Samsung S27A950D 120Hz

NCX said:
I got 90+ FPS with SLI 480's in l4D2 (maxed settings) and eliminated the crosstalk by changing the settings. By default the CT is terrible, but it was easily fixable. I didn't try anything but console games+movies with 2D-3D conversion and saw horrible CT ghosting.

I noticed the low res (streching 960x1080) but thought this was normal. That explains why KZ3 looked so terrible, it probably runs @640x360 stretched:eek:

Now I'm glad I returned it. The 27" is nice but the Asus VG236H should offer identical 2D PQ+ better 3D for 200$+ less.
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When i first started the tridef software it asked me if i wanted to run frame-sequential (full resolution, every 2nd frame is for every second eye in full resolution, just like 3dvision) - AMD 5000 card or greater. I hoped my gf card would count as "greater" :D It didnt, discrimination.

All other graphics cards: 3d side by side. (960*1080 stretched, looks like crap rendered, just fine for movies).

To test 3d properly on this screen i think you need an AMD gfx card. If you plan on keeping the 480's and 3d gaming is a priority for you, i strongly agree you should return this for the moment. Maybe tridef will sort frame-sequential for nvidia as well in the future but that wont do you any good right now. Id suggest you borrow an amd card for your review, if you want it to be properly done.

If what i suspect about high fps eliminating crosstalk with the 2d->3d conversion is true, it definitly agrees with your findings of crosstalk in console games´and movies, as both have very low fps.
As i said, i got crosstalk in series/movies, especially when panning but really nice quality in calm scenes, but no crosstalk at all in hours of lfd or wow with 120+ fps. Iguess both wow instances and lfd2 are quite dark, maybe thats the best possible circumstances.. ill try something bright and see too tomorrow.

The console game you tried probably ran in @640x720, if 1280x720 is the full resolution. It only needs to stretch one side. (alternatively 1280*360 if it did top/bottom).
 
2D-3D CT was definately worse with light blues/whites (Dead Rising 2) vs converted Infamous (dark browns and greys).

I returned it, ended up with nothing (back to the CRT and 72hz C-PVA with 3,000:1 contrast). Tri Def worked fine for me. I installed the the 3Ddriver thing (not at home will post a screen later) where it said to run side-by-side, don't remember anyhting about high settings.

960x1080 doesn't look that terrible, not any where as bad as Call of Duty on consoles. I wish I had known more about 3D, oh well my review will mainly focus on the color presets, backlight uniformity and response time anyways.
 
Your 2D-part of the review was great. Shame about the quality of your monitor though.
I tried the built-in benchmark in streetfighter 4 now, it has bright backgrounds, extremely fast movement and panning (ran at 200fps+, and it goes faster and faster the higher framerate it achives), and there was no crosstalk at all and actually looked really nice. I like the 2d->3d better and better, and it definitly seems to me now that high framerate is what it needs.
 
Not sure why NCX is returning this monitor, but is this the best 27" 3d monitor to get right now?
I see NewEgg has the 27" Acer HN274H finally in stock.
 
eddie500 said:
Not sure why NCX is returning this monitor, but is this the best 27" 3d monitor to get right now?
I see NewEgg has the 27" Acer HN274H finally in stock.
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He made it clear 1 page ago: this is the best 27" 120hz you can get, but it's not worth $800+
 
kache said:
He made it clear 1 page ago: this is the best 27" 120hz you can get, but it's not worth $800+
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Bare in mind that if you have a display port you can buy the S27A750D for £70 less then the S27A950D and is idential to it minus the DVI port.
 
