Ryzen Sleep issue...setting?

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Never seen this before.. with my old intel setup if I put the system to sleep it will wake right back up and its good to go quickly. When I put this to sleep manually it does the same.. wake right up. If I allow it to put it's self to sleep it acts more like hibernation. I found hybrid sleep was enabled so I disabled that to see if it fixes the issue. I never had to do this with my Intel setup. Not even sure that setting fixed it until I allow it to go to sleep on it's own again. Right now if I let it go to sleep on its own it comes right back on but I see it loading up all my background programs and not keeping them loaded like normal sleep does.
 

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I've had all sorts of issues with Sleep and Windows 10, and I'm on an Intel CPU. Seems to change patch to patch.
 

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So many things that can be the cause for sleep/wake issues.. where to start..

- Are you on Ryzen Balanced?
- Have you HPET enabled?
- Are you sure you know your HPEt's state, what/if programs that may be activating/deactivating it?
- Have you messed with P-states?
..general..
- BIOS; 'allow wake timers' settings; your triggering may originate from something set in there.
- BIOS's RJ45/WiFi/BT integrated devices settings; can occasionally have extra switches you need look for.
- OS; Device Manager, Universal Serial Bus Controllers; each and every entry, r click for properties, go to power management, check for allow/wake timers.
- OS; Ethernet/Bluetooth/WiFi drivers or suites, can often add wake timers, especially "gaming" crap such as "killer" networks.
- OS; "gaming" devices, including peripherals you may not have originally thought of, such as "gaming" headphones; again timers, check.
- OS, user error; did you mess with something you shouldn't have?

On a personal level, you're in a site called Over Current Protection dedicated to some pretty hardcore PC-related 'hobbies'. Be a man and forgo sleep states, power savings and other related sandal wearing, tree hugging activities. They're bad for the spirit.
 

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^ What Aenra said.

Have you installed the latest AMD chipset drivers, and selected the Ryzen power plan?
 
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^ What Aenra said.

Have you installed the latest AMD chipset drivers, and selected the Ryzen power plan?

So many things that can be the cause for sleep/wake issues.. where to start..

- Are you on Ryzen Balanced?
- Have you HPET enabled?
- Are you sure you know your HPEt's state, what/if programs that may be activating/deactivating it?
- Have you messed with P-states?
..general..
- BIOS; 'allow wake timers' settings; your triggering may originate from something set in there.
- BIOS's RJ45/WiFi/BT integrated devices settings; can occasionally have extra switches you need look for.
- OS; Device Manager, Universal Serial Bus Controllers; each and every entry, r click for properties, go to power management, check for allow/wake timers.
- OS; Ethernet/Bluetooth/WiFi drivers or suites, can often add wake timers, especially "gaming" crap such as "killer" networks.
- OS; "gaming" devices, including peripherals you may not have originally thought of, such as "gaming" headphones; again timers, check.
- OS, user error; did you mess with something you shouldn't have?

On a personal level, you're in a site called Over Current Protection dedicated to some pretty hardcore PC-related 'hobbies'. Be a man and forgo sleep states, power savings and other related sandal wearing, tree hugging activities. They're bad for the spirit.

Really cool story.. been here since 2000... Been doing this long enough to know what I want out of MY setup. Very aware of how hardcore the site is.. I was liquid cooling back in the 90's when we had pond pumps and danger den maze blocks. For the record I was right.. my simple setting fixed my issue.. Not sure where you were going with any of your recommendations..
 

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^ What Aenra said.

Have you installed the latest AMD chipset drivers, and selected the Ryzen power plan?

Everyone I have talked to has said avoid the Ryzen Power plan with the new Ryzen CPU's. Soon as I did I found my CPU would throttle down again reducing temps and also my boost clocks jumped up as needed.
 

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Yes I am. Upgraded from F4e which I noticed the removed from the site. HPET was enabled by default but I keep reading disabling can help improve performance?

