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Aenra
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( /crickets )
Waited this long on purpose, have toyed with an 1800X, a 1950X, a 2700X and now a 2400G.
+ Snappier than any of my (similar of course, core to core, i'd never compare a 6core to an 8core, that's unfair) Intels when at matched speeds. Be they stock ones, or equally OCed ones. It's faster in all the little things that take most of my time; windows booting, explorer icons loading (my work PC is the equivalent of a race car, barring a seat, not much else i haven't thrown out [so obviously, no, no caching]), firefox loading, etc.
This is something that stood for older AMD CPU generations and am happy to say it stands still. Those boys do know their math alright.
+ They lack my number one issue with any Pre-Skylake Intel, namely that sudden.. pause? Hicccup? That often occurs with Intel CPUs. You had a lot of them, you probably know what i'm talking about, everything 'feels' fast and all of a sudden, for no discernible reason, you get a slow down, nothing to throw yourself off a cliff for, but noticeable nonetheless. And just when you think 'wtf', it's back to normal again.
This is also something that stood for previous generations of AMD CPUs. Happy to find it still prevalent.
(a note here yet again about the racing car analogy; in 'normal' people setups the above still occurs, but you'd have to be looking for it to take note)
* Although you read threads over at oc.net, you find mentions of that in SK-X SKUs as well, so.. who knows.
+ I know they had a lot of market to take back and that as such the pricing is hardly a 'favor', but i cannot help but feel grateful. That 1800X puts my 6900K to shame. Yes, as i type it. 'Reviewers' may say what they will, i take my numbers first.
Now my numbers of course do not involve games as i don't play them; they do however involve math. And when it comes down to math, their potential is better. Measurably so. Given the pricing, which also affects the motherboards? Like i said, am grateful; you may have some idea of my personality already, lol, so as you may have guessed, me and grateful don't often match ^^
As to the why i'm mentioning the 1800X and not the 2700X, keep reading.
- I don't like the PB2, PB+, PB Pro, XFR turbo injection shenanigans introduced with the latest iteration. I may be particular and overly demanding, but i retain a sense of measure. Running your CPU 24/7 at 1.55volts because your mobo tells you "that's fine" is criminal. This is bad business, bad PR and a bad technological precedent, in terms of the mentality it fosters. Because this CPU can and does degrade above 1.420ish. No one, no one should praise, let alone advocate the use of these algorythms. No one.
(even if the benefit was immense, which it is not)
I sincerely hope this charade meets an early demise. I know it 'worked', i grasp why; doesn't change anything.
- Which brings me to the Zen+ iteration. I'm not sure what to think here.. slightly better memory-related performance, that's a fact, so that's one. But other than that? You run the CPU like any sane person would (OCing is one thing, killing it because you buy a new one every 6 months? That's.. different), you're looking at a performance so close to that of the 1800X i cannot even resemble it to Intel's tick-tock; it's even less of a 'leap' than that parody ever amounted to. Yes, if one is building now, all the better, but isn't that always the case? Hype and reality don't quite match for me.
I could see a cheap ass rig, with bad RAMs, etc. existing just fine with a Zen+, whereas it wouldn't before, but Internet being what it is, i can only blame the consumer for ignorance. You can have a cheap ass rig that works fine with the first gen; just fine in fact, so that's out too.
I guess you can say my excitement was curbed with Zen+
- Agesas arriving as packages rather than open code is a practice they need reconsider, if not downright stop. They don't have the budget to cook their own BIOSes like the blue team does; fine. They could at least have made it easier for everyone by allowing the board makers to work with them. It is ludicrous that year of our Lord 2018 and the chief programmer needs to guess; guess. They run a mobo and try, empirically, to see what happens, out of which empirical notes collection they make changes. Because a) they have no clue what happens, b) AMD does not say, even if you ask.
I know why they do it and it's no excuse. They rip each other off anyway, let's be honest here. This is hyperbole and one that comes with a cost.
[you may have noticed i've refrained from mentioning their 'low' overclocking potential, or the opposing team's better frequencies/better singe-threaded performance. That's because in reality, the difference amounts to buck all; placebo. One of the benefits of age, you no longer buy with ego as the driving force]
Now all that said, yes, major progress, no, got no regrets, yes, am still primarily an AMD customer.. or at least consider me one. I'm just weary i guess; the hype in the last one is strong and i don't know what's more worrying: That AMD continues its trend of hyping the hell out of everything, or that the degree of immaturity out there is such that no one really minds..
To be continued/ammended when the inevitable 2950X purchase occurs.
