Ryzen 9 3950X delayed due to "unsatisfactory clock speeds"

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there will probably be a lot more than you think. 8 cores is gonna be the new mainstream, especially when the new consoles come out with 8 core chips in them and all the new games will be requiring an octo-core cpu.
I bought my 1700 in 2017 for $180.
8 cores has been mainstream for a while, at least on the AMD side.

Regular people buying 16/32 CPUs will come faster than we think.
 

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you considering getting a 3950X also?
Well not just yet. Current system is approaching 3 years old. Want to wait until it's 5 or 6 if I can. Got 7 years out of the i7-920 (OC'd great 1Ghz on air), so if I can get 5 out of the i7-6850 (doesn't oc as well), will be happy.

Watching closely how all these AMD releases go so I can be up to date once the time comes.
 
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I bought my 1700 in 2017 for $180.
8 cores has been mainstream for a while, at least on the AMD side.

Regular people buying 16/32 CPUs will come faster than we think.
I want one because I think it would be therapeutic for my ADHD. XD
 

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I bought my 1700 in 2017 for $180.
8 cores has been mainstream for a while, at least on the AMD side.

Regular people buying 16/32 CPUs will come faster than we think.
Regular people buy cheap OEM boxes for the most part. 16c parts in those kinds of machines are WAY out if ever.
 

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Regular people buy cheap OEM boxes for the most part. 16c parts in those kinds of machines are WAY out if ever.
That's if they buy a desktop at all - generally they're buying laptops.

Most consumers have no use for more than four cores. Gamers don't have a use for more than eight, and after that single-thread speeds start dropping.
 

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That's if they buy a desktop at all - generally they're buying laptops.

Most consumers have no use for more than four cores. Gamers don't have a use for more than eight, and after that single-thread speeds start dropping.
And when they are buying "desktops" they tend to be AiO's which are basically beefy laptops with a big screen.
 
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That's what I'd tell people to buy. They're compact and convenient.
Not a very good idea to buy AIO unless you can easy replace parts (haven't found one yet). The GPUs are usually soldered if it even has one, so you won't ever get to replace it if it goes bad.
But being disposable I can agree with that lol.
If people want to come to me for good computer advice, I would never tell them to buy a AIO, unless that is what they want and are willing to pay for a decent one.
 
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jk recycling isn't that big where i'm at, for me its very inconvenient. I don't disagree with it and would do it, but I don't want to take time out of my already short day to throw away trash in a different place
 

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Not a very good idea to buy AIO unless you can easy replace parts (haven't found one yet).
Realistically, this is only going to happen if something fails, for the kind of usecases that I'd recommend one for. Expandability isn't on the radar here, it just needs to work, like a large laptop.

The GPUs are usually soldered if it even has one, so you won't ever get to replace it if it goes bad.
For the most part I don't expect a discrete GPU to be included as they're not needed, but if one is, it'd likely be an MX150 or similar. Honestly if more than Intel iGPU performance is called for, this is where an AMD APU would fit best.

If people want to come to me for good computer advice, I would never tell them to buy a AIO, unless that is what they want and are willing to pay for a decent one.
The basic assumption is that they're not willing to pay for a decent anything, but just need something that works for what it is. AIOs are perfect for this due to their space-saving attributes, and really, people are just looking for something that's more ergonomic than a laptop.

For anything more complex, more flexible, and / or more powerful, desktops are on order or if a decent laptop is already in play, a docking station setup. Thunderbolt and now even USB3 make this very easy these days.
 

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Wait, people do that?
jk recycling isn't that big where i'm at, for me its very inconvenient. I don't disagree with it and would do it, but I don't want to take time out of my already short day to throw away trash in a different place
Visited UK and Ireland a few years back and found recycling to be extremely convenient; back in the States? Good luck...
 
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Realistically, this is only going to happen if something fails, for the kind of usecases that I'd recommend one for. Expandability isn't on the radar here, it just needs to work, like a large laptop.



For the most part I don't expect a discrete GPU to be included as they're not needed, but if one is, it'd likely be an MX150 or similar. Honestly if more than Intel iGPU performance is called for, this is where an AMD APU would fit best.



The basic assumption is that they're not willing to pay for a decent anything, but just need something that works for what it is. AIOs are perfect for this due to their space-saving attributes, and really, people are just looking for something that's more ergonomic than a laptop.