Are you using auto, XMP, or custom settings/OC for your RAM?

If auto or custom, try XMP. Had a similar problem with the 1300X I built for a family member. Setting to XMP really kicked the whole system in the ass.

...that was with Crucial Ballistix 3200 2x4GB single rank.
 

Aenra

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been here since 2000 ... Not sure where you were going with any of your recommendations..

I couldn't care less about when you joined the forum, sorry. I judge people based on what they type :)
Or in this case, i do my part to assist where i can, but also do not refrain from expressing an opinion. I find the sleep function, in an expensive rig at that, to be ludicrous at best. All i need do is combine three facts:
- contemporary hyperbole/lack of measure or the tendency towards it
- the actual power consumption of an average CPU sitting at idle
- the fact that i live in a planet where i am actually encouraged to own multiple cars, multiple appliances, electrical curtains, etc etc.
But one is free to wear one's sandals 24/7 if one feels like it, free world.

As to my recommendations, they're not even that; you mentioned sleep issues, namely waking calls taking you out of 'sleep' mode out of the blue, right?
So what i did was point you to where you need to look so as to pinpoint the issue.
Reading comprehension is a must for forums.
 
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Are you using auto, XMP, or custom settings/OC for your RAM?

If auto or custom, try XMP. Had a similar problem with the 1300X I built for a family member. Setting to XMP really kicked the whole system in the ass.

...that was with Crucial Ballistix 3200 2x4GB single rank.

Used XMP and Custom timings using the timing calculator. Ryzen seems to be hit or miss with XMP profiles. Thank you for the reply.
 

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Yes I am. Upgraded from F4e which I noticed the removed from the site. HPET was enabled by default but I keep reading disabling can help improve performance?

HPET should have no effect this far into Ryzen, in the early launch days it was causing slight performance problems but at the same time was required to run AMD's Ryzen Master software for overclocking. I've tried with it on and off and saw no difference so I just leave it on.
 

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I couldn't care less about when you joined the forum, sorry. I judge people based on what they type :)
Or in this case, i do my part to assist where i can, but also do not refrain from expressing an opinion. I find the sleep function, in an expensive rig at that, to be ludicrous at best. All i need do is combine three facts:
- contemporary hyperbole/lack of measure or the tendency towards it
- the actual power consumption of an average CPU sitting at idle
- the fact that i live in a planet where i am actually encouraged to own multiple cars, multiple appliances, electrical curtains, etc etc.
But one is free to wear one's sandals 24/7 if one feels like it, free world.

As to my recommendations, they're not even that; you mentioned sleep issues, namely waking calls taking you out of 'sleep' mode out of the blue, right?
So what i did was point you to where you need to look so as to pinpoint the issue.
Reading comprehension is a must for forums.
I agree 100%, Funding is readamental.
OP issue is sleep takes a long time when system automatically puts itself to sleep. I dont disagree with most of your points, but if your gonna be an asshat, at least be right.
 

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I agree 100%, Funding is readamental.
OP issue is sleep takes a long time when system automatically puts itself to sleep. I dont disagree with most of your points, but if your gonna be an asshat, at least be right.

LOL.. nice. I actually fixed it per my post way above. Some strange sleep settings got entered with the Ryzen power plan. Probably why I keep reading to avoid the Ryzen power plan for Ryzen 2. Who knows.. but it's resolved. Aerna acts like this in most of his posts.... It's always someone.
 

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I dont disagree with most of your points, but if your gonna be an asshat, at least be right.

Please read the following, it's quoted directly from the OP, no alterations made; and tell me if i got it wrong; and/or to what an extent it's my fault if indeed he meant something different:

When I put this to sleep manually it does the same.. wake right up
Right now if I let it go to sleep on its own it comes right back on

Tell me how it was wrong of me to infer from the above that his problem was a wake timer.
* (would remind here that one can get timers that respect the particularities of different sleep modes, and aggressive ones that do not)
 
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On a personal level, you're in a site called Over Current Protection dedicated to some pretty hardcore PC-related 'hobbies'. Be a man and forgo sleep states, power savings and other related sandal wearing, tree hugging activities. They're bad for the spirit.
give it a rest nooblimpy. our time here does count and your know it all better than everyone attitude is bullshit. and ive never heard of this "over current protection" site you speak of.
 

