Samsung F2380 vs F2380mx

Head phone jack is on the left hand side. The original model did not have speakers of any sort.

Black depth is 0.04cd/m2 normally when hooked up via DVI. I have not hooked up the MX to my pc via hdmi yet, I was just messing around with the black level settings on consoles.
 
Head phone jack is on the left hand side. The original model did not have speakers of any sort.

Black depth is 0.04cd/m2 normally when hooked up via DVI. I have not hooked up the MX to my pc via hdmi yet, I was just messing around with the black level settings on consoles.

Ah, ok, so if I have the 360 hooked up to HDMI.. it prob wont have a black level of .04 cd2/m? Are your measurements and settings for use with the pc and dvi or will they work for hdmi with the 360 aswell?? Thanks in advance!

P.S. the monitor has speakers?!?
 
P.S. the monitor has speakers?!?

yes it amazingly does have speakers even though it doesn't look like there are, and it can actually grab the audio from HDMI as well. Obviously the quality isnt that great. Think cheap PC speakers. But it is a nifty feature and I was using it when testing how the 360 runs on the monitor.
 
At what kind of distance and angle range?

Does it interfere severely with the image when viewed head on?

I sit about an arm's length from it. When viewed head on, the very very edges (about .5"?), the colors are slightly shifted. By no means bad, but the viewing angles rating on this thing are definitely exaggerated. Viewing angles are just slightly better than a TN to me..:rolleyes:

Luckily, the contrast IS amazing, and lives up to its rating. ;)
 
Check out Prad's viewing angle thoughts for the original F2380
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2009/review-samsung-f2380-part5.html#Viewing

I would imagine the MX is the same if not better. I never compared the MX to the original as I accpeted the mediocraty of TN panel viewing angles years ago which doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Thanks. I've already read and re-read this, along with just about all discussion about PVA I can find on the internet.

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Luckily, the contrast IS amazing, and lives up to its rating. ;)

Thanks for your input. I have the opportunity to get an EV2333W which has the same LTM230HP01, but I am in a true deadlock about whether it will be satisfying enough coming from an IPS monitor to purchase and not regret.
 
Check out Prad's viewing angle thoughts for the original F2380
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2009/review-samsung-f2380-part5.html#Viewing

I would imagine the MX is the same if not better. I never compared the MX to the original as I accpeted the mediocraty of TN panel viewing angles years ago which doesn't bother me in the slightest.


Here are some more pics.
F2380 vs Dell 2209WA
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1035832837&postcount=102

Meh, you've already seen those Whoisthisreally!
 
I have the opportunity to get an EV2333W which has the same LTM230HP01, but I am in a true deadlock about whether it will be satisfying enough coming from an IPS monitor to purchase and not regret.

Same as normal for PVA: some black crush in the middle of the screen and some washout in the corners. Just normal.
If you don't mind PVA and this size/resolution, you will like this monitor.
 
I'm thinking about buying the F2380mx. Would it be a good choice for coding/movie/light gaming (COD and BF2 infantry). Such a shame it's 16:9 arghh

I hesitate between the F2380mx and the 2209WA which I owned 3 times eheh
 
I'm thinking about buying the F2380mx. Would it be a good choice for coding/movie/light gaming (COD and BF2 infantry). Such a shame it's 16:9 arghh

I hesitate between the F2380mx and the 2209WA which I owned 3 times eheh

For that I would go with F2380MX.
 
Nice response....


I can elaborate.
FYI
600:1 CR range belongs to older S-IPS generation.
The last S-IPS generation range was up to 700:1
First H-IPS generation is up to 800:1 (1000:1 with RGB LED)
Current H-IPS range is up to 900:1.
All those are just stupid CR numbers without looking into other details.
So... When someone (a forum newbie or even so-called "professional reviewer") is posting 600:1 for a new IPS... it's more likely a problem of the reviewer.
Yes, there can be a wrong product, but the first thought is about the wrong reviewer :(
As a newbie in monitors (not by number of posts, but by their content), you will benefit from learning how to read and understand reviews.
There is much trash even in so-called "pro" reviews.
As a fanatic gamer you tend to frequent digitalversus which treats you with some input lag/ghosting delights. Needless to say that one should take that as a rough approximation, but relying on the rest of the info is like dining at a gas station (I exaggerate a bit - just to make it more clear).
Earlier I asked you about the measured results of the calibration you did.
You failed to provide any info.
It says that you don't know what you actually did.
You also failed to comment why TN looks better that PVA on some of your pictures.
So is the level of competence of the "reviewer".
That's why I told you once that such a "review" can be considered as valid opinion, not a valid review.
And you make things worse playing with blind CR numbers in defferent threads here without understanding that isolated CR numbers themselves mean little. And even worse - you play with wrong numbers.

