Samsung may unveil a true 'zero bezel' TV

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How much cash ya got?

"It's safe to presume that any possible bezel-free TV would be expensive. Samsung developed the necessary chip with 8K in mind, and the combination of an exotic design with a large panel could make even 'ordinary' 8K TVs seem like bargains. Much like other flagship TVs of years past, you might be paying as much for bragging rights as you are for the underlying technology."

https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/30...YG5f4sdb17mxhXFTLohlAgZkVE4CQ0XRbI5uqrVnIPz8A
 

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I don't understand the hate of bezels.

I mean, sure, by all means, make them small or make them go away, but unless you are doing a multi-monitor setup, or are EXTREMELY space limited, I'd think that you give up more than you gain by going ultra-thin and bezel free.
 

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OLED or nothing.
I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.
 

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I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.
QLED is even better than 4K Plasma ?? @

World's biggest TV: Panasonic's 4K2K 3D 152-inch Plasma
 

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I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.

On BF you could get a 65" OLED for $1500. Sure, it's not a Spectre, Insignia or HiSense... but does ok against the top of the line LED LCDs (e.g. Samsung Q80/Q90).

Edit: I did mean Sceptre, but 007 fans are now waiting for this new TV.

Truth, get a HiSense if you're not ready for OLED. Why? Because there's some changes that will force a re-purchase coming (limits buyers remorse). If money is the sole driving factor.
 
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On BF you could get a 65" OLED for $1500. Sure, it's not a Spectre, Insignia or HiSense... but does ok against the top of the line LED LCDs (e.g. Samsung Q80/Q90).

Truth, get a HiSense if you're not ready for OLED. Why? Because there's some changes that will force a re-purchase coming (limits buyers remorse). If money is the sole driving factor.

I'm struggling to decode this post. BF? Totally lost me.

And then you seem to suggest Spectre, Insignia or HiSense are good brands? I thought these were garbage noname brands compared to the big boys like Samsung and LG.

All that said, I wouldn't put an electronic product from a Chinese brand in my house if they paid me.

With Panasonic and Sony being mere shadows of their former selves, and Philips having gone to the Chinese, the only two brands I'd look at when it comes to TV's today are Samsung and LG.
 
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I don't understand the hate of bezels
Only thing I hate about bezels on TVs is that they are almost always black gloss, which is an idiotic design choice since having a shiny jet-back surface is bad for perceived contrast on anything other than an OLED screen. IPS and VA panels are best off with a matted dark-grey finish, but we can't have that, because that would actually make sense.
 

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Only thing I hate about bezels on TVs is that they are almost always black gloss, which is an idiotic design choice since having a shiny jet-back surface is bad for perceived contrast on anything other than an OLED screen. IPS and VA panels are best off with a matted dark-grey finish, but we can't have that, because that would actually make sense.
I can see that in theory. Looking at my monitoris infront of me, they are all matte black. My Panasoinc Plasma has shiny bezels though, but in practice it has never bothered me. Not sure why. Maybe in my setup I just don't have a problem with reflection?
 

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I can see that in theory. Looking at my monitoris infront of me, they are all matte black. My Panasoinc Plasma has shiny bezels though, but in practice it has never bothered me. Not sure why. Maybe in my setup I just don't have a problem with reflection?
It's not so much about reflections as much as it is to do with the fact that when you have a bezel that is a deeper black than what the panel can produce, it makes it look worse in terms of perceived contrast. Reflections from the panel lighting itself can also play a part depending on the proximity of the display to a wall or other surface, but that's usually not a big deal unless you have your screen wedged way into the back of an AV cabinet or something.

This is definitely one of those things that most people wouldn't care about, but for those who do, once you've taken note of it, it's kinda difficult to overlook. At least it's something that really isn't much of a concern anymore with bezels getting slimmer and slimmer on large displays, but for smaller units like those that you'd consider for a bedroom or some other auxiliary purpose, they still tend to suck.
 

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I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.
I have 2 OLEDs, first one gets some light retention but from 2015 but the next gen Panasonic I use as a monitor and is waaaay better. They get massively better with each gen.
 

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I have a 55" Vizio and it has a shinny black bezel. If it's night and a room lamp is turned on it does reflect off the bezel but then it does the same off the screen as well. I'll wager that it will do the same to some extent if the finish on the bezel was matte.