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pretty certain not at all same mobo, ram, m.2 NVME/SSD and all that stuff

a few weeks back I had similar issue with MSI x570 Gaming Edge WiFi, first I thought was monitor flaking out (could be, but, maybe not?)

as I had initially turned off wake timers and all that (so slight bump on mouse would not wake system from sleep) worked this way with little to no changes on my end after that (beyond monkeying with min and max % and such things) then seemingly out of nowhere Win10 decides it wants to of course do some neferious updates with no way to "undo" (some stupid reason, used to be able to "remove updates" and Windows would not "freak out"

anywho, the problem seemed maybe was bad HDMI cable (using the same one on old monitor, 99% issue free) where the newer/better monitor started doing the shows the display image to lose of HDMI connect to flicker the image to lose of connection again, I noticed when this was taking place my keyboard lights and ability to type were coming and going (that is, could or could not type, to the point where had to try remove updates and all that, before keyboard flickered and had no choice but to hard reset (many times)

I am almost fairly certain that it is / was a windows update that caused this problem (surprise, surprise) I force removed an install for Nahimic something or other (MSFT require to "use" the windows store Nahimic version after installing Realtek sound etc..now, they seem to bundle together / force install even if it likely does not work proper (if at all) my case, the Nahimic based sound, sound panel, even the WiFi I "once had" are not what they :used to be: as driver number changes (whatever they did behind the scenes) borked things that had no need to be borked :d

long story short, still do not at all know why or what for caused this issue, read could be monitor overheat (sure asf hope not, given cannot for many reasons RMA this monitor back which is ~year old now, should not be having such issue .. out of the blue
 

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Please read the following, it's quoted directly from the OP, no alterations made; and tell me if i got it wrong; and/or to what an extent it's my fault if indeed he meant something different:

Tell me how it was wrong of me to infer from the above that his problem was a wake timer.
* (would remind here that one can get timers that respect the particularities of different sleep modes, and aggressive ones that do not)
An including some context around said quote:
"with my old intel setup if I put the system to sleep it will wake right back up and its good to go quickly. When I put this to sleep manually it does the same.. wake right up "

If you included the entire quote and used context clues, you can clearly see he means it wakes right up when he wants it to... aka, when it sleeps in this fashion it wakes right back up properly, quickly. When he let it sleep on it's own, it was not waking up quickly. Like you said, reading comprehension is a must on forums... maybe you should stop pointing that out to others and work on your own?

Edit: Just to point out, you clipped the important part of context from the second quote also..
"Right now if I let it go to sleep on its own it comes right back on but I see it loading up all my background programs and not keeping them loaded like normal sleep does."

Aka, it comes right back up when he wants it to, EXCEPT it's acting more like hibernate than sleep (aka, loading apps instead of being fully loaded). Honestly I feel you're just being purposefully dense because you got called out.
 
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Well, this thread was informative.
Good Read, will recommend (y)
 

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On a personal level, you're in a site called Over Current Protection dedicated to some pretty hardcore PC-related 'hobbies'. Be a man and forgo sleep states, power savings and other related sandal wearing, tree hugging activities. They're bad for the spirit.

No, he isn't. He's on a site called HardForum. OCP died when Kyle left.
 

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No, he isn't. He's on a site called HardForum. OCP died when Kyle left.
Kyle is still here .. lurking .. ever watching ... like a coiled viper, ready to strike .. he's got his naughty and nice list with some big ol chunks of coal he can't wait to chuck at yuh should you get out of line ... :)
 
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