wanted to get rid of an unruly customer off his chat screwing over his avg customer satisfaction time. triwolf.

I'd rather be in hell for eternity than have to work one of their jobs, so yeah. You are probably right. Because it sure isn't actually about their job as a Customer SERVICE Representative. Go study logic.

 

[Merc1138]

People who use OLED screens or any screen that can burn-in. This is really bad move from M$ if they remove it. Now, power settings already ability to turn off monitor after certain period but it is laggy. Screensaver turns off instantly the moment you touch your mouse.

Or you could just... you know... turn the monitor off if the computer is actually idle and no one is there using it.

If it's idle and you need something constantly displayed, an OLED is a bad idea. If it's idle and you don't need to see what's on the screen and can just have flying toasters going past, then just turn it off. Complaining that it's "laggy" for the monitor to come back on(which can take a second or two) after you've left a computer sitting idle is just silly, since it obviously wasn't some mission critical display that needed to be monitored anyway.

 

[Derangel]

I'd rather be in hell for eternity than have to work one of their jobs, so yeah. You are probably right. Because it sure isn't actually about their job as a Customer SERVICE Representative. Go study logic.

Their job is to assist people having TECHNICAL issues with Windows and other MS products. Not listen to some jerk rant just so they can go and virtue signal about it.

 

[GreenOrbs]

Not happy at all. I use paint, the screensaver with a blank screen, and system images for backup. Yes, 3D paint , the screen off power settings, and file history exist but they don't offer the same functionality.

 

[d3athf1sh]

I'm definitely not on MS' side, we just have different ways of solving problems. I suggest finding the right people to speak you mind to, speaking your mind to a wall will get you just as far as what you're doing now. Support has no control over the shit you're complaining about, and there's no way in hell it makes it that far up the ladder. If you honestly think there's a chance of your voice being heard through a support line of all places, you need to dial back that ego. Support wont think your idea or suggestion is special, just chock you up to another pissed off customer.

enough pissed off customers can make a difference. hey, we got the start menu back. whats the other option? bend over and take it?

 

[Trimlock]

My god, they haven't canned it yet and it's not like paint 3d isn't still there.

 

[d3athf1sh]

windows 7 still has all it's apps. just saying.

until they gimp it to make it unusable kinda like xp. have you tried to install and update xp lately?

 

[Derangel]

enough pissed off customers can make a difference. hey, we got the start menu back. whats the other option? bend over and take it?

Sure, that can help but that takes doing stuff like people do here and other forms and also takes giving MS a monetary reason to make these changes. Bitching at CSRs solves nothing except make some underpaid, overworked, person's day even worse. MS changed a lot in 8.1 and 10 in response to 8 not doing well as well as their tablet focus with the OS not really paying off. With the slow growth of 10 hopefully, at some point, MS will take a look at that and make some changes to try and fix it. Though I have doubts about that. The modern MS seems rather stubborn about things, more so then old MS that would pivot from errors even if it never actually learned from them.

 

[Delicieuxz]

Paint 3D does the job just plain and simply better than Paint. There's no reason to keep the old one around.

I just checked out Paint 3D, and it appears to be missing most of Paint's selection tools, and canvass resizing and rotation. Also, its UI is much more convoluted and cumbersome that Paint's.

People who use OLED screens or any screen that can burn-in. This is really bad move from M$ if they remove it. Now, power settings already ability to turn off monitor after certain period but it is laggy. Screensaver turns off instantly the moment you touch your mouse.

From the Fall Update notes:

"Screen saver functionality in Themes

To be disabled in Themes (classified as "Removed" in this table). Screen saver functionality in Group Policies, Control Panel, and Sysprep is now deprecated but continues to be functional. Lockscreen features and policies are preferred."

It sounds to me like screensavers will still work.

 

[BulletDust]

Removing SIB is a Gawd damn joke.

Jamb it up your arse MS.

 

[BulletDust]

I have a linux server that I use for my security system, file sharing, plex server etc... It only takes me about 5 hours to google how to do the most basic stuff on linux but once you get it working it's rock solid and works without human intervention forever.

I have also tried their "end user" distributions like Linux Mint and it's so bad compared to Windows that it's laughable.

And all because you're so brainwashed regarding the Windows way of doing things that you can't really use anything else. How about blaming yourself instead of the OS [gasp! I said it!]

 

[SmokeRngs]

And all because you're so brainwashed regarding the Windows way of doing things that you can't really use anything else. How about blaming yourself instead of the OS [gasp! I said it!]

What I think every time I see a comment like the one you quoted is that what would happen if the person had grown up with Linux and used nothing else and someone drops a copy of Windows in front of the person and then told to setup a system using Windows.

The only real reason people say Windows is "easy" and just about every other OS is "hard" is because they only know Windows. It's not because something else is necessarily difficult but more likely just because it's unfamiliar.

 

[BulletDust]

What I think every time I see a comment like the one you quoted is that what would happen if the person had grown up with Linux and used nothing else and someone drops a copy of Windows in front of the person and then told to setup a system using Windows.

