Samsung 8-Inch Wafer Line Contaminated

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  1. Gideon

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    https://www.thefpsreview.com/2019/1...leading-to-billions-of-korean-won-in-damages/

    The reputation of Samsung’s foundry products have suffered a major blow after contaminated equipment was found on an 8-inch wafer line located at the Giheung Plant in Korea. Officials claim that operations have returned to normal, but the damage has already been done, which is “estimated at billions of Korean won.” Experts suggest that the cost could actually be far higher.


    Looks like maybe the rumors of Nvidia being delayed might be true after all.
     
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  2. Jim Kim

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    A billion won is not even 1 million US.
     
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  3. westrock2000

    westrock2000 [H]ardForum Junkie

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    200mm.
    That's a reputation killer!

    Surprised this information was made public...someone maybe leaked it? Stuff like this happens all the time....you don't go announcing it to the world though. Screw the experts...we have in-house experts that claim the sky is falling every time there is an excursion of some kind and they end up being wrong by about a factor of 4x. I guess it's a way of making management think it's not as bad as it could be.
     
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  4. jeremyshaw

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    7nm on a 200mm wafer? Where?
     
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  5. HAL_404

    HAL_404 Limp Gawd

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    quick, start stocking up while you still can :barefoot:
     
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  6. tangoseal

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    Billions of won lol .... here is 5 billion won just to be conservative with the claim

    A whopping 4 million USD for a company whom's 2018 market cap was $326 Billion USD

    Let the great Hard Drive errr silicon shortage of 2019 begin!

    128TB SSD now gonna cost $59.99 USD / GB

    oops ... meant 128 GB lmao

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  7. Derfnofred

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    Dunno about the latter half of your message but EVERYTHING that can be used in a fab line is being used in a fab line, I was told that our lead times for 150mm wafer sputter tool is long because they cannot make enough 300 and 200mm equipment. Could be running a lower precision node for low cost parts or SOI for RF chips, for example.
     
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    Where you getting these 128tb ssds and can you get me 14?
     
  9. tangoseal

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    LMAO talk about a typo ... my sarcastic post just went to the shitter haha... good catch!
     
  10. westrock2000

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    It’s just fab to fab shit talking. We also have 200mm and even some legacy 150mm lines. The tools for that stuff are so old and abused though. Vendors actively cut off support just to force semiconductor industry to pony up cash and buy new stuff. All big money of course. All of us on the production side are stuck working with 10-15 year old tools, buying used parts from god knows where.

    The public doesn’t know their brand new high tech gadget is being made and tested with old ass machines.
     
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    If that is Nvidia again they've had an awfully bad run with impurities..
     
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    Ha! Okay, you're on the inside -- sometimes it's hard to tell ignorance from humor. :) We looked at getting some legacy 150mm stuff for our very basic research fab (and I argued our dollar would go further on 100 mm...), but TCO was too high for unmaintained machines where we don't have a shop to manufacture new parts for us or the know how/space to cannibalize multiple tools to get one working one with a bunch of spare parts. It's gotta be more profitable for vendors to build new tools rather than keep an active legacy support, given the insane demand.
     
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  13. purple_monster

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    8-inch contaminated wafer
     
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    Im guessing its on 300mm?
     
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    I'd venture as well, too. I was curious where OPs original claim (postulated as a question) of Nvidia being delayed was sourced from.
     
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  16. Armenius

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    WCCFTech speculation, as usual. Was mockingly circulated here a few days ago.
    According to WikiChip, everybody is using 300mm (12-inch) wafers for 7nm.
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process

    Sorry to disappoint you, Gideon.
     
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  17. Comixbooks

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    Qvo drives performance
     
  18. Legendary Gamer

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    Yeah, next gen Nvidia boards with a 20% failure rate that the company line is "Less than 2%"... Hope that's not the case. I'm guessing it's not as I believe this only effected 10nm production that was being relegated to Memory. This shouldn't effect Nvidia's next gen cards.

    This isn't as bad as what happened to TSMC with the shoddy chemicals (was that last year or early to mid this one?)
     
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    Not sure why you think I would be disappointed, Samsung is being used by Nvidia and a rumor was floated that next gen cards are delayed and then this news came out. Guess will find out sooner or later if they are related or not.
     
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    Sauce on the 10nm only? Hadn't seen anything so far, they're always pretty coy about that sort of stuff as it's a bad look for a foundry. TSMC was not long after launch of the 2000 series when Kyle was looking in to it..
     
  21. Legendary Gamer

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    Yeah, it's possible I am hallucinating that story. However, I recall reading an article that specified that their 200mm Wafer Fab was, specifically 10nm products (and the article specified it was a memory production line). Their more advanced process is on 300mm Wafers IIRC.

    Here we go:
    https://www.theburnin.com/industry/samsung-factory-dram-chip-contamination-costs-millions-2019-11/
     
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  22. N4CR

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    Ah yes they say DRAM, thank you for the link!
    Man I'd love to get hold of some of those 10k TSMC wafers they threw out...
     
  23. Legendary Gamer

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    Definitely would be cool to have, if nothing else I would have bragging rights with my buddies ;).
     
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