For anything more complex, more flexible, and / or more powerful, desktops are on order or if a decent laptop is already in play, a docking station setup. Thunderbolt and now even USB3 make this very easy these days.
I guess I'm biased since I hate them with a passion lol
 

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I guess I'm biased since I hate them with a passion lol
I use an old HP with an AMD dozer-based APU that has too little RAM and a spinner for a drive. I understand hate.

I also understand using what is available. I don't recommed AIOs to replace what someone might do on a desktop, if that could also be done on a laptop- I recommend them as 'large laptops'. They work in smaller spaces than desktops and are usually comprised of laptop-grade parts, so they're usually quieter and cooler too. These are all good things for consumers that just need something with a larger screen.
 
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so if the 3900 or 3950 isn't in stock, you're either going to get a slower intel cpu for the same price or a much more expensive and still probably slower intel cpu ?

You could get a 3800x any day of the week and be totally fine if your purchasing decisions are going to be based on whatever is available at a given date. At least then you have an upgrade path and pcie4
 
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so if the 3900 or 3950 isn't in stock, you're either going to get a slower intel cpu for the same price or a much more expensive and still probably slower intel cpu ?

You could get a 3800x any day of the week and be totally fine if your purchasing decisions are going to be based on whatever is available at a given date. At least then you have an upgrade path and pcie4
It'll be slower. But I'll have something on a mature platform. If I can't get the 12 cores I want I'm not going to suffer the platform problems. I'm on the AMD hype train, but there has to be rolling stock to ride on, I can't keep holding onto the outside of the locomotive.
 
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meh. hoof it over to a brick and morter store. You have a much better shot of getting a 3900x whenever they have deliveries now or any week in the future vs fighting the bots online ...who are currently in the business of purchasing whatever comes in stock the moment it's updated online and then reselling for a 200+ dollar markup on reseller markets.

only took me a week to get my 3900x from the time I started looking till I had it in hand.
 
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only took me a week to get my 3900x from the time I started looking till I had it in hand.
For all the complaints of shortages of the 8700K and then 9900K, I just went online and bought mine.

Seems like consumers are on the ass-end of AMDs priority list, and TSMC isn't spitting out enough viable dies for AMD to fullfill product demand to the end of the line.
 

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It'll be slower. But I'll have something on a mature platform. If I can't get the 12 cores I want I'm not going to suffer the platform problems. I'm on the AMD hype train, but there has to be rolling stock to ride on, I can't keep holding onto the outside of the locomotive.
Mature and riddled with mitigations, ftw!

In reality, x570 has been smooth sailing for me. My previous 7820x ran like ass comparatively.
 

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It'll be slower. But I'll have something on a mature platform. If I can't get the 12 cores I want I'm not going to suffer the platform problems. I'm on the AMD hype train, but there has to be rolling stock to ride on, I can't keep holding onto the outside of the locomotive.
It took 3 months for AMD and DELL to get my Epyc servers stable. I have no doubt that that my 3900x would have taken as long, fortunately as it still isn’t here there will have been at least 3 months worth of other people sorting this stuff out so mid Dec when it finally arrives (ordered July 9) others will have had the pleasure of sorting out the issues.
 
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Seems like consumers are on the ass-end of AMDs priority list, and TSMC isn't spitting out enough viable dies for AMD to fullfill product demand to the end of the line.
And quite possibly TSMC isn't spitting out enough dies period, much less viable ones. But, yes, consumer space isn't going to pull in the same coin a server part will. Zero surprises here.
 

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And quite possibly TSMC isn't spitting out enough dies period, much less viable ones. But, yes, consumer space isn't going to pull in the same coin a server part will. Zero surprises here.
Yield rates are extremely good for the chiplets and the 14nm io die from GF. Limit is fab capacity as has been widely reported and sourced.
EPYC is far more profitable so the dies with all the best cache, IO, etc are going there. 3700 and 3800 availability shows that these dies are not in short supply in terms of core yields. 3900x is dual 6 core...
Therefore, this makes me wonder if the binning process is clock related.. There are not many factors left.
As much as the story isn't sourced, I can see where they are coming from.
 

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^Agreed, and sorry if I made it sound like the yields were terrible (the huge huge benefit of getting the die size down) when I was trying for a play on words that the fab capacity is the likely limiting factor. Some combination of top-frequency binning or power-to-hit-X_frequency might be the selection criteria. As you know better than I do, there's perf/watt is an enormous figure of merit for the datacenter.
 

