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Samsung SA850 on PLS - the first review has been published (preproduction unit)

Damn, I don't know whether to pull the trigger or wait...
 
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Wait til tomorrow night or Thursday, Topaz. I'll post a brief, non-OCD, real world use user's review (not calling the previous reviewer OCD or anything...that bleed was bad).
 
Will the USB 3.0 ports on the monitor be able to sustain the same high bandwidth/power as when you connect a usb3.0 flash drive directly into the mobo ?

EDIT: even though the 24inch is 6bit. The website says the monitor covers 100% of sRGB unlike Dell 2412m which only covers like 82% so it must be better at colour reproduction than dell right?
 
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jinny1 said:
EDIT: even though the 24inch is 6bit. The website says the monitor covers 100% of sRGB unlike Dell 2412m which only covers like 82% so it must be better at colour reproduction than dell right?
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I believe the 24" monitor may actually be 8 bit (10 bit effective). The German specs said 6 bit+2 bit FRC, but I actually remember seeing the original Korean spec sheet somewhere and it said "8 bit+FRC". It may be a misinterpretation on part of the translator, or I myself may be misinterpreting what the original specs mean, but at this price point I really don't think that it's a 6-bit panel.

And I think the 82% on the Dell site is supposed to be the AdobeRGB colorspace, not sRGB.
 
My 24" A850 is arriving from Buy.com today. Barring any unforeseen setbacks, as soon as I get it set up I will provide my thoughts, either tonight or tomorrow.
 
Mine just arrived.

Absolutely 0 backlight bleeding. None. Nada. As in, best monitor I've ever had with regard to backlight bleeding.

After the previous review, I am absolutely floored and surprised. I'm in a well-lit room, so maybe that serves to hide bleeding, but I don't see it at all. I'll take a picture of it tonight (to minimize the matte reflection).

So glad I waited for this instead of going with the dell or ACD. No grain, no glare, perfect uniformity.
 
Ocardowin said:
Mine just arrived.

Absolutely 0 backlight bleeding. None. Nada. As in, best monitor I've ever had with regard to backlight bleeding.

After the previous review, I am absolutely floored and surprised. I'm in a well-lit room, so maybe that serves to hide bleeding, but I don't see it at all. I'll take a picture of it tonight (to minimize the matte reflection).

So glad I waited for this instead of going with the dell or ACD. No grain, no glare, perfect uniformity.
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Ocardowin... where did you order from? Where do you live? Maybe there is a bad batch floating around somewhere?
 
Ocardowin said:
Ordered from Provantage. Live in New Jersey.
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I almost ordered from them too... would have been a few $ cheaper than Buy.com but their return policy states you need to get RMA from Samsung first. If mine proves to be no good, I guess i can always try through them.

Congrats on the new monitor!
 
BearOso said:
I believe the 24" monitor may actually be 8 bit (10 bit effective). The German specs said 6 bit+2 bit FRC, but I actually remember seeing the original Korean spec sheet somewhere and it said "8 bit+FRC". It may be a misinterpretation on part of the translator, or I myself may be misinterpreting what the original specs mean, but at this price point I really don't think that it's a 6-bit panel.

And I think the 82% on the Dell site is supposed to be the AdobeRGB colorspace, not sRGB.
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Yea, Dell's 82% always means sRGB gamut. I guess until we find the specs of the panel from Samsung we won't know absolutely if it's 8-bit or 6-bit + FRC.

PuckCowboy said:
My 24" A850 is arriving from Buy.com today. Barring any unforeseen setbacks, as soon as I get it set up I will provide my thoughts, either tonight or tomorrow.
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Please do and thanks!

Ocardowin said:
Mine just arrived.

Absolutely 0 backlight bleeding. None. Nada. As in, best monitor I've ever had with regard to backlight bleeding.

After the previous review, I am absolutely floored and surprised. I'm in a well-lit room, so maybe that serves to hide bleeding, but I don't see it at all. I'll take a picture of it tonight (to minimize the matte reflection).

So glad I waited for this instead of going with the dell or ACD. No grain, no glare, perfect uniformity.
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That's great Ocardowin! A picture in a dark room with the camera set to .5 or 1 second of shutter/aperture should serve well, taken from 4 or 5 feet away to distinguish BLB from glow.

Glad to hear it! This bodes well!
 
Thank you! I don't know how to do a long technical review. I plan to write up a "I don't know anything about contrast ratio, but this is what I think about the monitor" review late tonight after a full day's use.

I'll take the pic tonight. The room I'm in is almost all natural light, so it's hard to get a pic in a dark room.
 
jinny1 said:
Even though the 24inch is 6bit the website says the monitor covers 100% of sRGB unlike Dell 2412m which only covers like 82% so it must be better at colour reproduction than dell right?
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U2412M covers 95.8% sRGB according to TFTCentral and 93% according to PRAD. The 82% on their website is for NTSC (CIE 1976) colour space. This is a little used measurement and the industry standard is NTSC (CIE 1931) of which the Dell covers 71%.
 
