Samsung Odyssey 1440p VA monitors 240hz curved

1000R? That's one aggressive curve. Leaning back in the chair would probably give you some seriously annoying distortion.
 
ZeroBullet said:
Pre-orders for these started today, https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/15/...rs-preorder-release-date-price-gsync-freesync

How fast can a 1ms VA panel realistically go before it starts to smear? That's the common VA problem at speed, right?
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I’m pretty sure there is no such thing as a 1ms VA. That 1 ms is probably MPRT moving picture resolution. What that signals is that it has a backlight strobing mode. How well it’s implemented will determine if it’s worth it or not.

You’ll see visible smearing regardless. I have Samsung’s HG70 monitor and it’s very fast for a VA. There’s still some smearing though.
 
The CRG9 couldn't even handle 120 Hz without noticeable smearing and ghosting. Considering VA panels haven't improved in this respect basically at all throughout their life, its a safe bet that this panel will be a complete mess at 240 Hz. Either that or the overdrive will be so aggressive that you'll get massive overshoot and reverse ghosting.
 
I like Samsung but i hate the curved panels..it looks great tho but playing sidescrollers like LOL and so and watching anime on it will prolly suck hard
 
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/ lists the new Samsungs as having a Freesync range of 60-240 Hz and on the 32" model even worse, 80-240 Hz. Specs for the upcoming G9 also list 60-240 Hz as Freesync range.

Does anyone have any guesses why this would be the case? CRG9 was already 48-120 Hz so why would they need to raise the minimum for the new panels? Why would they go to LFC at <60 fps?

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The CRG9 couldn't even handle 120 Hz without noticeable smearing and ghosting. Considering VA panels haven't improved in this respect basically at all throughout their life, its a safe bet that this panel will be a complete mess at 240 Hz. Either that or the overdrive will be so aggressive that you'll get massive overshoot and reverse ghosting.
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CRG9's response time issues are, VA panel aside, due to very conservative overdrive. There is a marginal difference between the different OD modes and none of them have any overshoot. Just tightening that up would help for the G7 and G9 line. I really have no idea what Samsung engineers thought there but then again I don't understand other manufacturers who purposely leave in OD settings that are useless (e.g. several OD modes with no difference in image quality and slight response time differences) and then ones that have so much overshoot that they become a detriment.
 
TFT Central just reviewed the latest VA Qled monitor from Cooler Master that I think uses the same Samsung panel as these and it did really well, maybe the best results for a VA panel.
I think it has 7ms AVG response time, 3070:1 contrast ratio, level 1 input lag and half the smearing than that of CRG7/9 and twice as fast in G2G slow transitions with little to no overshoot.

This is the monitor: https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/coolermaster_gm34-cw.htm

very impressive to say at least, i went from VA to IPS and it felt like a huge downgrade, the response times were better but everything else was worse, the ips glow, lighting, shadows and colors all looked mixed together and dull there was no depth and separation at all to the image, i had hard time playing fps games, i couldnt see enemies, all blended in one big mess of things, as for watching movies on my IPS monitor, it was no good. So I sold it and got a VA monitor last year, and I was blown away again, i was able to see shadows, lighting, colors and enemies again at ease and movies looked even more incredible than the last VA monitor I owned.

I think a lot of people overlook the importance of contrast ratio, I think it is the most important aspect when it comes to gaming and movies. And I feel there is a huge market push for IPS displays out there for the PC, and I find that panel type to be poor/avarage for entertainment like games and movies, I only benefited from IPS with high quality still images, the colors seemed more accurate but that's about it.
 
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I only benefited from IPS with high quality still images, the colors seemed more accurate but that's about it.
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Most people aren't graphics designers, so I'm not sure why "accurate" colors matter so much to so many. VA does great with still images, just not pro graphics work.

For text, many seem to find it easier to look at and read VA screens for extended periods of time. More contrast,, less glow, and a subjectively flatter viewing surface. Of course VA monitors also work better in dark and black modes that are easier on the eyes.
 