Ghosting/streaking issues is a different story. You are obviously a gaming fanatic (it's a compliment for the purpose of this paragraph! :)) So I take your observations here very seriously. Moreover, when I happen to comment on this new model, I rely on your info (in that department).

Best wishes. :)
 
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Range Up to.....ok so all the Pro's are wrong because you say so?

Static contrast ratio is what matters, it's all good and well that a IPS panel can reach 900:1 when set to some ridiculous peak brightness, but hey pretty much ANY type of LCD can reach that value, but will also suffer from a horendous black value of over 0.20cd/m2.

Once calibrated is a different story (which is what matters) and many IPS panels like the Dell 2209WA are between 550:-700:1 @ 120cd/m2 (and still have horrendous black values)

Quote me on failing to provide info....

Further more when you asked about why the "TN" looked better it was ver, very, very obvious you didn't read (or can't understand) when I clearly stated that the Samsung PX2370 had a poor black level when hooked up to consoles (I even provided PC pictures where the PX2370 clearly had better image quality).

Also read Prad.de's review of the Samsung 2494 which also seems to have the same issue the PX2370 did...
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2009/review-samsung-2494hm-part15.html


By failing to read any of that and just clicking on random picutres of the F2380MX in my Samsung PX2370 review thread I can see why you would deduce that it has black crush.

If you would like I can put the F2380 next to the MX and take the same picture of the same scene from the Constantine movie to show that there is no black crush. .

Unfortunately I have no way of pinpointing the actual "gamma," value as all the programs I have used (Eye One Match, BasICColor, Color Eyes Pro) only seem to round to 2.2 (meaning that all the monitors I have tested are very close to the 2.2 value), other wise I would be more than happy to provide the exact value.

Tell me what calibration program to buy/try O wise one that is reasonably priced and I would be more than happy to give you the exact values.
 
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So... When someone (a forum newbie or even so-called "professional reviewer") is posting 600:1 for a new IPS... it's more likely a problem of the reviewer.
Yes, there can be a wrong product, but the first thought is about the wrong reviewer :(

Pretty much. Especially considering the contrast ratio on the 2209WA is dependent on the contrast OSD setting. If prad.de got 920:1, 10e got 800:1 and the abandoned lcdreviewz site got 800:1, all at similar brightness settings, I would begin to question why a site like FPHD measured reduced performance.
 
I can elaborate.
FYI
600:1 CR range belongs to older S-IPS generation.
The last S-IPS generation range was up to 700:1
First H-IPS generation is up to 800:1 (1000:1 with RGB LED)
Current H-IPS range is up to 900:1.
All those are just stupid CR numbers without looking into other details.
So... When someone (a forum newbie or even so-called "professional reviewer") is posting 600:1 for a new IPS... it's more likely a problem of the reviewer.
Yes, there can be a wrong product, but the first thought is about the wrong reviewer :(
As a newbie in monitors (not by number of posts, but by their content), you will benefit from learning how to read and understand reviews.
There is much trash even in so-called "pro" reviews.
As a fanatic gamer you tend to frequent digitalversus which treats you with some input lag/ghosting delights. Needless to say that one should take that as a rough approximation, but relying on the rest of the info is like dining at a gas station (I exaggerate a bit - just to make it more clear).
Earlier I asked you about the measured results of the calibration you did.
You failed to provide any info.
It says that you don't know what you actually did.
You also failed to comment why TN looks better that PVA on some of your pictures.
So is the level of competence of the "reviewer".
That's why I told you once that such a "review" can be considered as valid opinion, not a valid review.
And you make things worse playing with blind CR numbers in defferent threads here without understanding that isolated CR numbers themselves mean little. And even worse - you play with wrong numbers.

Ghosting/streaking issues is a different story. You are obviously a gaming fanatic (it's a compliment for the purpose of this paragraph! :)) So I take your observations here very seriously. Moreover, when I happen to comment on this new model, I rely on your info (in that department).

Best wishes. :)


Are you the one that did the blog on the original F2380?? I notice that every post you do pretty much is to say that PVA is horrible. So my question is what program should we use to measure STATIC contrast ratios?? You say he is posting blind contrast ratios yet not ONCE have you provided information contrary to what he is saying.