100% worth the price IMO

if you actually want to get above 60fps in the real world, these types of monitors are the only way to do it. its just part of the building a high end gaming setup

The price really is not that bad though, you pay a little more because the glasses are included, its styled a little uncoventionally, and 120hz is still a little niche. hell, I used to own an older 60hz 27" monitor and i paid 900 for it.


given the prices as seen here http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/Computers(ME)/LCDMonitors(ME)/Default.aspx?cf=MO_RefreshRate|120Hz this price increase seems about right if you compare the kits with glasses. only $150 more than a 24" model with inferior quality. and I know this because I have seen all these screens in action...
over on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007617%204021%20600030620&IsNodeId=1&name=27%22 i seen a comparable monitor for almost the same price




if you want this just for 120hz, this is by far the best 120hz unit I have played with
 
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Falesh said:
Bare in mind that if you have a display port you can buy the S27A750D for £70 less then the S27A950D and is idential to it minus the DVI port.
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It is not identical, it lacks the 2d->3d conversion which is actually nice. Iirc it also lacks some other minor feature.
 
just to add, I have played with the 2d->3d mode a little, i was expecting to do be very crappy, but I was supprised it worked pretty good. i think all it does it pop everything out at the same depth. It still gives to you the feeling that it is more real.

imo, fake 2D-3D conversion is a little goofy, but again, it works better than one would expect.
 
Morkai said:
That is odd, im sure that early on it was said that the 750 wouldnt have the 2d->3d and no motion sensor or something which that list also claims it has. Perhaps that was CES info that they later changed.
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You got me worried so I just checked back and found the sales guy from overclockers.co.uk got an email from Samsung confirming that the 750D does indeed have 2D to 3D. :D
 
NCX said:
I have no idea. I'm in Canada and got it from NClX, where it shall most likely be returned.



Crosstalk is terrible with consoles, I will try some 2D-3D conversion with PC games. With movies the 2D-3D works, however you can only have a little bit of depth other wise there is to much cross talk. I prefer the 2D colors vs Conversion.

I actually don't like it because both 250$ monitors I bought last year had better contrast/blacks, color, much better screen unifomirty and one of them supported 72hz which is the perfect happy medium VS getting a 120hz screen with heavy bleeding.

It still isn't a bad monitor though, it is very fast, has great default color accuracy, but this is mostly ruined by the screen uniformity on my unit and low contrast ratio. I could exchange it, but given my current disapointment I would rather pay the restocking fee. I would like to see some pictures of other peoples units displaying a full black screen in the dark. The only 950 i've seen has bad uniformity as well.

I still have to remeasure and re-calibrate everything to double check, maybe I can improve things, but the bleeding on my unit is visible with the lights on despite the low brightness and relfections!

Some other notes:

-Metro 2033 only displays a pure black screen when lauched in 3D
-Bad Company 2 doesn't work with 3D own, when I turn it off it messes up the in game graphics like it is trying to do 3D on one part of the screen but failing

My Tri Def 3D games list
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i432/240hzTeslaStorm/Samsung S27A950D Review/tridefgamelist.png

Will fool around with some of these games, I'm guessing it is going to take some tweaking with all of them to reduce crosstalk similar to L4D2. Will also post a KZ3 2D vs 3D to show that 2D is better.
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This is a quick shot of mine

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How is this monitor compared to the Acer HN274h? I plan to use 3D for both movies and gaming. So my interest is more with the 3D more than 2D. My concern is with World of Warcraft that it may not run well with this monitor. Just want to get an opinion with someone that has both monitors and can provide some input before I make the final decision.
 
I've also used the Acer which I thought worked pretty well. Although, I do like the Samsung quite a bit better. The Ultra-Clear panel just looks a lot better than the typical sparkly matte coatings. My subjective opinion of course.
 
I agree with the glossy panels. If your gaming, you are crazy not to have your room completly dark. Even with my matte screen, if I do not have my vinyl room darkening shades over my windows, I can barely see the screen.
 
How's the 3D in comparison to the Acer HN274H? In comparison would be quality of 3D, ghosting, and crosstalk between the 2 monitors? Latency is not much an issue for me since it's primarily for WOW, but ghosting and crosstalk will be a big deciding factor.

From what I had been gathering with all these discussions, 2D is very good. Which will be a plus, but reason for getting a 3D monitor is for 3D. Otherwise, I could settle for a cheaper better 2D monitor. So if anyone can help me with their opinion in regard to cross talk and ghosting between the 2 monitors, that will be greatly appreciated.
 