I just plugged in my 1440P Dell TN and I could swear Divinity Original Sin 2 looked better on the higher rez monitor nope the colors are all yellow and washed out compared to my Samsung CRG5 24" so I must of been seeing things back then. They still sell the Samsung at Best Buy if you are intrested it's a cheap monitor like 180.00 I picked up two of them power plug can have issues at times. Reading the above post I'll probably never go back to a IPS monitor they are good but suffer from crushing blacks like the few I owned. I think I owned 2 IPS monitors one 27" which I thought was awkward at 1080P then a smaller 21.5" IPS. If you have a small monitor like a 24" with 1440P the details that were designed for the game can look really compact and hard to see just because of the size of the monitor. I remember playing BF V on the monitor and well it was really hard to see the enemy due to the 1440P rez and the small size of the monitor so I think 1080P is here to stay for the long haul because alot of games are developed on it.

I'm really intrested in this Samsung Odessey monitor series due the curve of it #1
#2 it just a bigger VA monitor with a higher rez.
 
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Most people aren't graphics designers, so I'm not sure why "accurate" colors matter so much to so many. VA does great with still images, just not pro graphics work.
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Most people would not know accurate colors if it hit them in the face. You get people complaining about accurate sRGB that it doesn't "pop" or is not "vivid" when they are used to wide gamut oversaturation and whatever horrible things manufacturers do to most of their display presets.

IMO accurate colors can help even if you are not a graphics designer as you will see the content as intended by whoever made it. For pro uses though you run into VA viewing angle issues that cause color shift which means they are not for accurate graphics work, video color grading and so on. But again this is a concern just for people who need to make perfectly accurate stuff for print, video etc work related things. For anyone else they will work well enough even for this kind of work.
 
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TFT Central just reviewed the latest VA Qled monitor from Cooler Master that I think uses the same Samsung panel as these and it did really well, maybe the best results for a VA panel.
I think it has 7ms AVG response time, 3070:1 contrast ratio, level 1 input lag and half the smearing than that of CRG7/9 and twice as fast in G2G slow transitions with little to no overshoot.

This is the monitor: https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/coolermaster_gm34-cw.htm
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Look at the spikes, 38 vs 5.4 average, you will definitely see that as smearing in games.

Lastan010 said:
I think a lot of people overlook the importance of contrast ratio, I think it is the most important aspect when it comes to gaming and movies. And I feel there is a huge market push for IPS displays out there for the PC, and I find that panel type to be poor/avarage for entertainment like games and movies
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In my experience this is just not true. Black is visibly more gray on IPS but that's pretty much it. I find IPS to be the do it all monitor for when you only want 1 monitor. VA you can forget for games, slower ones even for movies and desktop use due to the smearing they produce.
 
ors said:
In my experience this is just not true. Black is visibly more gray on IPS but that's pretty much it. I find IPS to be the do it all monitor for when you only want 1 monitor. VA you can forget for games, slower ones even for movies and desktop use due to the smearing they produce.
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I would IPS is the best choice if you can only have 1 monitor and need it for anything and everything but personally I absolutely HATED gaming on an edge lit IPS display because of glow. I just found IPS glow to be far more distracting than a fast VA with some black smearing. Just my own opinion though.
 
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They still sell the Samsung at Best Buy if you are intrested it's a cheap monitor like 180.00 I picked up two of them power plug can have issues at times.
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I'm presently using a VA249 as one of my monitors. I just purchased this from Amazon, manufactured in March of 2020. However, I think the panel itself is a relatively old 2014 model by InnoLux unless I'm mistaken or it's been updated. It's a basic VA screen by Asus in their Eye Care line. The backlight is comparable to my two HP IPS screens, meaning as perfect as is reasonable, and much better than the Asus IPS Eye Care I returned. When I ordered it I did so knowing I could easily return it, but as I use it, so far, I'm impressed and satisfied. It is a different experience versus my two HP IPS screens.

I suspect a current generation TN panel could be just as good for my needs.

Worth noting, both VA and IPS were originally developed by Japanese companies. I'd like to see a world where we go out of our way to support superior engineering cultures like Japan and Germany. They are treasures of human capital.

See this: Fujitsu Develops Breakthrough Technology for TFT Liquid Crystal Displays

This is from 1997 and represents the breakthrough of VA technology.

