Samsung S27A950D 120Hz

I finally got 3D working fairly well for me in World of Warcraft using IZ3D.

Here my current setup.

GPU:HD6970
Connection: Display Port (DVI also works)
Driver: Driver 11.6b (I think this will work fine with 11.5b(windows 7 only) or 11.6 but i did not try anything older. )

Monitor Settings
Reposes time: Normal ( this is set in 2d mode and can not be set once you are in 3D mode this is probably some combination of a firm ware bug / processing error.)
3D: Frame sequential

WoW: 1920x1080 120hz DX9 (DX11 have very low frame rates and eye swapping but this support probably not fully finished form all angles so this should work eventually) frame rate is 30-45 stereo frames per second (60-90fps)


If response time is set to faster or Fastest the over driver under drive processor kick in for the 3D feed but it does not take in to account the inserted black frames between L and R views in this cases the crosstalk part of the image look like a negative for very bright objects. With normal set, crosstalk acts as expected and is just a faint image of the L or the Right eye accordingly and is way less pronounced and is way easier on the eyes for extended 3d gaming. In both cases crosstalk is hard to notice if you keep moving around. Eventual your brain tunes will tune out faint cross talk unless you go looking for it again but it can be detracting during you initial warmup time while you eyes are getting adjusted to 3d again.

I have not been able to enable Tri Def at 120hz Frame Sequential yet for DVI. I can try display port for this later when i get around to giving TriDef another shot but so fare I like the feel of the IZ3D software a little better. iZ3D give you an in game wizard and they don’t use a launcher system to intercept the DX calls which can be a bit inconvenient. (game install detection on alternate partitions and profile availability wise)

Eye Swapping: There still a small chance of eye swapping for me on iZ3D but it only happen when you go through a loading screen and you can just hit ctl+F8 and this will swap the eye and you good to go again. At all other time Eye Swapping has been completely stable and error free.
 
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DoubleTap said:
Now available at the Egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001472
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Nice, a few models available, display port on the 750 would have been nice as well as an option to purchase one without the tuner (prob 100 cheaper) but good to see that they are selling them in the US if / when i decide to grab one. I was thinking about getting the 950's in a dual / triple setup but one by it self hurts my eyes (design) let alone x3. I'm also curious how three of these would look side by side. WTB triple display pics !
 
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wow, the S27A950D can be found for as low as 645$ from Canadian Etailers. They are probabaly just jacking the price to make some extra $$ off of the impatient people.
 
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They have them in newegg!
s23a950d 580$
t23a750d 630$
t23a950d 680$
s27a950d 730$
t27a750d 780$
t27a950d 830$


50$ diference between models
 
NCX said:
I read somewhere that to tweak the 3D with Nvidia 3D you have to go to the NV Control Panel? If so Tri-Def definately has the advantage since it offers tons of easy in game settings using the Numpad.
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Nvidia 3d settings can be changed in-game through customizable key combinations.

Rather than drop a large image here I'll just link to one I found on Bjorn3d using a quick search: http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/revimages/video/3D_Glasses/Advanced_adjustments.jpg

I've only used anaglyph so far, but I do like being able to tune each game then save those settings.
 
I guess I am just going to wait for the price to come down. Or a crazy discount code lol. Ughhhhh... the benq one is only like 250$ :(
 
I'm going to wait for more resellers, newegg return policy for this monitor said replacement only, if it's not refundable, I'm not buying it.
 
drwhoami said:
I'm going to wait for more resellers, newegg return policy for this monitor said replacement only, if it's not refundable, I'm not buying it.
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Smart.
Me, I couldn't resist.
OTOH I called Newegg they they said they would replace it for any reason within the first 30 days for any subjective defect I could find. And they would pay the shipping too. That and an estimated one day for shipping pushed me over the edge.
 
I have a home office stipend coming from my work and I was considering buying the S27A950 (2ms) but no way in hell am I paying $730+ for a monitor with a 1 year warranty. No thanks.

That is just irritating - it's an LED backlit monitor (no high maintenance inverter or CCFL) - for what they charge, if they don't feel good enough about it to put a 3yr on it, I am not taking that bet.
 
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1 year warranty. No thanks.
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Wow, you're right. That's pathetic. Plus they don't have the VESA mount version. I'm going with the Acer HN274H, but maybe wait for a price drop on that since it's $690, which is rather high. Compared to these Samsungs though, it's a bargain!
 
