Samsung Starts Mass Production of 5th Generation V-NAND

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  1. cageymaru

    cageymaru [H]ard|News

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    Samsung has started the mass production of the 5th generation of V-NAND technology and is boasting of being the first to use the 'Toggle DDR 4.0' interface. The performance boost from the technology should allow Samsung’s new 256-gigabit (Gb) V-NAND to reach 1.4-gigabits per second (Gbps), a 40-percent increase from its 64-layer predecessor. The new V-NAND also boasts of a 30% improvement in write speed. Expect to see new product releases in the supercomputing, enterprise server, and mobile sectors in the coming months.

    The energy efficiency of Samsung’s new V-NAND remains comparable to that of the 64-layer chip, primarily because the operating voltage has been reduced from 1.8 volts to 1.2 volts. The new V-NAND also has the fastest data write speed to date at 500-microseconds (ms), which represents about a 30-percent improvement over the write speed of the previous generation, while the response time to read-signals has been significantly reduced to 50ms.
     
  2. pcgeekesq

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    So what's Samsung's next line of 5th-gen-Flash-based SSDs going to be called? 1060 Pro and 1060 Evo?
    I'm looking forward to finding out. :)
     
  3. Elf_Boy

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    When can I shove some in a system I own? :)
     
  4. Galvin

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    This means prices come down?
     
  5. drescherjm

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    Did they fix the yield problems??
     
  6. Dew

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    cageymaru
    Not sure what happened there, but ms = millisecond. The source is correct in its use of μs for microsecond.
     
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  7. cageymaru

    cageymaru [H]ard|News

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    Unfortunately the editor doesn't recognize μs for microsecond, so it comes out as broken code. So we decided to sneak in ms and hope that you'll wouldn't catch it.

    Secretly I knew you'll would. You guys have eagle eyes. :)

    Shuush don't tell anyone the secret. :)
     
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  9. MickeyBailey

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    Somewhat, yes

    The problem was with 64L and the recent report stated they halted expansion of 64L due to problems and decided to simply move forward with 96L.
     
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    "Packed inside Samsung’s fifth-generation V-NAND are more than 90 layers of ‘3D charge trap flash (CTF) cells,’ the largest amount in the industry, stacked in a pyramid structure with microscopic channel holes vertically drilled throughout. These channel holes, which are only a few hundred-nanometers (nm)-wide, contain more than 85 billion CTF cells that can store three bits of data each. This state-of-the-art memory fabrication is the result of several breakthroughs that include advanced circuit designs and new process technologies."

    wow, simply wow. Channels only a few hundred-nanometers (nm)-wide, etc. Does this stuff still numb anyone else's brain, or is it just me?
     
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    It will be good when a 1TB SSD is under $170 commonly.
     
  12. Flogger23m

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    Does this mean the 1TB MX500 I just paid $185 or so for is going to be a bad deal? Honestly didn't need it but I had $55 in ebay bucks, so it came to $133.20 or so.

    Any chance the prices will go up in Q4 2018? :p
     
  13. MickeyBailey

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    Prices will continue to drop as more production is shifted to 64L and now 96L. Samsung seems to have a lot of performance increases built into their next generation so the price drop might be very small as they’ll charge a premium.

    96L QLC is what I’m excited about for bulk storage, should be about a 40%+ reduction in cost from current prices.
     
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    Logically then a 870 Evo/Pro will be coming soon?
    The SATAIII bus is already saturated but better endurance, lower price is a win.
     
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    I need a pcie card with room for more then 1 nvme that doesn't require selling a kidney or blowing 1000s of fat ugly guys.