If possible could those that buy these monitors have a look to see if the monitor has any useful information on the back.

With any luck the BLB issues might be limited to certain revisions, batches or assembly plants.
 
I am sorry to everyone who was waiting for a more through review from me. Very shortly after my last post I was let go from my job and subsequently returned the monitor. I should have said something sooner.

Again, I'm sorry.
 
^^^Aww that sucks dude. Don't sweat it though.. Hope you find another better job soon..and that you got a nice severance package. :p
 
Bladestorm said:
I am sorry to everyone who was waiting for a more through review from me. Very shortly after my last post I was let go from my job and subsequently returned the monitor. I should have said something sooner.

Again, I'm sorry.
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Really sorry to hear that Bladestorm. :eek:

Best of luck in the near and further future and let us know how it goes.

And please don't apologize for something like that.
 
I ordered one from provantage and buy.com. So one will go back that has the worst quality of the two.
I didn't know buy.com would take a week for free shipping. So I went provantage since someone got a good monitor from there. I'll get that one friday. This is the 24 inch.

So is there any way to know for sure if its 6bit + FRC or 8bit. Is there a test or something to tell?
 
Galvin said:
I ordered one from provantage and buy.com. So one will go back that has the worst quality of the two.
I didn't know buy.com would take a week for free shipping. So I went provantage since someone got a good monitor from there. I'll get that one friday. This is the 24 inch.

So is there any way to know for sure if its 6bit + FRC or 8bit. Is there a test or something to tell?
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I guess it depends where you are. I ordered mine yesterday using the Free shipping from Buy.com out here in California, and received mine via FedEx today via ground.

Good idea on ordering from both though just in case. Might have to go through Provantage as well.
 
Ocardowin said:
Wait til tomorrow night or Thursday, Topaz. I'll post a brief, non-OCD, real world use user's review (not calling the previous reviewer OCD or anything...that bleed was bad).
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Oh well, with my current car troubles I can't really shell out the money right this second anyway. It was more a statement of "I wonder if subsequent production batches will improve".

Absolutely 0 backlight bleeding. None. Nada. As in, best monitor I've ever had with regard to backlight bleeding.

After the previous review, I am absolutely floored and surprised. I'm in a well-lit room, so maybe that serves to hide bleeding, but I don't see it at all. I'll take a picture of it tonight (to minimize the matte reflection).

So glad I waited for this instead of going with the dell or ACD. No grain, no glare, perfect uniformity.
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Is that the 24" or the 27"?
 
Ocardowin said:
Mine just arrived.

Absolutely 0 backlight bleeding. None. Nada. As in, best monitor I've ever had with regard to backlight bleeding.

After the previous review, I am absolutely floored and surprised. I'm in a well-lit room, so maybe that serves to hide bleeding, but I don't see it at all. I'll take a picture of it tonight (to minimize the matte reflection).

So glad I waited for this instead of going with the dell or ACD. No grain, no glare, perfect uniformity.
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Wait so you have no back light bleeding like that other guys picture? this is 27" samsung?
 
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Not true.

You can't tell me you don't know people who decide they need to buy a new tv and go out and buy a big screen tv knowing nothing about the model, its pros, cons, etc.

The same probably happens with the ACD. And the Dell. Samsung cares about that crowd.
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The price ranges of name brand, big screen TVs are all relatively close to each other though, provided they are the same screen size. Name brand big screen TVs do not use TN technology. If I am an uninformed consumer and I want a high quality TV, I am willing to pay a lot because I don't have another option or don't like my other options (generic brand).

On the other hand, when you ask a consumer to pay $900 for 27" Samsung monitor when they can get the same brand, same size for $300, it is a much different story. Yes you can get a 27" TN for under $300 now. As a salesman what is your pitch to charge them a 300% premium? Remember size is king for the uniformed consumer, they will almost always think a 30" is superior to a 27" regardless of the terms you throw at them. I certainly don't know any average consumers with IPS Dells. I suppose Apple is able to do a little better due to their incredible marketing, and the full glossy screen in an ideally lit showroom helps. Something Samsung isn't going to be able to do.
 
Got my 24" today. It has a little backlight bleed on the edges in a few spots, but I guess a little is normal.

Don't have a camera so can't take pictures.
 
Just got mine from buy.com. Mine is the S27A850 this monitor is supposed to be replacing my 19" crt. I'm pretty disappointed as this is my first time buying a LCD and i hoped that this monitor would have reached my standards but instead it has pretty much scared me from buying any LCD. Input lag IS noticeable from the the first time i moved my mouse and after testing it for a while i can still feel it even when I'm typing... i guess long time CRT usage will do that to you. I'm going to leave this monitor on pretty much a whole week and then take pictures again IF there are any changes.