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Gamers don't have a use for more than eight, and after that single-thread speeds start dropping.
they have use for more than eight if they're streaming. plus lets say you are playing a game that uses 8 threads. you still have the OS and whatever other background tasks/services that are running.

also after 8 thread single thread speed only starts dropping if you are using intel. not so much with amd. the 3900X actually has higher boost than 3800X (higher base than 3700X) and you can always OC your base the 100mhz to make up the difference if you needed to but, like you said, if you are gaming you prob won't be using all 12 cores so it should boost the 4-8 ones you are using to at least 3800X levels anyway.
 

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Only if they're not using a dedicated rig, and not using other available hardware, and livestreaming, not just streaming.
But what if we have a game on one screen with Netflix on the other and websites/Facebook/Twitter/twitch/ on another. With the system also working and the iTunes server to the iPad and AppleTV’s upstairs?
 

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So you're actually using six cores?



Why would you do that?
I think 6 is a little conservative , I think it is at least 16 threads worth of garbage at least so 8 cores is probably more realistic.

As to the why on the iTunes stuff bandwidth is a premium out in the Canadian boonies, why stream the same things over and over for the little ones when I can just download it once and have them just watch it from here.
 
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I think 6 is a little conservative , I think it is at least 16 threads worth of garbage at least so 8 cores is probably more realistic.
So what did you do when you only had four cores?
As to the why on the iTunes stuff bandwidth is a premium out in the Canadian boonies, why stream the same things over and over for the little ones when I can just download it once and have them just watch it from here.
Well, I didn't say anything about 'streaming it again', but rather, why would you use a gaming PC for that. Then you have to keep it on all the time and you have to deal with the performance impacts while you're gaming. Get a simple NAS, or build one.
 

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So what did you do when you only had four cores?

Well, I didn't say anything about 'streaming it again', but rather, why would you use a gaming PC for that. Then you have to keep it on all the time and you have to deal with the performance impacts while you're gaming. Get a simple NAS, or build one.
Had a dedicated iTunes server, only used 2 monitors and an iPad for the netflix.
I have never been successful getting iTunes to properly retain the meta data when running on a NAS.
 

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Had a dedicated iTunes server, only used 2 monitors and an iPad for the netflix.
I have never been successful getting iTunes to properly retain the meta data when running on a NAS.
Okay? Use a cheap PC so you're not messing with gameplay? A 'NAS' is just a fileserver, it can be anything.
 

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Okay? Use a cheap PC so you're not messing with gameplay? A 'NAS' is just a fileserver, it can be anything.
Yeah but I am tired of running like 3 or 4 computers all the time. I am hoping that the 3900X lets me do it all out of one box instead
 

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You could get a 3800x any day of the week and be totally fine if your purchasing decisions are going to be based on whatever is available at a given date. At least then you have an upgrade path and pcie4
actually the 3800X is a little overpriced compared to an overclockable 3700X but really what i'm looking at doing is right now you can get a 2600 for $100 (+ X570 board and 32gb ddr4) and then upgrade to 3900X when it is more readily available and i have more money.
 
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Reduced clockspeed on AMDs newest chips is a casualty of the process shrink more than anything.

Like gluing together two 4 cylinder engines out of front wheel drive Corollas and calling it a "V8", something was bound not to sit well.
I see you and raise you following this line of thought (was mulling over past mth+ myself)

there is a huge benefit if done "proper" such as Suzuki many moons ago for Pike's Peak..they took V4 x2 and turbo to snot...massive win of a vehicle..purpose built design....then along comes even further WAY OVERBOARD v6 x 2 sequential with turbo etc...Escudo

Ryzen 3k is/can be exactly that....Escudo.

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can turn into a lemon that was pushed too hard right from day 1, no choice "race authority steps in..you need turn it down a few notches as they are blowing through their "life" far faster than any gains of the "engine" you are pushing beyond capabilities"

much like that Ford car many years ago, rally wise...believe it was something like 50 or 150hrs MAX then entire engine/drive train etc full out gut rebuild...if AMD is already at that "redline" it is terrible for EVERYONE...consumer as we not getting "range" we should be getting, equal terrible for AMD and "business" overall for very much same reason, if not even worse once they "might" be forced to replace tens of millions of chips that were "fault"

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if Agesa anything to go by.....sincerely hope AMD knew exact what they were doing, as I want to believe I chose a good time to "get new stuff"

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am sure others as well not want to look at the "year" and go "well @#$% I guess need to be very very careful spend any $$ these days...never know if being told truth or being fleeced"

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