All you do is keep posting the manufactures contrast ratios.. which mean NOTHING.

it is very clear to all that you have been trolling in any thread about the F2380 and the F2380MX.... what monitor would you recommend then??
 
Are .................

If you have questions/remarks, please put them in the form that make sense.

I can pick up 2 items (the rest is BS).

Yes, I published the first F2380 test in the net (after that chinese website).
You can measure (calculate) CR with LaCie Blue Eye Pro or SpectraView II software and the compatible colorimeter.
 
NCX, would you happen to have Bioshock 1 or 2? If so I'd like to see you take some pictures with your camera. That would be a good game to test for black crush

I have a NEC EA231WMi right now that I bought from NCIX a few months and I don't have any complaints about it but I'm just curious about the F2380MX
 
You could try to download the Bioshock demo if you have a 360 or PC.

Better yet, try to take a picture while displaying this as the wallpaper
http://browse.deviantart.com/custom...een/?q=flower pink&order=9&offset=24#/d1h054m

I'm sure you've seen this comparison between the 2209WA vs the F2380
http://www.it.com.cn/diy/bigimg/2009/06/14/06/539511_63.html



I'm definately not good photographer when it comes to accurately capturing pics, my camera is a Canon Powershot SD1200IS, but I will try:

mx2flower004.jpg

mx2flower028.jpg
 
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If you have questions/remarks, please put them in the form that make sense.

I can pick up 2 items (the rest is BS).

Yes, I published the first F2380 test in the net (after that chinese website).
You can measure (calculate) CR with LaCie Blue Eye Pro or SpectraView II software and the compatible colorimeter.

Fair enough.

When you say NCX is posting crazy numbers... what do you mean by this?

Do you have any numbers or facts that show his numbers are incorrect?

You offered manufactures contrast ratios for IPS panels, have you measured them like NCX did?

Can you prove that his numbers are incorrect?

Is this clear enough to understand?
 
Thanks NCX, it doesn't look as bad as that it.com shot at all.

Is this with all your calibrations applied?
 
Yes calibration, but I turned up the brightness a bit.

I can't stress enough that there is no black crush. Once I get HCFR working properly I will measure the gamma.

The reason being as to why I cant give pinpoint gamma is because Eye One Match rounds the recorded values up. If the gamma value is between 2.15 and 2.2, the value will be 2.2. If you check prade.de review of the original f2380 I believe the gamma value was 2.15, hence the black crush.

Next to my calibrated PX2370 there is no black crush, I cant stress this enough. Both of the trial programs i haved use like BasICColor and color Eyes pro also say the MX gamma value is 2.2, not sure if they round , but I did measure 2.2 for all the monitors I have tested (LG.W2361v, Samsung PX2370, Acer. G245H, VeiwSonic VX2739)
 
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You could try to download the Bioshock demo if you have a 360 or PC.

Better yet, try to take a picture while displaying this as the wallpaper
http://browse.deviantart.com/custom...een/?q=flower pink&order=9&offset=24#/d1h054m

I'm sure you've seen this comparison between the 2209WA vs the F2380
http://www.it.com.cn/diy/bigimg/2009/06/14/06/539511_63.html

I just tried the wallpaper on my F2380mx, and I can assure you, the F2380MX looks better than the 2209WA in that picture comparison.

Have not used a calibrator on my monitor, just adjusted settings to my own liking.

It actually looks kind of bad in NCX's pictures, but it actually looks way better than his pics in person.
 
Best to include the source image for comparison

Pretty_In_Pink_by_juliekoesmarno.jpg


Oh, and NCX, I have been thinking of this:

Considering you have a colorimeter, you could offer your ICC profile to other users along with a settings guide. This isn't perfect, but it should be very successful for other users. Maybe someone else could test it and report back the result.
 
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Fair enough.

When you say NCX is posting crazy numbers... what do you mean by this?

Do you have any numbers or facts that show his numbers are incorrect?

Can you prove that his numbers are incorrect?

It's pretty much covered in the previous posts.
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You offered manufactures contrast ratios for IPS panels, have you measured them like NCX did?

Is it a question like "Mr. Smith is your brother, why didn't you invite his wife?"
Do I really need to explain that Mr. Smith is not my brother, and he is not married?:)
OK.
I did not offer you manufacturers CR, and never heard that the OP ever measured IPS CR.