Remember the T models are not the same as the S models. T models are designed as TV and as such may not have the same quality image processing hardware and can only except 60hz input signals. The S models are designed as computer monitors and can handle 120hz input signals.
 
godvirus said:
Wow, you're right. That's pathetic. Plus they don't have the VESA mount version. I'm going with the Acer HN274H, but maybe wait for a price drop on that since it's $690, which is rather high. Compared to these Samsungs though, it's a bargain!
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The Acer is terrible, just wait for the pricing to go down rather than punishing yourself.
 
NCX said:
The Acer is terrible, just wait for the pricing to go down rather than punishing yourself.
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There you go again, jumping on any chance to trash this monitor. You are obsessed with spreading bad word on the Acer, without ever having seen one yourself. By 95% of reviews and user feedback, the Acer is a nice monitor and one that I would prefer over this Samsung (because of my Nvidia setup). However, I'm waiting for the Asus 27"
 
Why don't you read the review. The monitor is slow and has very low contrast, much lower than any other 120hz panel. Ignorance is bliss, so of course people who don't notice ghosting or have never used a monitor with good contrast+color are going to like what they have bought. There are tons of positive user reviews for monitors that suck. Who is right? The person with the testing equipment who has tested tons of monitors or Joe Texan?
 
eapleitez said:
There you go again, jumping on any chance to trash this monitor. You are obsessed with spreading bad word on the Acer, without ever having seen one yourself. By 95% of reviews and user feedback, the Acer is a nice monitor and one that I would prefer over this Samsung (because of my Nvidia setup). However, I'm waiting for the Asus 27"
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you can't really rely on most reviews and user feedback
review sites are sponsored by acer/benq/fujitsu/... to encourage them in writing positive reviews
and people (knowing nothing else than discounter tn trash) think they've actually made a good purchase due stuff like that
resulting in kind of inaccurate user feedback

in short:
the worst review is usually "the best" because manufacturers don't pay people to shit on their product

people here usually want a monitor that is actually good
its ok to warn them about trash
 
NCX, I appreciate your feedback, but I have to agree with the others here.

You've taken one single review (which could be wrong) and turned it into 20 forum posts about how terrible the monitor must be. Meanwhile there are dozens of 5/5 ratings and positive reviews of the monitor.

That dv review claims the Acer monitor has a ghosting of 15ms and provides a photo showing crosstalk on L and R frames. There is some crosstalk but not very much.
Without comparison stats and pics of the s27a750 it's hard to state that the Samsungs are any better. After all, they might be using the same panels, right?
I can't find the results of their new testing method on any other 3D monitor (except the one linked in the article, which doesn't include shots of the L and R frames),
so it's hard to judge. Also possible dv made a mistake in their testing.

One person that has actually seen the Acer says it's better than the 2233rz (which they have also seen).
 
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None of the other "reviews," except 3D vision blog invovle any sort of scientific testing, I consider them no better than user impressions, which is probably the point. Manufacturers send their products to people who can't actually test them properly knowing they will like it.

Even if DV's RT measurements are wrong, it does not change the fact that it has the worst contrast out of all the 120hz panels and the colors aren't that great. 60hz LCD's don't show crosstalk in 3D with the L/R test image so it is totally possible for the Acer not to.
 
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I am ok with subjective testing in theory, just as long as it's *MY* subjective testing.
 
NCX said:
None of the other "reviews," except 3D vision blog invovle any sort of scientific testing, I consider them no better than user impressions, which is probably the point. Manufacturers send their products to people who can't actually test them properly knowing they will like it.

Even if DV's RT measurements are wrong, it does not change the fact that it has the worst contrast out of all the 120hz panels and the colors aren't that great. 60hz LCD's don't show crosstalk in 3D with the L/R test image so it is totally possible for the Acer not to.
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The crosstalk could be the same as the 2233rz. We can't tell since they changed their testing method. All we know is it's worse than Acer's 23" sibling.
It sounds like the 23" is doing overdrive which I suspect adds a frame of input lag. So maybe the 27" has no overdrive and also no input lag.

Furthermore, since dv hasn't reviewed the Samsung, for all we know it could be just as bad. Maybe they even use the same panel.
 