Tokyo, September 16, 1997 -- Fujitsu Ltd. has successfully developed a new, breakthrough technology which dramatically enhances the image quality and simplifies the manufacturing of large-size Liquid Crystal Displays (LCDs). Applying the new technique to direct-view thin-film transistor (TFT) LCD panels, Fujitsu has succeeded in making 15 inch LCD screens with the best image quality, widest viewing angle and fastest response time compared to any TFT-LCD in the industry.

The new technology, Multi-domain Vertical Alignment (MVA) is the result of continuing research based on the Vertically Aligned (VA) technology announced by Fujitsu in September of 1996. MVA LCDs have a wide viewing angles of more than 160 degrees, both vertical and horizontal, and a high contrast of 300:1. The new screens also have a response time of only 25ms and the MVA technology totally eliminates the need for a "rubbing" process in manufacturing. This makes MVA-type LCDs simple to make and stable.

Fujitsu plans to begin volume production of the 15 inch MVA LCDs from October 1997. Prototypes of the 15 inch XGA panel using MVA technology will be shown at the Japan Electronics Show held in Makuhari, Chiba, Japan beginning October 6,1997.

The VA technology was the first to introduce the use of liquid crystals (LC) with negative dielectric anisotropy in the field of LCDs and was able to achieve the faster response time and the higher contrast compared to Twisted Nematic (TN) LCDs. The MVA technology found the way to encompass the VA achievements and dramatically improving the image, quality and at the same time simplifying the manufacturing process to realize volume production.

The MVA technology dramatically improved the viewing angles by making "multi-domain alignment" or multi-direction of the LC molecules' inclination possible. Multi-domain alignment realized viewing angles of more than 160 degrees for both vertical and horizontal directions with completely symmetric characteristics. This is almost equivalent to the viewing angles of an average CRT. In addition to the wide viewing angle, MVA LCD shows NO color distortion and is perfect for high-end applications and desktop monitors.

The productivity and quality were also dramatically improved for MVA LCDs due to the total elimination of "rubbing" process which is required to align LC molecules in the standard LCD manufacturing. The new "protrusion" designed on the TFT substrates and on the color filter substrates automatically controls the alignment of the LC molecules and therefore, eliminating any need for the conventional rubbing process. By eliminating the rubbing, the chances of LC contamination has also been decreased tremendously.

For high contrast, MVA LCDs uses vertical alignment layer and negative LCs. Polarizers are adhered to the out side surface of both glass substrates at 90 degrees to each other. This structure differ from a conventional TN LCD in that the LC molecules of VA LCD are aligned vertically, rather than parallel, to the glass substrate when the applied voltage is off. This increases the LC molecules' ability to block light in the off-voltage state, resulting in a very dark black level and an extremely high contrast ratio of 300:1.

The following table compares the performance of Fujitsu's MVA TFT LCD to the conventional TN TFT LCD.

MVA-TFT specifications


MVA LCDTN LCD (conventional)
Viewing Angle(CR>10)
Vertical:160 deg., or more45 deg.
Horizontal:160 deg., or more
(symmetric)		80 deg.
(asymmetric)
Contrast ratio300 : 1 or more100 :1
Response timeless than 25 ms50 ms
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very very impressive, maybe the best results ive seen so far:

3.8ms reported, 3800:1 and 6500:1 with HDR static contrast ratio with local dimming from other reviewer, no smearing of any kind reported from this uploader.
 
ors said:
Look at the spikes, 38 vs 5.4 average, you will definitely see that as smearing in games.



In my experience this is just not true. Black is visibly more gray on IPS but that's pretty much it. I find IPS to be the do it all monitor for when you only want 1 monitor. VA you can forget for games, slower ones even for movies and desktop use due to the smearing they produce.
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forget games and movies with VA panel? lol, is that why all Samsung and Sony TV's are all VA panels? and there are no issues with with them.

do you even have a clue what you're saying? but i am sure you just copy and paste the info you read from other forums from people who cant admit their mistake for paying $1600 for 800:1 contrast ratio monitor that looks like utter trash.

this VA panel is faster than most IPS panels out there, as you can see:

Skip to 9:15 there is no ghosting or black smearing, this one is a gem.
 
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do you even have a clue what you're saying? but i am sure you just copy and paste the info you read from other forums from people who cant admit their mistake for paying $1600 for 800:1 contrast ratio monitor that looks like utter trash.
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I talk from personal experience I had with 3 different VA screens, all of which had major smearing which no reviewer mentioned. Only had IPS before and never saw any smearing on any of those. So maybe try some VA screens yourself before accusing others of not knowing what they talk about...