NCX said:
I got 90+ FPS with SLI 480's in l4D2 (maxed settings) and eliminated the crosstalk by changing the settings. By default the CT is terrible, but it was easily fixable. I didn't try anything but console games+movies with 2D-3D conversion and saw horrible CT ghosting.

I noticed the low res (streching 960x1080) but thought this was normal. That explains why KZ3 looked so terrible, it probably runs @640x360 stretched:eek:

Now I'm glad I returned it. The 27" is nice but the Asus VG236H should offer identical 2D PQ+ better 3D for 200$+ less.
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Why the Asus over the Planar?
 
I can't stand anything but light AG coating which is only confirmed to be on C-PVA panels.

The Planars use a Samsung panel, meaning they most likely use medium AG coating like every other Samsung TN, which is to grainy for me after having the 2233rz/PX2370/S27A550H next to screens with light AG and Gloss.

Certain games look much more vibrant and clear with Gloss . Killzone 3 is a completely different game on a Matte screen. Same with Far Cry 2, Gears of War 2+3, and Bad Company 2. No Matte panel can produce an image like this.

Still waiting for my refund to come through before ordering anything. Wish there was a Glossy Nvidia 3D 27".
 
Anyone tried out iz3d solution yet in the nvidia camp. They supposedly have nvidia support working with out eye flipping in there 1.13 build candidates you should be able to test it in trial mode this is a non official release so it may still have bugs.


To the best of my understanding Nvida does not expose there quad buffering support out side of there 3d drives so they may have found a way to emulate it. This may fix some of the low frame rate cross talk issue that people are reporting using nvida cards.

http://www.iz3d.com/driver


When i get my monitor i will try out both iz3d and triDef from the ati side and i will let people know if i can find any significant advantages. To one or the other.
 
Any user video's or user reviews on this monitor, also read that the T27 was 120hz also.
Please put some user video's and reviews up.
 
Lightcreated said:
Any user video's or user reviews on this monitor, also read that the T27 was 120hz also.
Please put some user video's and reviews up.
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I am to lazy to put up a video review, but I have been tempted.

I find sometimes people get a little too worked up exact specs, what really counts is the over all feel when your really using it.

so the basics.... for the s27

Much better color than your typical monitor, Rich colors when needed, bright when needed.

the back likght is not perfect for being uniform, you will notice a slight gradiant when being picky, but you will not notice it when playing games.

viewing angles are ok, if you lay down on the sofa, you not be able to watch movies very well. for normal angles, works good

The glossy screen is a little annoying. usually only bugs me when i have a black screen to begin with. you wont notice it too much under normal FPS gaming conditions. Space games, you will notice if you dont have a dark room.

its true 120hz, so its going to feel smoother if your game gives out these frames. repsonse time seemed good, i could not detect any input lag. I am very sensitive to low frame rates, but i may not have the lag detection of some professional gamers.


again, 3D, I have not really tried it that much, got the tridef to work with TF2 in side x side view. Neat, but I would never actually play games that way. I bought it for 120 hz, not for 3d. I still have never gotten a 3d bluray to play, i got no idea what i am doing wrong. I will just let someone else handle reviewing the 3d. :)


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mine came with a dead pixel near the centre, my retailer will replace it if i want, but I dont find it that noticable at all, so i might just let it go, ( or collect later on down the road)
 
Finally received mine. I think I might have to return mine because there is something wrong with it. Sometimes when it switch resolution, there will be a flickering black line in the center of the monitor. The left side of the monitor is okay, the but right side will slightly flicker as if there is a refresh problem. I thought it was a problem with my videocard through dvi, but it is the same with hdmi port through ps3. It will eventually go away or I can quickly turn the monitor on and off to fix it.

I am not sure if I should keep it and see if it gets better or not. I will have the 3 year warranty so I could always send it in to samsung to get it repaired. I got mine from Canada, so I would have to go through all the trouble of shipping it back and waiting for a new one if they have it in stock.

Also the vertical line flickering problem seems to be getting better the longer I use it. The flickering occuring less often and the black line/flickering doesn't get as bad. They can still be fix by adjusting the resolution/refresh rate back and forth or simply turning off/on the monitor. So what should I do? Return or keep it?
 