Interested in the history of monitors?
Search. Read.
Some links are below.
 


It's pretty much covered in the previous posts.
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Is it a question like "Mr. Smith is your brother, why didn't you invite his wife?"
Do I really need to explain that Mr. Smith is not my brother, and he is not married?:)
OK.
I did not offer you manufacturers CR, and never heard that the OP ever measured IPS CR.

Interested in the history of monitors?
Search. Read.
Some links are below.

Your previous posts provide no info, just manufacturer contrast numbers which any one with a brain knows are bs...............

Your review of the Dell 2408 is excellent, you claim it's contrast ratio of over 1000:1 is excellent, but when the original F2380 nearly triples this, it isn't?

albovin said:
Samsung F2380
http://samsungf2380.blogspot.com/

This unit was calibrated using LaCie BluEye Pro kit.
After calibration: White = 137cd/m2, Black = 0.05cd/m2, CR = 2740:1, dE-0.7.

At this point we can note that the promised CR 3000:1 is technically achievable.

But...
This "3000:1" is hidden under calibration probe.
Watch this video.
Did you see those colored circles under the probe?
This is where "3000:1" CR exists.
Is this high CR related to the whole screen?
What is a real conrast ratio of the F2380?

albovin said:
http://monitortest.blogspot.com/

The Dell 2408 demonstrated outstanding contrast ratio and black level values for a 24” monitor. Same or close to the Eizo HD2441W (according to a popular prad.de test magazine).
The contrast ratio is stable within the whole range of brightness.




Only Whoisthisreally has provided any contradictory info, where as you just post conisitent garbage over and over. I have anwsered your questions regarding why the Samsung PX2370 appeared lighter than the MX many times in this thread and in the original Samsung PX2370 Review thread, you simply choose to ignore it, over and over and over and over and over and over and over, only proving my point that you read what you want and ignore the rest, over and over and over. This is NOT an exageration.

If 3 other sites measured the Dell 2209wa to have calibrated contrast ratios of 920:1 and 800:1x2, you still have to average the contrast between the 5 "professional reviewers."

You can't simply say the other 2 are you wrong because you don't agree, that is beyond idiotic (but the expected response).

Only 2x IPS panels have provided good contrast ratios (Dell U2311 and the Fujitsu P22W-5 Eco IPS) once calibrated that are close to the 1000:1 manufacturer claims that I'm aware of.

Fujitusu 12801:1 @ 141cd/m2
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2010/review-fsc-p22w-5.html

Dell U2311 892:1 @ 116cd/m2
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2311h.htm



So if I measure 3000:1 on the F2380MX @ 120cd/m2 and you and Prad.de both measure around 2,500:1

Prad 2340:1 @ 117cd/m2
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2009/review-samsung-f2380-part7.html

Albovin 2740:1 @ 137cd/m2
http://samsungf2380.blogspot.com/

Prad measured 6949:1 @ 139cd/m2 on the improved C-PVA Ezio Ev233
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2009/review-eizo-ev2333wh-bk-part10.html

FlatPanels HD Ezio EV233 2425:1 @ 97cd/m2
http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1271060370

Digital Versus F2380m 3267:1 @ 100cd/m2
http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357-6293-36.html



Then it shouldn't be to much of a stretch for me to say the the Samsung F2380MX can achieve a 3,000:1 contrast ratio @ 120cd/m2 and good calibration results using

BasICColor
http://www.basiccolor.de/english/Datenblaetter_E/display_E/display_E.htm

Eye One Display 2 Colorimeter and Eye One Match 3
http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=788

Color Eyes Pro
http://www.integrated-color.com/cedpro/coloreyesdisplay.html


Or for me to say there is no black crush after calibrating multiple monitors

Samsung PX2370 and Acer G245H
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1525694

ViewSonic VX2739
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1528416

LG W2361V
http://wecravegames.com/forums/show...aming-Panel-Comparison-x9&p=173571#post173571



See what I did there. It's called posting FACTS, learn something.

Most likely this post will be ignored and the trolling shall continue:eek:


F2380MX (bad picks I'm trying)
mx2flower004.jpg

singmx018.jpg


Reference Flower image
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs28/i/2008/170/a/4/Pretty_In_Pink_by_juliekoesmarno.jpg
 
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Do you know the P22W uses the exact same panel as the 2209WA?

No, I don't think CR measurements should be averaged at all.
 
Do you know the P22W uses the exact same panel as the 2209WA?