That being said, if manufacturing a matte bezel cost the same as a shinny one I fail to see why MFG's don't just switch over to a matte finish
 

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why so harsh, and why don't you care? :(

Because current bezels are already small enough, AND black enough to fade into the background.

Unless you're looking to spend 50k or more on a TV wall (4x4, or larger), the tiny size of bezels on premium TVs is unnoticeable.

And don't they already have a product aimed at that Ludicrous-Mode tiny market, with the bezel-less microLED built in pieces?
 
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I'm struggling to decode this post. BF? Totally lost me.

And then you seem to suggest Spectre, Insignia or HiSense are good brands? I thought these were garbage noname brands compared to the big boys like Samsung and LG.

All that said, I wouldn't put an electronic product from a Chinese brand in my house if they paid me.

With Panasonic and Sony being mere shadows of their former selves, and Philips having gone to the Chinese, the only two brands I'd look at when it comes to TV's today are Samsung and LG.
Moderator's block? BF = Black Friday.

High end Samsung is roughly the same cost as an LG OLED (in some cases, it's actually more). Nuff said.
 

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I'm struggling to decode this post. BF? Totally lost me.

And then you seem to suggest Spectre, Insignia or HiSense are good brands? I thought these were garbage noname brands compared to the big boys like Samsung and LG.

All that said, I wouldn't put an electronic product from a Chinese brand in my house if they paid me.

With Panasonic and Sony being mere shadows of their former selves, and Philips having gone to the Chinese, the only two brands I'd look at when it comes to TV's today are Samsung and LG.
Nothing wrong will h Sony. They still make great TVs just not for the cost. Their OLEDs while use LG panels have superior image processing. They just lack HDMI 2.1 and the damn price. The LG can be had for half the price. I have a 65"and c9 and can't be any happier with it.
 

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I don't understand the hate of bezels.

I mean, sure, by all means, make them small or make them go away, but unless you are doing a multi-monitor setup, or are EXTREMELY space limited, I'd think that you give up more than you gain by going ultra-thin and bezel free.
I actually dislike the lack of bezels. Because when you have to carry it and move it around where the hell do you put your fingers so you do not put too much pressure on the panel? It makes me anxious.
 
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I like bezels. I like having something to grab onto when I need to move it. I like having something there holding the damn screen together and I like having something there giving structural reinforcement. And that's just for TVs and monitors.

I even like bezels on my phone. At the top it's a wonderful place to put things like cameras, speakers and status lights. On the bottom it's a great place to put microphones and physical buttons. I even like small bezels on the sides, especially if there's a small raised lip all the way around. It's a great way to help protect the screen and hold onto the phone without accidentally activating the touch screen.

I have never understood this irrational hatred of bezels.
 

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I like bezels. I like having something to grab onto when I need to move it. I like having something there holding the damn screen together and I like having something there giving structural reinforcement. And that's just for TVs and monitors.

I even like bezels on my phone. At the top it's a wonderful place to put things like cameras, speakers and status lights. On the bottom it's a great place to put microphones and physical buttons. I even like small bezels on the sides, especially if there's a small raised lip all the way around. It's a great way to help protect the screen and hold onto the phone without accidentally activating the touch screen.

I have never understood this irrational hatred of bezels.
Oh don't get me started on those curved phones. Not only did they get rid of bezels they go their way to make sure your touch something by bending the screen to be as close to your fingertips as possible. :banghead:
 

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I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.
Did you see Rting's youtube vid where they did burn-in tests on LG's C7 (2017 models) OLEDs from last year? They ran them for 20/7 for over a year (simulating several years of real-world use) and the only time they saw any burn in was when the TV was left on CNN the whole time and the CNN logo and a person's silhouette in the middle of the screen. They had multiple identical TVs running different types of content like games with static HUD elements (CoD, FIFA, etc.) and there was only slight burn-in on FIFA that could only be detected by looking at test patterns.

Seemed good enough for me, so I pulled the trigger on a 65" B9 for sale over BF that was $1699 tax free. If it lasts be 8+ years at least before I see any burn-in, I'll be happy with that and will replace it as my primary TV at that point anyways and will relocate this one where I won't care about whatever potential burn-in in may have. But as insinuated by Rtings there too; there's evidence that the current OLEDs will be even more resistant than the 2017 models in that test.

