Samsung Announces QLED 8K TV for Consumers

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  1. Megalith

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    Samsung will be releasing a QLED 8K TV in September for those who think 4K is already old news. Available in four ultra-large screen sizes (65”, 75”, 82” and 85”), the Q900R offers an 8K-resolution display capable of 4,000-nit peak brightness. Lower-resolution content will be upscaled to 8K UHD quality with the help of artificial intelligence.

    Samsung QLED 8K TV will feature several 8K-ready enhancements, including Real 8K Resolution, Q HDR 8K and Quantum Processor 8K, all created to bring 8K-quality images to life. The new Samsung QLED 8K will be available in stores from end of September.
     
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    Can we please wait until we can do 1080p properly without compressing it to point of it looking like crap? Oh sure, NetFlix claims that they can do 4K but it's compressed to the point of it looking like absolute shit. Why? Because we don't have enough bandwidth to people's homes yet and that won't happen until we all have FTTH/FTTP and yeah... good luck with that.
     
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    This is why I'm still a 1080P whore, plus add to the fact that we may now finally be able to push games at reasonably high graphic settings in 4K resolution, but it's still not a grand slam in that department yet either.

    My eyes are on going to an ultrawide monitor for gaming and keep using the 50inch Panasonic Plasma for at least a few more years for everything else.
     
  4. Vega

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    And uses an HDMI 2.0 input to run 8K at 15 Hz. hahaha
     
  5. exlink

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    We've barely just dipped our toes into 4K. No reason for 8K right now at all.
     
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    It'll make 4k sets cheaper...

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  7. LittleTinyScooby

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    Except for surveillance software which can easily use 8K TV's right now. (Most VMS packages stream more than 8 1080p camera views on screen at the same time).

    Many people are sometimes only 3 feet away from the TV when viewing all the streams simultaneously. It's also not unheard of to have up to 16 streams at once. On an 8K set, all 16 streams could be in their native 1080p resolution at the same time for optimal viewing.
     
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    Wow,...did you hit the nail square on the head. Nicely done.

    We are so far behind the curve in the U.S. 8K has been available in Japan for nearly 3 years now.
     
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    1) An 8K (7880x4320) screen can support 16 "1K" (1920x1080) images at one time, not 8.
    2) There's no need (other than to reduce cost) to use one display for all the cameras in a surveillance system
    3) There's no need display the full resolution of the several images being displayed at all times (even if capture stays at full def and full-def "zoom in" is an option)

    Therefore, there's still no reason for 8K right now.
     
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    No, it won't. 4K will get cheaper because of technology maturity and saturation of the high-end market for it. 8K won't help.
     
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    If you care about image quality, and you stream, you're doing it wrong.
     
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    The rich always rule over the poor, except for temporary insanity like the French Revolution that fortunately collapse pretty damn quick.
    The whole point to being rich is to have power, and the best way to have power is to control the government.
    And so they do. You would, too, if you were rich. Any other course of action is just stupid.
     
  13. Hagrid

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    How much are 8K discs and the players?
     
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    I curious, where do you live, what do you pay for internet and what is your connection/stream capability? On that note, how much is your electric bill and your Doctor visit costs? I want to know because I may move there. *wink*
     
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    It would need to be 4x larger for optimal viewing.
    Although they could sell it with a magnifying glass :p
     
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    So 4 2080ti cards= ?? Fps
     
  17. Zarathustra[H]

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    I have to wonder why.

    At no usable viewing distance and screen size combination would 8k show a discernable difference over 4k.

    With most configurations the benefits of even 4k are questionable at best.

    TV makers have joined camera makers and gone full on "megapixel" madness where the metric is no longer relevant, but it serves a marketing purposes because consumers feel that "bigger number = better".
     
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    4k blurays don't typically look compressed.

    Maybe don't rely on streaming services? They will always be inferior to physical media.
     
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    In downtown Toronto doctor visits are free, albeit borderline useless for anything except major hospital visits; purchase taxes and the cost of living are huge (although property taxes are very reasonable), power is expensive, but I get an unlimited 250/250 fiber connection for 55$ a month... So there's that.
     
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    I just got a 4k tv and 4k blu ray player. Man those 4k blu rays look damn amazing.
     
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    Iunno maybe my eyes are fucked (they are but...you know glasses and contacts) but Netflix 4K looks fine to me. I’ve never cared to try a comparison between 1080p/4K streaming but neither are compressed to looking like shit.
    And yes I can tell when my connection shits and the stream lowers in quality. Earlier this week I had some issues where all streams dropped to like 144p.
    Also yeah, physical will be superior and streaming does have its issues but...I don’t think it’s half as fucked as people on this site make streaming services out to be.
     
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    I replaced two older TVs in my house this year. I bought a last year model Roku 4K TV from Amazon - it was a 65" for $270. It replaced a 1080p 42" TV in my family room. The 42" TV went to the basement and now is used for my kids PS4.
    I was at a Walmart and came across a 55" 4K TV for $199 on clearance. Bought this and replaced a 1080p 32" TV that was in my bedroom. One of my daughters got the old TV.
    I really didn't care about 4k, but thought it made sense at these prices.
    I think I paid $600ish for the 42" TV. (Better than a 50" plasma I used to own - that sucker was over $1000 and lasted just a little bit past warranty.)
     
