Samsung to Ship World's First 8K TV Oct. 28

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  1. Megalith

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    Never mind the utter lack of native 8K content: those with $15,000 to spare can purchase Samsung’s 85-inch QLED 8K Q900TV by the tail end of this month. The set features a 7,680 x 4,320 panel capable of 4,000 nits of brightness and upscaling aided with artificial intelligence (AI) processing.

    The Q900FN, which S&V’s Tom Norton said “looked stunning” in CEDIA demos, features an enhanced version of Samsung’s LCD-based QLED technology. The Q in QLED stands for quantum dot, a backlight technology that uses a more precise method to generate the red, green, and blue light that makes up a video image than the process typically used in standard LCD displays.
     
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  2. vegeta535

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    $15k for 85" 8k TV doesn't seem that unreasonable.
     
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    anyone have a dozen display port cables lying around?
     
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    The product page is vague as to what version of HDMI it will be using. https://www.samsung.com/us/televisi...r-qled-smart-8k-uhd-tv--2018--qn85q900rafxza/

    An article from last month states that it doesn't have the capability to accept a true 8k source. But, there's a planned hardware upgrade to HDMI 2.1 once it's available. https://www.soundandvision.com/content/samsung-and-8k

    Hopefully this means HDMI 2.1 is on the near horizon. And then we can finally get an idea as to when it will be more widely implemented.
     
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    I was an early adopter for 1080(i) not P .... before you could really get the programing. A very expensive Sony Wega TV, Flat screen tube, 36" that cost me around $1,500 and weighed just as much as a small car haha. Guess how much programing I watched on it before I sold it? NONE ...... NONE ...... and NONE.

    Oh and que all the tech-idiots that will spend ( waste their time ) telling all of us how the human eye cannot even see 8K ... I love those clowns.

    I'm 50, my eye-sight is aging and I can still distinguish 4K content 10 yards away from 1080p content ... anyday
     
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    I near your age. I need companies to start using the higher resolution to make really freaking big fonts that I can read from my couch. Good luck with me reading Netflix or similar the way it is now. Guess I need my eyes checked...
     
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  7. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    Love it and agree. Bring on 8K... and bring more 85” options. We need bigger sets. I can easily resolve 2160p vs 1080p @ 10ft on my 75.
    At a minimum, these will be great for upscaling 2160p UHD content for a few years while things mature.
    Gaming? Gonna be a while.
     
  8. lostin3d

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    Someone will buy it but not me, and my wife will tell you that new display tech is a big weakness of mine. I like the idea but reality has a number of issues:

    1. HDR mess. We've got 3 versions now and possibly more on the way. Who knows what mess they'll make for that. Really could use some standardization here. I've also heard rumors of things in the work for 8k.
    2. Streaming 8k-bad joke. Streaming 4k is only a marginal uptick from 1080p disc and even then it's debatable.
    3. Ports. Despite manufacturer specs claiming what DP1.4 or HDMI 2.0b can do, once you throw DolbyVIsion, 60+fps, 4:4:4 color at 8bit or 10bit neither standard can keep up. HDMI 2.1 looks impressive but depending on how many other features they pack into the stream that could get saturated pretty quickly too.
    4. GPU's-I saw a couple youtube vids last year of people testing 1080TI's in SLI in 8k. For some games they managed 30+fps and Vram did become an issue. It was pretty amusing. Those lucky few that can afford a couple RTX2080TI's might achieve 60fps but then again the ports become an issue and 11GB for 8k isn't likely to be enough.
    5. Price. The usual. Have to give it 2-3 years to drop to something more affordable.
     
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    If I had it I wouldnt be worried about streaming 8k. Wouldnt be a thought. Just bring on the 8k players.

    Oled in 85" would be a strong selling point for me hehe.. toss in 8k. Yeah sweet.

    Wasn't it just 2 years ago there was a 20k 75" oled?
     
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    8K? Apparently my eyeballs are due for an upgrade. They're only v1.0, however it was a long development process.
     