On BF you could get a 65" OLED for $1500. Sure, it's not a Spectre, Insignia or HiSense... but does ok against the top of the line LED LCDs (e.g. Samsung Q80/Q90).

Truth, get a HiSense if you're not ready for OLED. Why? Because there's some changes that will force a re-purchase coming (limits buyers remorse). If money is the sole driving factor.
Was it an LG? The cheapest LG OLED I saw over BF was the B9 I got for $1699 tax free from Aafes (I'm former military and work on a military installation). They have the C9 on sale too still for $1999, but I don't care to pay $300 more for a bit more HDR brightness (that's pretty much the only noticeable difference between the B9 and C9). But I specifically wanted an LG OLED for HDMI 2.1 and VRR/G-Sync/Freesync for future gaming consoles that should take advantage of it and also my PC if I want to hook it up at some point. Other OLED TVs (Panasonic, Hisense) I've seen don't support that.

Still rocking a 50" Panasonic plasma from 2010. Not sure when I'll replace it.
My parents have a 720p Panasonic (I think) Plasma from 2005 or so and it has some pretty bad burn-in from news banners at the bottom it looks like. Hows yours holding up?
 

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I prefer some bezel, gives a hand hold for those times you need to move the thing. The 3/4" bezel my current one has is plenty. The largest non-smart Samsung that would fit in the entertainment center I had at the time that was built during the era of CRT TVs.
 

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I actually dislike the lack of bezels. Because when you have to carry it and move it around where the hell do you put your fingers so you do not put too much pressure on the panel? It makes me anxious.
This. I was setting up 65" OLED and the anxiety was real. It wasn't that heavy but fuck I did had a hard time handling it since the TV was basically just the screen itself.
 
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Did you see Rting's youtube vid where they did burn-in tests on LG's C7 (2017 models) OLEDs from last year? They ran them for 20/7 for over a year (simulating several years of real-world use) and the only time they saw any burn in was when the TV was left on CNN the whole time and the CNN logo and a person's silhouette in the middle of the screen. They had multiple identical TVs running different types of content like games with static HUD elements (CoD, FIFA, etc.) and there was only slight burn-in on FIFA that could only be detected by looking at test patterns.

Seemed good enough for me, so I pulled the trigger on a 65" B9 for sale over BF that was $1699 tax free. If it lasts be 8+ years at least before I see any burn-in, I'll be happy with that and will replace it as my primary TV at that point anyways and will relocate this one where I won't care about whatever potential burn-in in may have. But as insinuated by Rtings there too; there's evidence that the current OLEDs will be even more resistant than the 2017 models in that test.



Was it an LG? The cheapest LG OLED I saw over BF was the B9 I got for $1699 tax free from Aafes (I'm former military and work on a military installation). They have the C9 on sale too still for $1999, but I don't care to pay $300 more for a bit more HDR brightness (that's pretty much the only noticeable difference between the B9 and C9). But I specifically wanted an LG OLED for HDMI 2.1 and VRR/G-Sync/Freesync for future gaming consoles that should take advantage of it and also my PC if I want to hook it up at some point. Other OLED TVs (Panasonic, Hisense) I've seen don't support that.



My parents have a 720p Panasonic (I think) Plasma from 2005 or so and it has some pretty bad burn-in from news banners at the bottom it looks like. Hows yours holding up?
There were 65" OLEDs around $1500 for B8. I got a 65" c9 for $1800.
 

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I like bezels. I like having something to grab onto when I need to move it. I like having something there holding the damn screen together and I like having something there giving structural reinforcement. And that's just for TVs and monitors.

I even like bezels on my phone. At the top it's a wonderful place to put things like cameras, speakers and status lights. On the bottom it's a great place to put microphones and physical buttons. I even like small bezels on the sides, especially if there's a small raised lip all the way around. It's a great way to help protect the screen and hold onto the phone without accidentally activating the touch screen.

I have never understood this irrational hatred of bezels.
How often do you move your tv LOL
 

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You must not be married!
I am. The only time a TV moves is when it’s upgraded. I hang my TVs though because I’m not a savage.