You can find a lot of videos and reviews since that mention how most VA screens smear, even the faster ones (https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-326m6vjrmb/ for example see "Responsiveness in games and movies" for what I mean, it is known as a VA panel "trait" better ones will exhibit it less but it's still there even on high refresh ones due to the spikes I mention (38 vs 5.4 average) and no, even slower IPS panels won't have those spikes, so saying it's faster than an IPS is just not true).
 
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I've had 2 VA TVs (both Samsung). The first one was a 2016 $500 4K TV, so not high end at all, and the ghosting/smearing was pretty bad.

I mean, it was usable, and I still had a lot of fun playing games on it, but it was hard to ignore. The 2018 Samsung Q7F I got is also VA but much better (though it was around $1,500).

So VA can look good. I've run this TV at 120Hz and it holds up. Still not TN level but acceptable and okay. However, for my PC I am using IPS, which I find to be better quality overall.
 
For the 1% of people who need accurate colors, no smearing, ect; they'll have to wait and see how this monitor turns out after awhile. But i think for most people they probably could care less about all the specifics as long as it looks okay, it will be "Purdy Good" for them. :cool:
 
Tempted to buy this off ebay from Korea since they have it in stock the USA store has preorders but if something happened in shipping not sure how the return process would pan out.

This might be a short production monitor where it never really does mass production.
 
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679,000 views in one day there goes my chance of getting one I was wondering who was buying them on ebay.
 
The best thing about the G7 is that it can do 10bit color at 240hz with HDR using DCS with a 20 series nvidia gpu. With 10 series you have to use 144hz.

It can also play native 4k movies at 1440p, big win.
 
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amazing results, this thing is a beast.
 
Website says July 30th release here in Canada. Definitely getting the 32" version.
 
Aix. said:
Website says July 30th release here in Canada. Definitely getting the 32" version.
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I pre-ordered the 32" also. It is nice to see Samsung getting serious in the monitor space. The G9 looks pretty cool but watching the Linus video of it today and damn that thing is huge.
 
vegeta535 said:
I pre-ordered the 32" also. It is nice to see Samsung getting serious in the monitor space. The G9 looks pretty cool but watching the Linus video of it today and damn that thing is huge.
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I'm just not interested in ultrawide...well, I am, but my previous experience with triple monitors was that support for ultrawide was hit or miss and I'm not going to shell out that kind of money to play games with black bars on the screen. Fun as fuck when everything works as it should though.
 
I just want one of these UW makers to come out with some good triple monitor emulation so you can play a game in a 16:9 window in the middle and have other windows open on the edges and still have gsync work.
 
Aix. said:
I'm just not interested in ultrawide...well, I am, but my previous experience with triple monitors was that support for ultrawide was hit or miss and I'm not going to shell out that kind of money to play games with black bars on the screen. Fun as fuck when everything works as it should though.
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Plenty of games with native support. If not, there might be a mod, patch, or hack to make it happen.
 
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Plenty of games with native support. If not, there might be a mod, patch, or hack to make it happen.
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Personally I don't play a lot of single player games, so my opinion is based on that. Currently my FPS game is Overwatch which doesn't support 21:9 let alone 32:9. Valorant is another recent game to lock 16:9, as does Fortnite. The Battlefield games were great for ultrawide, although I haven't played anything beyond BF4.

Realistically though, I'd need some serious hardware to drive a 5120x1440 resolution at 120-240 Hz and with GPU prices being what they've been I think I'll stay at regular 1440p.
 
Aix. said:
Personally I don't play a lot of single player games, so my opinion is based on that. Currently my FPS game is Overwatch which doesn't support 21:9 let alone 32:9. Valorant is another recent game to lock 16:9, as does Fortnite. The Battlefield games were great for ultrawide, although I haven't played anything beyond BF4.

Realistically though, I'd need some serious hardware to drive a 5120x1440 resolution at 120-240 Hz and with GPU prices being what they've been I think I'll stay at regular 1440p.
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If competitive shooters are your thing, don't buy one of these. Period. These are great monitors for other games but for first person shooters I definitely prefer something narrower.
 
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