The glow is just awful and very noticeable as it is almost like some one is behind you shining a flashlight on certain parts of your screen. the blacks are also terrible it's pretty much just nothing but grey. Contrast and gamma settings had no effect on the glow neither does a bright room or dark room it is still noticeable. Pix are pretty close to the effect in real life.

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Lowest possible brightness
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Noticeable in games (PC)
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Mine Included a stand, usb3 cable, dual link dvi cable, power supply and cd/manual.
Test my ps3 for a short while and it works fine... but most games look blurry and grainy at 720p on this monitor.
The one good thing i noticed is no dead pixels.
 
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I think Samsung is not having a good year with displays..the UN46D8000 that I owned for about a week had horrible backlight bleed..and banding..I couldnt stand it so I returned it.
 
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There must be a bad batch or something. The one I have 24" doesn't have it that bad. It does have bleed but just on the corners I can see glow. But no where near as bad as I see in that screen shot.

This one I got from provantage I have another one coming from buy.com on wednesday, and I'll see if that one is as bad as the one in the screen shot.

No dead pixels on mine either. This is my first LCD, one thing I noticed is when I turn my head I don't see any glow or what ever its called. My LCD TV does it a lot more but its a 2 year old IPS sony bravia 27 inch. I'm not noticing input lag as I'm typing this. Currently have it set to fastest for response time.
 
yourgrandma said:
The glow is just awful and very noticeable as it is almost like some one is behind you shining a flashlight on certain parts of your screen. the blacks are also terrible it's pretty much just nothing but grey. Contrast and gamma settings had no effect on the glow neither does a bright room or dark room it is still noticeable. Pix are pretty close to the effect in real life.

Lowest possible brightness
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That looks pretty bad to me. I am getting the impression that the that one pre-production review was essentially what you can expect with this monitor.
 
Those pictures look totally over exposed,.............
 
NCX said:
Those pictures look totally over exposed...
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My camera work may not be perfect but the pictures give a accurate portrayal of what i'm currently seeing on my monitor. Blacks are pretty much nonexistent and the glow is extremely annoying as to almost make me go cross eyed when i'm trying to look passed it. It's by far the worst in the lower right as it is almost taking up a 4th of my monitor in a grayish glow.
 
Just got mine from buy.com. Mine is the SA850 this monitor is supposed to be replacing my 19" crt. I'm pretty disappointed as this is my first time buying a LCD and i hoped that this monitor would have reached my standards but instead it has pretty much scared me from buying any LCD. Input lag IS noticeable from the the first time i moved my mouse and after testing it for a while i can still feel it even when I'm typing... i guess long time CRT usage will do that to you. I'm going to leave this monitor on pretty much a whole week and then take pictures again IF there are any changes.
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I'd take some snap shots of some other LCD screens. You do realize one of the flaws of LCD technology is that they don't produce true blacks. Its not even close. It's one of the things you first notice if you get an LCD television.

What I would like to see is a comparsion with the Dell 2711 in the same conditions..something like that.
 
All 10 of them? Newegg and TD won't even stock this monitor - that says a lot right there.
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Listen I love Newegg but they don't stock alot of stuff - they don't get stuff first either. They usually do have good prices when they get it though.
 
it's always a shock when you go from CRT to LCD, you can't compare them by any means. LCD should be compared only to another LCD.
 
NCX said:
Those pictures look totally over exposed,.............
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Wishful thinking. These are less exposed than what most people post for BLB shots. His exposure time is only 1/20 second. Even if you convert back to ISO 100, they would still be less than 1/2 second. Also look at the game picture. It isn't like the highlights are blown out.

This technology from Samsung is in the still needs work stage.

I would only go near this if you really hate the LG AG coating (and also glossy coatings like on the Apple/Hazro) and you find a place they will let you do a lot of exchanges in search of a good one.
 
Sotorious said:
Well screw it hp zr30w here i come :/ I wanted a 27"
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...except that IPS has the exact same glow issues. I have seen a lot of U2711s and all of them had the glow in the bottom left and bottom right corner, that's just the way it is, PLS is IPS without the aggressive AG coating, there is no difference in the white glow issue at all. Even the two ACDs I saw had this issue, although it looked more like a blue glow instead of a white glow because of the glass in front of the display and the complete lack of any anti-glare coating.
 
im not to worried about the glow blow, i am just worred about the backlight uniformity. idk if that would eve bother, hell idk if i would of noticed any of those if it had not been for this forum pointing it out, my main concern is input lag, and i dont want to be watching something and it be more brighter red in 1 section then the next.
 
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