Literally thinking about it.... the only time my TVs ‘move’ is when we moved houses. I haven’t even upgraded in 3 years.
How often are you moving your TVs? Might be easier to move on from the wife.
 

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I am. The only time a TV moves is when it’s upgraded. I hang my TVs though because I’m not a savage.

Literally thinking about it.... the only time my TVs ‘move’ is when we moved houses. I haven’t even upgraded in 3 years.
How often are you moving your TVs? Might be easier to move on from the wife.
I have to move the TV from time to time to make cleaning behind the TV easier.
 

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Everyone talking about bezels and OLED and I'm just sitting here thinking "Where can I find a new quality TV without all the unnecessary hardware and software? I've got PCs and boxes for that other stuff...". Seriously, what's the point of most of it when the average user will hook it up to a cable box that has most of that stuff per-installed? (when I set up my parents new cable box it had everything available from basic cable to popular streaming services like netflix, prime tv, hulu, youtube, even some obscure ones I've never heard of)

Hell, I don't think I know anyone who uses the stuff that comes on their TVs. they all use the cable box provided, a HTPC/PC/laptop, or custom box...
 

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Everyone talking about bezels and OLED and I'm just sitting here thinking "Where can I find a new quality TV without all the unnecessary hardware and software? I've got PCs and boxes for that other stuff...". Seriously, what's the point of most of it when the average user will hook it up to a cable box that has most of that stuff per-installed? (when I set up my parents new cable box it had everything available from basic cable to popular streaming services like netflix, prime tv, hulu, youtube, even some obscure ones I've never heard of)

Hell, I don't think I know anyone who uses the stuff that comes on their TVs. they all use the cable box provided, a HTPC/PC/laptop, or custom box...
I used to be like that, but a lot of streaming services don't support the highest resolution, surround sound, etc on PC.

Now I only use the apps on the TV. I don't have cable, I use a bunch of streaming services and they all have apps on the TV. I have a bunch of movies on my PC that I simply file share to the TV through an app on the TV. The TV can use all these apps to play video at their native refresh rates so you don't get any stutter from frame rate mismatch, you get 4k HDR and surround sound, the TV can have it's picture mode set per app, etc.

The only thing I have hooked up is a PC that I only use for gaming.

Most people I know only use the Apps on the TV because it's easier and they don't need to buy anything extra. I do it because it provides the best picture and sound quality.
 

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Everyone talking about bezels and OLED and I'm just sitting here thinking "Where can I find a new quality TV without all the unnecessary hardware and software? I've got PCs and boxes for that other stuff...". Seriously, what's the point of most of it when the average user will hook it up to a cable box that has most of that stuff per-installed? (when I set up my parents new cable box it had everything available from basic cable to popular streaming services like netflix, prime tv, hulu, youtube, even some obscure ones I've never heard of)

Hell, I don't think I know anyone who uses the stuff that comes on their TVs. they all use the cable box provided, a HTPC/PC/laptop, or custom box...
Panasonic OLED is very barebones compared to my LG, highly recommended.
 

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I used to be like that, but a lot of streaming services don't support the highest resolution, surround sound, etc on PC.

Now I only use the apps on the TV. I don't have cable, I use a bunch of streaming services and they all have apps on the TV. I have a bunch of movies on my PC that I simply file share to the TV through an app on the TV. The TV can use all these apps to play video at their native refresh rates so you don't get any stutter from frame rate mismatch, you get 4k HDR and surround sound, the TV can have it's picture mode set per app, etc.

The only thing I have hooked up is a PC that I only use for gaming.

Most people I know only use the Apps on the TV because it's easier and they don't need to buy anything extra. I do it because it provides the best picture and sound quality.
What do you connect your TV to? I don't use a Pfsense box or custom firewall, so kind of weary of direct-connecting anything to the router w/o customizable security (really should quit sitting on setting up pfsense).
 

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What do you connect your TV to? I don't use a Pfsense box or custom firewall, so kind of weary of direct-connecting anything to the router w/o customizable security (really should quit sitting on setting up pfsense).
just a basic network switch that connects to the modem. The modem just has the standard firewall stuff.
 

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Sounds like the problem is some people with ADHD or other problem can't stop the Bezel from distracting them. Ok. You're now going to be distracted by the edge of the screen floating in space off of the wall.
 
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