The Acer uses an LG panel, Samsung uses their own. The 23" GN does not have any input lag, unfortunately the GD had 18ms of lag+sharpness issues.
 
Overdrive comes with input lag and inverse ghosting. The latter of which they reported seeing on the GN so it probably has overdrive and the corresponding input lag.

Ref:

http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/dark-side-lcd-overdrive-input-lag-61225/

EDIT: Thanks for info on panels. I'm going to wait for the s27a750 to come to U.S. and for the price of all of them to go down. A glasses-less option would also be nice. In the meantime I'll stick with my 2233rz.
 
Hrm. Still no model with Vesa mounts? If I can't use my monitor arm I'm not buying anything.
 
ThinJ said:
Hrm. Still no model with Vesa mounts? If I can't use my monitor arm I'm not buying anything.
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I specifically asked the samsung store dude if any of these models had Vesa mounting ability, and he said no (and looked like he knew what he was talking about). I also confirmed that visually at the store display models. That was a bummer.
 
sippm said:
I specifically asked the samsung store dude if any of these models had Vesa mounting ability, and he said no (and looked like he knew what he was talking about). I also confirmed that visually at the store display models. That was a bummer.
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I think the S23A750 has vesa mounts
 
nhtalbot said:
I think the S23A750 has vesa mounts
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I looked at it in person and I didn't see them. I also asked the guy if the panel can even be separated from the cone shaped stand, and he said no. I'm gonna go back this weekend and mess with it, even if it means kicking some dork off playing xbox.
 
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I'm pretty sure they said they made the monitor thinner by putting a lot of the electrics in the base so you won't be able to take it off. I'm not sure why companies try to go ultra thin though, i can understand it for a phone that you put in your pocket but I think most people would rather a monitor had better functionality, like vesa mounting, provided it didn't become ridiculously thick.
 
Falesh said:
I'm pretty sure they said they made the monitor thinner by putting a lot of the electrics in the base so you won't be able to take it off. I'm not sure why companies try to go ultra thin though, i can understand it for a phone that you put in your pocket but I think most people would rather a monitor had better functionality, like vesa mounting, provided it didn't become ridiculously thick.
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Same reason LCDs took off in the first place when CRTs where better. Ya lots of people whom are practical think it is useless but the vast majority of consumers judge displays off little else than looks size / weight. The same is true to me for almost every product that exists. I do not get the point in these little netbooks or tablets, and I really do not care if my phone is 5" or fairly heavy as long as it still fits in my pocket. But the vast majority of consumers look at size and weight as possibly the single most important factor in picking. If it is behind anything it is probably just price.
 
Ok these pics do this setup no justice whatsoever, but it's the best I've got so here you go:

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Ignore the shitty desk/background (the desk is actually a dining table and an ironing board - very shaky). It's temporary; when I move back home I'll take some decent pics with a proper setup with no gaps.

Needless to say the bezels on these things are tiny. In eyefinity they are unnoticeable in most super HD games. I play Eve at 5760x1080 and forget it's three screens.
 
Zxcs said:
Ok these pics do this setup no justice whatsoever, but it's the best I've got so here you go:

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Ignore the shitty desk/background (the desk is actually a dining table and an ironing board - very shaky). It's temporary; when I move back home I'll take some decent pics with a proper setup with no gaps.

Needless to say the bezels on these things are tiny. In eyefinity they are unnoticeable in most super HD games. I play Eve at 5760x1080 and forget it's three screens.
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Nice setup, but the color on those screens look out of whack. I'm assuming they don't look like that in person, do they?
 
addictedto60fps said:
Nice setup, but the color on those screens look out of whack. I'm assuming they don't look like that in person, do they?
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It's the shitty $15 webcam and crap lamp lighting. I'll take some more pics in a few weeks when I get a better camera
 
Hi Guys,

I have a 5-year old Chimei CMV 938D 19-inch monitor and i've been waiting for the right moment to upgrade; the Samsung S23A950D caught my eye which brought me past this thread (assuming same panel but different size)

I have been on the lookout for an LED 120hz monitor for 2D gaming, and was waiting for an LED screen thinking that the high dynamic ratio (5mill:1 LED compared to 80,000:1 LCD) would make for better quality compared to standard CCFL. However, after reading NCX's post, I noticed he said that the ASUS VG236H has better quality than the S23A950. According to NCX, the static ratio of the ASUS is better than the Samsung but my question is; does the dynamic ratio matter at all?