* Give me the next 30 minutes or so for the necessary editing.. fossils do it differently
( /crickets )
Waited this long on purpose, have toyed with an 1800X, a 1950X, a 2700X and now a 2400G.
+ Snappier than any of my (similar of course, core to core, i'd never compare a 6core to an 8core, that's unfair) Intels when at matched speeds. Be they stock ones, or equally OCed ones. It's faster in all the little things that take most of my time; windows booting, explorer icons loading (my work PC is the equivalent of a race car, barring a seat, not much else i haven't thrown out [so obviously, no, no caching]), firefox loading, etc.
This is something that stood for older AMD CPU generations and am happy to say it stands still. Those boys do know their math alright.
+ They lack my number one issue with any Pre-Skylake Intel, namely that sudden.. pause? Hicccup? That often occurs with Intel CPUs. You had a lot of them, you probably know what i'm talking about, everything 'feels' fast and all of a sudden, for no discernible reason, you get a slow down, nothing to throw yourself off a cliff for, but noticeable nonetheless. And just when you think 'wtf', it's back to normal again.
This is also something that stood for previous generations of AMD CPUs. Happy to find it still prevalent.
(a note here yet again about the racing car analogy; in 'normal' people setups the above still occurs, but you'd have to be looking for it to take note)
* Although you read threads over at oc.net, you find mentions of that in SK-X SKUs as well, so.. who knows.
+ I know they had a lot of market to take back and that as such the pricing is hardly a 'favor', but i cannot help but feel grateful. That 1800X puts my 6900K to shame. Yes, as i type it. 'Reviewers' may say what they will, i take my numbers first.
Now my numbers of course do not involve games as i don't play them; they do however involve math. And when it comes down to math, their potential is better. Measurably so. Given the pricing, which also affects the motherboards? Like i said, am grateful; you may have some idea of my personality already, lol, so as you may have guessed, me and grateful don't often match ^^
As to the why i'm mentioning the 1800X and not the 2700X, keep reading.
- I don't like the PB2, PB+, PB Pro, XFR turbo injection shenanigans introduced with the latest iteration. I may be particular and overly demanding, but i retain a sense of measure. Running your CPU 24/7 at 1.55volts because your mobo tells you "that's fine" is criminal. This is bad business, bad PR and a bad technological precedent, in terms of the mentality it fosters. Because this CPU can and does degrade above 1.420ish. No one, no one should praise, let alone advocate the use of these algorythms. No one.
(even if the benefit was immense, which it is not)
I sincerely hope this charade meets an early demise. I know it 'worked', i grasp why; doesn't change anything.
- Which brings me to the Zen+ iteration. I'm not sure what to think here.. slightly better memory-related performance, that's a fact, so that's one. But other than that? You run the CPU like any sane person would (OCing is one thing, killing it because you buy a new one every 6 months? That's.. different), you're looking at a performance so close to that of the 1800X i cannot even resemble it to Intel's tick-tock; it's even less of a 'leap' than that parody ever amounted to. Yes, if one is building now, all the better, but isn't that always the case? Hype and reality don't quite match for me.
I could see a cheap ass rig, with bad RAMs, etc. existing just fine with a Zen+, whereas it wouldn't before, but Internet being what it is, i can only blame the consumer for ignorance. You can have a cheap ass rig that works fine with the first gen; just fine in fact, so that's out too.
I guess you can say my excitement was curbed with Zen+
- Agesas arriving as packages rather than open code is a practice they need reconsider, if not downright stop. They don't have the budget to cook their own BIOSes like the blue team does; fine. They could at least have made it easier for everyone by allowing the board makers to work with them. It is ludicrous that year of our Lord 2018 and the chief programmer needs to guess; guess. They run a mobo and try, empirically, to see what happens, out of which empirical notes collection they make changes. Because a) they have no clue what happens, b) AMD does not say, even if you ask.
I know why they do it and it's no excuse. They rip each other off anyway, let's be honest here. This is hyperbole and one that comes with a cost.
[you may have noticed i've refrained from mentioning their 'low' overclocking potential, or the opposing team's better frequencies/better singe-threaded performance. That's because in reality, the difference amounts to buck all; placebo. One of the benefits of age, you no longer buy with ego as the driving force]
Now all that said, yes, major progress, no, got no regrets, yes, am still primarily an AMD customer.. or at least consider me one. I'm just weary i guess; the hype in the last one is strong and i don't know what's more worrying: That AMD continues its trend of hyping the hell out of everything, or that the degree of immaturity out there is such that no one really minds..
To be continued/ammended when the inevitable 2950X purchase occurs.
* Give me the next 30 minutes or so for the necessary editing.. fossils do it differently
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