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    Not buying anything until HDMI 2.1 is official and been on the market for awhile.... possibly a year or so.
     
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    8k = 16x 1080p @ 60fps, or 4 x 4k @ 60fps

    Based on our current 40% bump per 2 year generation cycles that would take roughly. . .18 years, and that's only factoring in the current complexity of games. As they become more realistic, detailed, ai driven, ect, fps gains won't scale linearly.

    So yeah, 8k is a doozy.
     
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    I have a nice Samsung 4K that was top of the line maybe a year ago, it's great and all.

    The thing that pops out in my my mind, it does 1000 nits of brightness for it's HDR, and that shit is *bright* almost uncomfortably so if you are watching it at night.

    I don't see how or why 4000 nits would be desirable in any way, unless you are buying it specifically to watch TV outside in the sun.

    If I was going to spend an absolute insane/stupid amount on a TV, I'd rather go for the LG Wallpaper TV that's *only* $19k and half the thickness of a pencil with it's OLED goodness.
     
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    Think I will hold off until 16K.
     
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    Haha

    By that time people will be holding off waiting for the hologram.
     
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    at 85 inches, this is freaking PERFECT for a massive desktop screen.... IF it accepts a native 8K input.
     
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    You guys are forgetting that the emphasis lies on upscaling content to 8K, the drawback for many has been already mentioned unless Samsung promises HDMI 2.1 the knowledgeable people will stay away from this TV for that reason alone.

    Btw HDR is not a mess that there 3 different implementation is also not true Dolby Vision and HDR10+ have a fall back mode in them to HDR10.
    It is more interpretation of how HDR should look rather then an uncontrollable incompatible mess.

    I could have sworn that I saw EU prices for this 8K 65 inch version about 700 Euro higher then what their previous launch model costed (4300 and now 5000)
     
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    Are you two sure?
    https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/...vlink-8k-60fps-gaming-now-reality/index7.html

    Nearly 60 fps with SLI 2080Ti at 8k in a lot of games. Next-gen SLI Ti will definitely run everything at about 75-100 fps in 8k.
     
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    Sweet, so it can look even more fucking pixelated than the normal 720p upscaled to 4k. Amazing!
     
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  20. JStamsek

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    I want to hook up a VCR to it.
     
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    You would need something as a scart to HDMI converter ?
     
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    I disagree about the streaming. 1080p Blu-ray shits over 4k steams. Most of the 4k streams are such so bit rate Imand look really pixiled with fast moving screens. 4k Blu-ray is glorious.
     
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    Look at the minimums - in the toilet. Most in the 20s. Does not make for smooth gameplay. Most of those aren’t anywhere near 60FPS.
    At least a gen or 2 away for solid 60FPS SLi 8K, more for single card 8K. Let’s hope 7nm offers a massive jump.
     
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    I totally agree with you. I didn't clearly state what I meant on that. Another point of 1080p disc vs 4k stream is color depth. When we watch 1080p with 4:4:4 36bit(deep color) on our 4k t.v.s it can actually rival some 4k discs and totally pummel 4k streams. We do watch 4k strerams on Prime/Netflix whenever it's an option for things we don't have on either kind of disc. There were a few moments in Altered Carbon I could see some improvements, and also Blue/Planet Earth 2. Overall, though, the compression and codecs they're using for 4k streaming fall to pieces with motion. Strangely enough, with some searching, there seems to be better 4k streams on youtube. Both Kyle and the guy at GN have some great 4k streams, there's a few nature/travel ones too but it does take some searching to find the quality ones.

    Mostly agree with you on 4k disk. If it comes from a digital source and is 4k or higher DI it is truly amazing. If it's film sourced 4k or higher DI then the mastering process really makes or breaks it. We've got some film transfers with a major wow factor and others where the grain has become major digital noise. This too could become a major issue in 8k.
     
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  25. Armenius

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    It can't, at least now. Supposedly there will be an upgrade available next year for HDMI 2.1. The only interface that supports 8K right now is DisplayPort 1.4 and this TV doesn't have any DP inputs.
     