No, I don't think CR measurements should be averaged at all.

Even so it is moronic to call a site that most would deem professoinal wrong because they achieved slightly different results using different equipment/settings when they usually all provide very similar results when looking at reviews of the same panels.

Doesn't matter if the Dell 2209WA uses the same panel as the P22w-5. Clearly Ezio knows how to provide significant improvement using the same panels as Dell/Samsung.
 
Even so it is moronic to call a site that most would deem professoinal wrong because they achieved slightly different results using different equipment/settings when they usually all provide very similar results when looking at reviews of the same panels.

Doesn't matter if the Dell 2209WA uses the same panel as the P22w-5. Clearly Ezio knows how to provide significant improvement using the same panels as Dell/Samsung.

Well, not wrong, just inconsistent, especially with other measurements which were consistent with our expectations of IPS, particularly since most earlier IPS monitors were doing 800:1.

As for the EIZO EV23 Prad.de measurement, they may have run into trouble with their contrast measurement by using a spectrophotometer. FWIR spectros can have problematic dark state light measurement on displays with such high contrast. I wouldn't rule this possibility out.
 
I don't know what's going on...Too lazy to read through all the disagreement.

But, so what if the original F2380 had black crush? That does not mean it cannot achieve a good contrast ratio, it's just a measure between the lightest and darkest the display can do. The black crush issue appears to be a firmware issue (probably bad image processing algorithm of some sort). Eizo makes crazy monitors and uses the same C-PVA panel.

The F2380mx has no black crush issue that I can see...Here's a pic of the test image on my F2380mx. The room was not pitch black. Also it seems that the anti-glare is making photos a bit hard. In person there is even more detail, and brightness still. It looks much better (more details retained and brighter) than both the 2209 and F2380 in the comparison picture. Mind you my monitor is not calibrated. I've had 3xU2410s, and still have a 2005wfp. In fact I am dragging the test picture between my F2380mx and 2005wfp and there is no black crushing...

35994_404889372756_690442756_4888819_1034557_n.jpg


As for the difference in reviewer's contrast measures, it's pretty dependent on which calibrator is being used. Also whether or not the reviewer knows what they are doing or not...For example, tftcentral?? had a very crappy contrast for their initial hp zr24w review, then posted a 2nd calibration with nearly double the contrast rating that was in their original review...
 
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Unfortunately, it is difficult to maximize the contrast ratio of backlit panels.

Configuring the RGB values found on the monitor or configuring via software does not affect the blacklight, which governs the panel's black levels (ultimately its contrast ratio). For an example, as you decrease the RGB values from 100 to 0, you'll notice that the image becomes dimmer but the black level remains unaffected.

So in order to maximize peak brightness and peak black, the user must maximize the RGB values and may require breaking into the service menu, which is easy to do on Dell monitors (at lest on my 2209WA), but not sure about others. Monitors with poorly implemented (fixed factory) settings may not be able to maximize the panel's ability to display deep blacks or peek whites.


This however is not a problem with self-illuminated displays. Configuring the RGB values directly affect the brightness of RGB sub-pixels, which produce the light. This is why I can't wait for OLED. I can easily calibrate it and maximize its potential.
 
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I don't know what's going on...Too lazy to read through all the disagreement.

But, so what if the original F2380 had black crush? That does not mean it cannot achieve a good contrast ratio, it's just a measure between the lightest and darkest the display can do. The black crush issue appears to be a firmware issue (probably bad image processing algorithm of some sort). Eizo makes crazy monitors and uses the same C-PVA panel.

Center black crush and edge-washout are the effect of limited viewing angles of VA panels (mostly gamma shift). To compensate, the user must increase the viewing distance.
 
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After some testing, 2209WA preforms better via DVI than via VGA in all tests. So it's only possible for maximize the contrast ratio using DVI and the user needs some experience along with software and colorimeter.
 


It's pretty much covered in the previous posts.
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Is it a question like "Mr. Smith is your brother, why didn't you invite his wife?"
Do I really need to explain that Mr. Smith is not my brother, and he is not married?:)
OK.
I did not offer you manufacturers CR, and never heard that the OP ever measured IPS CR.

Interested in the history of monitors?
Search. Read.
Some links are below.


There is some real IRONY here..... You told me to make sense when I post...

And then you post what you did above and it is one of the most cryptic post I have ever read on here. To top it off you have to post it in the smallest font possible!!

Please back up YOUR claims with facts, we would all appreciate it, thank you :)
 
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