The only real reason people say Windows is "easy" and just about every other OS is "hard" is because they only know Windows. It's not because something else is necessarily difficult but more likely just because it's unfamiliar.

Totally agreed. There's nothing hard about Linux, it's simply different.

 

[M76]

And the circle jerk of pissing people off continues. Everyone uses paint, that includes me as well.

 

[M76]

Totally agreed. There's nothing hard about Linux, it's simply different.

If you do something more than basic usage, it immediately becomes a mess of editing config files and setting up packages and installing dependencies. Then nothing is easy about linux.

 

[BulletDust]

If you do something more than basic usage, it immediately becomes a mess of editing config files and setting up packages and installing dependencies. Then nothing is easy about linux.

Windows also suffers from dependency issues from time, ie: .NET. I've never had any dependency issues and I have a ton of PPA's added to my install (70 to be exact). Furthermore, editing config files (a fairly rare procedure) is a lot easier and safer than editing the registry?

Modern Linux is, in my experience on a large number of machines, very robust. Having said that, this isn't really the place for such discussion.

 

[duronboy]

I don't like Linux because is it absolutely not newb friendly. There aren't enough guides, especially videos. This is changing. I like videos because most of the time I can see exactly wtf is going on. Some forum posts or written guides assume I have ANY knowledge about Linux. There are far more stupid people using Windows, mainly because there are far more people using it. Finding dozens of guides, in any format, for any task, for any version of Windows is practically a given.

 

[BulletDust]

I don't like Linux because is it absolutely not newb friendly. There aren't enough guides, especially videos. This is changing. I like videos because most of the time I can see exactly wtf is going on. Some forum posts or written guides assume I have ANY knowledge about Linux. There are far more stupid people using Windows, mainly because there are far more people using it. Finding dozens of guides, in any format, for any task, for any version of Windows is practically a given.

It's just that you're not used to it. As stated by SmokeRings, if all you ever used was Linux and suddenly had Windows dumped in front of you, you'd be saying the exact same thing.

[EDIT] I hate trying to follow video's as I constantly have to keep pausing the video while I apply what I'm watching - I find a good guide far better and there are plenty available for popular distro's such as Ubuntu.

 

[duronboy]

you'd be saying the exact same thing.

I wish that's all it was, but I really don't think so. Because like I said, with Windows, it's a lot easier to find guides that provide the level of hand-holding new users like me need. Linux is very fragmented in many ways. There are far fewer end-user types. Basic tasks seem to have a lot more steps and require remembering freaking text commands.

 

[BulletDust]

I wish that's all it was, but I really don't think so. Because like I said, with Windows, it's a lot easier to find guides that provide the level of hand-holding new users like me need. Linux is very fragmented in many ways. There are far fewer end-user types. Basic tasks seem to have a lot more steps and require remembering freaking text commands.

I use Linux, macOS and Windows and Linux isn't that bad at all. The fragmentation isn't an issue, you just pick a distro you like and stick with it and I've always been able to find guides resolving my issues just as easily as a guide for any other OS.

I use the terminal to install software using apt, a procedure that I now wouldn't swap for the world it's that straightforward. Apart from that I literally have no need to use the terminal except to ssh into my server. I use the terminal almost as much under macOS.

It's all just a matter of familiarisation. But enough of such talk and back to the discussion at hand.

 

[Jim Kim]

Go study logic.

Sure, right after you study critical thinking and common sense.

 

[M76]

Windows also suffers from dependency issues from time, ie: .NET. I've never had any dependency issues and I have a ton of PPA's added to my install (70 to be exact). Furthermore, editing config files (a fairly rare procedure) is a lot easier and safer than editing the registry?

In my experience windows programs install their own dependencies, you don't have to look for them manually. And why would it be easier and safer to edit config files than editing a setting in a structured system?

Modern Linux is, in my experience on a large number of machines, very robust. Having said that, this isn't really the place for such discussion.

Yes, for basic ice cream work. Linux has greatly improved in the past say 10 years, but it's still less user friendly if you have to go under the hood. And while linux took 10 steps forward windows took 3 steps back, but it's still easier to be an advanced windows user.

 

[BulletDust]

In my experience windows programs install their own dependencies, you don't have to look for them manually. And why would it be easier and safer to edit config files than editing a setting in a structured system?

The installer installs the required dependacies, just like Linux. The amount of times I've manually installed dependacies for both Windows and Linux I could count with a couple of fingers and a lot of the stories you hear of Linux are from many, many years ago. Linux has plain text files, Windows has a registry: Personally I by far prefer the Linux way of doing things.

I'm not interested in argueing the merits of Windows vs Linux in this thread. I don't need to convince people to seriously consider Linux, Microsoft are doing a good enough job of that all by themselves.

 

[Shintai]

And the circle jerk of pissing people off continues. Everyone uses paint, that includes me as well.

Paint isn't removed. But its no longer being developed on.

 

[M76]

Paint isn't removed. But its no longer being developed on.

Let's rely on something that "might be removed in future updates"