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    LOL, now that the RTX cards can crank out 60fps in 4K it's time for TV manufacturers to start selling semi-affordable 8K sets.
    Plus, it's almost time for them to try and sell us our favorite movies again.
     
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    If you had a PC hooked up to that thing, I'm sure you spent some time with Powerstrip! I spent many many man hours just getting my 1080i/540p desktop to look right on my HD Mits RPTV... forget about games.

    This thing... I don't even know what the max rez is on displayport which this doesn't even have. HDMI 2.1 might do it, but it doesn't exist yet... soooo.... yeah.
     
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    Oh man, a blast from the past. It totally forgot about powerstip! Awesome program back in the day. Come to think of it, I guess I musta just suddenly stopped using it. It's been years so much so the name also left my memory.
     
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    Well yeah, no one needs it any more. Between AMD/ATI and Nvidia both doing custom resolutions and the adoption of digital standards... I don't think I've touched Powerstrip since 2008. But it was a necessary evil back in the day to get the frequencies and overscan under control.
     
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    AA/Motion blur turned off on all those titles. Other options tweaked for performance in some titles ect.

    I can play minecraft in 8k so it must be true though!

    Regardless, we've been locked into this generation of graphics for around 4-5 years, so essentially we're running these cards against last gen game tech and upscaling 1080p content. A gtx 970 can still play almost every game maxed out 60fps at 1080p. Even new titles like far cry 5.

    Have a developer establish 8k textures for everything in the game, which would probably clock in around 500+ gb for the game install, and you'll see real 8k gaming. Until then, you're just throwing around console jargon up-scaling old tech to sell a product. We want game developers to design for tomorrow, not yesterday and today.
     
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    Well I agree with most you say, but still, 8k is doable with today's games.
     
  32. Armenius

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    DisplayPort 1.4 can do full RGB 8K at 30 Hz, 60 Hz with DSC, up to 144 Hz with both DSC and 4:2:0 subsampling. HDMI 2.0 can supposedly do 8K at 30 Hz with 4:2:0 subsampling.
     
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    Define “doable”. Slideshow? Yes.
     
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    If you like it jittery, yeah, or settings turned down.
     
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    Can it display Crysis in 8K?

    then fuck'em
     
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    In all seriousness, this bullshit that Samsung, JVC, and LG talking about it's about the upscaling chip inside to make 8K useful is just that. The 65" OLED I bought my mother is absolutely stunning in 4K sources from UHD to Netflix 4K HDR. But upscale regular cable programming still looks like garbage at times. Even with the upscaling Xfinity 4K box out, it didn't look good at all on her OLED. Now Sony gets their OLED panels like LG from LG Display. Their upscaling chip is phenomenal compared to the LG one. Sony just does their own enhancements better. Sony Extreme chip is a different animal. When they come out with their 8K upscaler, the other manufactures should run to them.

    JVC has the e-shift 8K projector coming out next month for $17,999. If money was no object and after seeing the JVC, I would rather spend my money on 120"+ screen then just a 85" TV for 15K. Samsung getting that money grab early. Oh and don't forget, that HDMI 2.1 breakout box you going to have to order for that TV. Did that shit with 4K when it first came out. Sometimes you don't just have to be first Samsung. CES is going to bring 88" 8K OLED from LG and Sony too.
     
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    How is 50-60 fps a slideshow?
    I game all the time at 4k/60hz. Even Witcher 3 maxed out is at about 50 fps average, goes both up and down and I have no problems playing it.
    You people spoiled with 144+hz screens? I myself would rather choose higher resolution and 60hz than lower resolution and 144hz. I play those types of games and do not need fast screens.
     
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  38. Brahmzy

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    WTH are you talking about?
     
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    There, I edited my post and changed "gave" into "game". Do you understand my english now?
     
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    Do you need me to hold your hand concerning context and reading comprehension? We’re talking about 8K60 and you’re talking about how you can’t even play 4K60, yet you’re the one shouting that we can play 8K60 all day.
    You make no sense.
     
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