Also, my current screen is matte, and I was wondering how glossy the samsung is? Do the advantages outweigh the annoyance of the reflections?

I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a screen according to the following prices (Or, give any other monitor recommendations):
Samsung S23A950 - $450
ASUS VG236H - $500
Alienware AW2310 - $489

I live in Australia, and the Samsung was already released here, so there is no waiting time to factor in the purchase.

Keep in mind that 90% of the time I will be using the screen for 2D 120hz FPS games, 9% for 2D Movies and 1% for 3D gaming/movies. Also, I have an ATi HD 5850 Graphics card.

Thanks.
 
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I looked at it in person and I didn't see them. I also asked the guy if the panel can even be separated from the cone shaped stand, and he said no. I'm gonna go back this weekend and mess with it, even if it means kicking some dork off playing xbox.
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Major bummer. I have too much stuff and not enough desk space, and a newer/bigger desk just isn't an option. No room on the desk for a monitor to sit on a stand :(

I guess I might be able to build a shelf that would help, but I dunno. My Xbox, my headphone amp, my speakers... plus I'd have this Ergotron arm just... sitting.

This sucks.
 
Thanks for posting pics Zxcs,

It makes me wonder - as thin as they got the bezels and they way they offload most of the electronics into the base, you can't help but think they are working on a version with 3 of those panels and single elegant base.

I would like to see some kind of standard (or proprietary feature) where monitors have side rails that let them lock together and daisy chain power and signal.

Maybe some day...
 
spachala said:
I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a screen according to the following prices (Or, give any other monitor recommendations):
Samsung S23A950 - $450
ASUS VG236H - $500
Alienware AW2310 - $489

I live in Australia, and the Samsung was already released here, so there is no waiting time to factor in the purchase.
Thanks.
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If you look on staticice.com.au, you could get the S27A750 for ~$500 and the 23 inch version for ~$400.

Spending $500 for the Asus is silly unless you know someone who is willing to take the glasses off you for a good price.
 
Tachikoma said:
If you look on staticice.com.au, you could get the S27A750 for ~$500 and the 23 inch version for ~$400.

Spending $500 for the Asus is silly unless you know someone who is willing to take the glasses off you for a good price.
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But the 750 version doesn't have a Dual-DVI connection. I wanted to have a DVI connection so it would be backwards compatible in case I ever needed to connect the monitor to an older graphics card without HDMI or DP while still having 120hz capabilities. I thought I may as well spend the extra $50 for the 950 version for compatibility. (Although, the chances of needing to do so would be slim)

Plus: it looks like the 750 version isn't in stock in any of the stores near me. Plenty of stock for 950 though.

Also, i'm mainly looking at the 23-inch version because I feel 27-inch is a little too big for competitive FPS gaming. (If looking at the left side of screen, might not see a subtle movement in the right side with a 27-inch)

I guess my main question is:
Is the performance of the Alienware AW2310 or ASUS VG236H worth the $50 price premium? Is the Samsung S23A950D almost as good?
 
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Don't know if it is available in Australia, but there is the Asus VG236HE that is the same monitor without the 3D glasses.
 
Got an S27A950D the day before yesterday.
The good: 2D is great. Very smooth.
The relative: Contrast ratio is ok, but would be nice if it were better; bias lighting basically solves it.
The bad: ghosting in right eye is a bit too much. I turned the glasses upside down to confirm that it wasn't just a right eye dominance effect and the bad ghosting switched to my left eye. If you can get one these monitors with ghosting in both eyes that is as minimal as the ghosting in the left eye on mine, ghosting will be a non-issue for you.

Another problem is that there are some black dots that travel down the center of the screen against a white background. They travel down the screen extremely quickly, only appearing every half inch or so, sort of skipping down, only appearing for a fraction of a second at any given point. The problem is intermittent and I have not been able to figure out what triggers it. If this was an old, out of warranty monitor, I would just ignore them and keep using it. But this is unacceptable in a new monitor.

Lastly the box I received the monitor in had clearly been opened and resealed. The accessories were definitely unused, but I am not sure about the monitor itself; it could have been new.
 
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