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    Now I'll be able to watch (e.g.) two full seasons of shows like Glee and Modern Family on Netflix at the same time and be able to get back to the kiddies within an hour.

    (...but all those subtitles, omg, ughhh).
     
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    Shocker at foreigners telling the US population how bad we have it. So tired of hearing that shit when it isn't true.

    And you can't compare any other country to Japan when it comes to electronics and the availability of them. Except to maybe South Korea.

    PROPAGANDA EVERYWHERE.
     
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    I would love to have one of these 82" bad boys as a PC monitor at 60Hz 8k and 120Hz 4k.

    Yes I'm serious. After using a 40" 4k screen with No scaling, I love the raw desktop area and huge fov-ecapsulating view. 80" at the same ppi would be amazing...
     
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    Not big enough ;)
    Although its gonna be some time before 8K PJs become common.
     
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    And yet we still get to watch NFL football in 720p/1080i. Actually all our NA broadcasts. When will FOX/NBC/ABC/CBS go 4k? Likely not in the next 5+ years.

    So yeah don't stand in line to be the first to buy that 8k TV... unless you're a Baller and are going to use it as a giant PC monitor with 4 Titans or whatever to get 30fps.
     
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    8k projectors? What does a good 4k projector cost? 5k? Not trolling, honestly I haven't looked. Projector won't work in my living room (too bright and oddly sized/shaped), and the room one would be perfect in is full of my wife's junk (ie - needs a huge garage sale).
     
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    Oh FANTASTIC! This makes the 1080p sets basically free. I need a 65" 1080p, low input lag, high refresh rate, "TV" for US$ 200.
     
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    Some of you peoples know there is more than netflix in the world? :p Those 4K HDR disc contents in OLED 65" looks sharp! <3 :D
     
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    1. I had mentioned 16 was the total in my post. (Also mentioned that many people only use 8).
    2. There is a need to use one display especially for convenience. It's much easier to have a single TV/monitor instead of 16 different TVs/monitors for a home surveillance system.
    3. There is always a need to display the full resolution of several images being displayed in live view. Many people use live view more than recorded views.

    There are many reasons for 8K in the surveillance industry and for surveillance in the home. I know this because I have an immediate need for it right now with my existing system which is using a standard 4K TV.
     
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    I could do some excel spread sheets on these
     
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    8k would be epic in a regular monitor size. I can see aliasing at 4k on a 27" monitor.

    Am I the first person on the internet to admit that?? :p
     
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    It depends on your needs.
    You can get a respectable quality 4K (ish) pj for around £1.5K, perhaps even £1K.
    The best are £4K or higher but none are best at everything.

    Problems:
    . There are very few with lag below 50mS. I want well below 30mS. My 1080p DLP pj is so low I cant detect it.
    . HDR implementations are too dissimilar. Broadcast (when it happens) and some cameras use HLG. You wont have true HDR if the PJ doesnt support the method needed.
    . To get decent HDR: a) you need a light cannon (ideally above 3K lumens) but not one that makes colours more bland (there are types of DLP colour wheel that do this). b) it must support a very wide gamut (range of colours). Most are still very limited.
    . Most of them are pretend 4K. They claim to give a 4K pixel image but the pixels overlap each other reducing definition/sharpness. True 4K is expensive.
    . Lamp prices can be extravagant, some are low.
    . Laser pjs only last 20K hours and the laser engines cant be replaced despite the high pj purchase price.

    If you want one for movies, want it to look better than 1080p and dont care much about HDR types/quality or gaming, there are quite a lot in the £1K to 2K range.
    For decent PC gaming lag with good quality HDR and brightness I havent found any yet.
     
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    I'm holding out for 16k...
     
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    The current generation of BluRay, triple layer, holds approximately 125 GBs of data. Do you know how much data a 90 minute 4K movie encoded at a proper bitrate is? 477 GBs!!! We can't even stuff a 4K video onto a BluRay yet due to space constraints when encoded at an acceptable bitrate, instead we have to compress it and compress it... oh God do we do that. Oh sure, we can compress 4K to fit onto a BluRay but is it good? No, not if you want the highest quality possible and yes, even 4K BluRay is not capable of delivering that.
    Yeah, I have pretty bad eyesight. Without my glasses my hand is nothing more than a multi-colored blob until my hand is two or three inches from my nose. It's said that unless you have better than 20/20 vision 4K will be completely lost on you. Maybe that's why I don't give a shit about 4K, I can't tell the difference. And besides... you shouldn't be sitting that close to the TV, you'll give yourself eye strain.
     
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    They have that, it's called "Blu-Ray". Physical media isn't dead yet, and for very good reasons.
     
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    I purchased an Optoma UHZ65 4k laser projector last year...and then sold it. The latency was too high for gaming, and the HDR wasn't as impressive as a flat panel. I am currently looking at either a Samsung Q9F or Q900R to replace my 3 year old KS8000 display, depending on pricing this fall. Or I may wait for HDMI 2.1 models to come out next year. The picture quality on flat panels FAR exceeds what you can get from even a $10K projector today...even if it is a bit smaller.
     
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    No, this makes 1080p sets nonexistent. Samsung sells ONE 1080p set currently, a 32". Everything else they make is 4k. It doesn't cost them any more to make a 4k set now than a 1080p set, and they get more money with 4k TVs.

    LG isn't far behind Samsung, as most of their lineup is 4k as well.
     
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    If you listen to the industry they would try and tell you otherwise.