Hey Tenchir some monitors have a mode that allows you to view 1/2 the monitor 1 way and the other half another way to compare say 120hz to 60hz. Are you sure that is not what you are seeing? If so turn off that mode, if not ignor my idiotic rambling.
 
rudy said:
Hey Tenchir some monitors have a mode that allows you to view 1/2 the monitor 1 way and the other half another way to compare say 120hz to 60hz. Are you sure that is not what you are seeing? If so turn off that mode, if not ignor my idiotic rambling.
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I think I know what you talking about, a demo mode and it's not that. Half the screen is crisp and clear(looks perfect), the other half flickers as if it has some reflesh problem. This problem only occurs like a 1 in 3 chances when I launch games(when it switch resolutions), when it boots up, or when I mess around with the graphic settings. It is easily fixed just switching the monitor off than on again.
 
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Call Samsung for an RMA if you like the performance and 3D, if not spend the $$ to ship it back.
 
NCX said:
Call Samsung for an RMA if you like the performance and 3D, if not spend the $$ to ship it back.
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I'm keeping it. I am deciding if I should RMA it immediately or just use it until the problem is too much of an inconvenience or it is getting worse.
 
tenchir said:
I'm keeping it. I am deciding if I should RMA it immediately or just use it until the problem is too much of an inconvenience or it is getting worse.
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Always RMA things as soon as you can to avoid complications.
 
Here is a new professional review:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sa950.html
Here is the conclusion:

I guess I will give you the highs and lows of the SyncMaster SA950 in two lists.

Highs:

* Excellent exterior design
* Good color rendering setup
* Low response time
* Light and cute 3D glasses with wireless interface
* Supports 3D imaging with any graphics cards
* Supports 3D imaging for movies and photographs without using special drivers and software (can automatically decode Top-Bottom and Side-by-Side formats)
* Good 3D image quality

Lows:

* Glossy screen producing lots of flares
* Insufficient integration of the TriDef software with the monitor (you have to manually switch the monitor into 3D mode after launching a game)
* Supports 120Hz 3D mode with frame alteration for AMD Radeon HD 5xxx and 6xxx series cards only
* Dark screen in 3D mode

The SyncMaster SA950 seems to have more highs than lows. Although it is far from ideal (I’d want to see a new driver version that could switch the monitor into 3D mode automatically whenever a game is launched; the support of the 120Hz 3D mode for Nvidia-based cards would also be welcome), I guess it can make a strong rival to Nvidia’s 3D Vision technology.

So, if you take games seriously and 3D image quality is important to you, you should choose between the SA950 and the 3D Vision-compatible products depending on what graphics card you use. 3D Vision is not compatible with AMD GPUs whereas the SA950, although supports Nvidia GPUs, can only enable 120Hz mode for AMD-based cards.
 
Can someone elaborate on this 120hz 3d mode frame alteration for AMD radeon cards only? Does this mean your better off with a AMD Radeon card?
 
I'm a bit confused. I have a Nvidia 570 graphics card. Will this work in 120hz 2D mode for this monitor?
 
hi i got 2 question

1. can i use this monitor to play 3d games with the ps3(like uncharted 3 comming out later this year)

2. do i need need something else beside a bluray drive to watch 3d bluray

thx a lot
 
Lightcreated said:
I read the whole thread before i registered, but i do recall a couple of pages back, i read NCX said he would post and upload videos to youtube soon, that's why i asked, i am dying to see a video user review.
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25bb66AZi4"]Youtube Video Review[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEDtG9ztRMs"]Gameplay[/ame]
djeezo said:
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1.) Yes, though will probably want to use 2D-3D conversion over Native 3D. Consoles are not powerful enough to power games in 3D without major visual downgrades. Killzone 3 looks like a PS2 game in 3D.

2.) All you need is your PS3.
 
Thank you, i was thinking of doing that verything, does this mean i won't get the full 3d affects because it won't be running in true 3d mode?
 
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