Ryzen 7000 Delidding Der8auer

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This is insane. If AMD didn't go out of their way to retain socket cooler compatibility and used a thinner heat spreader, the 7000 cpus probably run at 70C.
95 degree and 200 watts is too much for me for now.
 

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This is insane. If AMD didn't go out of their way to retain socket cooler compatibility and used a thinner heat spreader, the 7000 cpus probably run at 70C.
95 degree and 200 watts is too much for me for now.
Nonsense
-20 degree was with direct die cooling after delidding vs standard solder with IHS

CPU can run faster in turbo and it was AMD's decision to make them run as fast as possible up to 95C. They could easily do the same even if they didn't put any IHS. Then of course you would have better performance but also even higher power consumption.

I get that it is nice to have low temperature if possible but users are not the people who should worry about CPU temperature targets and just about getting good temperature. I completely do not understand people who ran cooler much louder than what they could do just to get few degree lower when CPU runs well below temperature that is even remotely dangerous or panic when temperature is above this and that temperature.

I always run CPUs with thermal throttling disabled and lower fan speeds as much as possible. Only when CPU throttle or shuts down I increase fan speeds. For Core 2 Duo it was 115C for shut down and CPU would easily get >100C when gaming and guess what... it didn't hurt me. I could even touch radiator and it was pretty toasty but still didn't get any burns 🙃 Imho there is zero point to worry about temperature.

Should we get reports that Zen4 systems have higher RMA rate due to running at higher temps then the topic 'they are running hot...' should be really raised.
 

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The extra thickness is there to accommodate the stacked cache chips when they release so all cpus have the same Z height.
It might happen that over the years CPU dies will get much taller
I do not however think they will become tall enough to justify ISH thickness
 
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Nonsense
-20 degree was with direct die cooling after delidding vs standard solder with IHS

CPU can run faster in turbo and it was AMD's decision to make them run as fast as possible up to 95C. They could easily do the same even if they didn't put any IHS. Then of course you would have better performance but also even higher power consumption.

I get that it is nice to have low temperature if possible but users are not the people who should worry about CPU temperature targets and just about getting good temperature. I completely do not understand people who ran cooler much louder than what they could do just to get few degree lower when CPU runs well below temperature that is even remotely dangerous or panic when temperature is above this and that temperature.

I always run CPUs with thermal throttling disabled and lower fan speeds as much as possible. Only when CPU throttle or shuts down I increase fan speeds. For Core 2 Duo it was 115C for shut down and CPU would easily get >100C when gaming and guess what... it didn't hurt me. I could even touch radiator and it was pretty toasty but still didn't get any burns 🙃 Imho there is zero point to worry about temperature.

Should we get reports that Zen4 systems have higher RMA rate due to running at higher temps then the topic 'they are running hot...' should be really raised.
Which C2D's were those? Max temp on those was like ~70C
 

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Which C2D's were those? Max temp on those was like ~70C
For my 45nm C2D computer shutdown temperature was at 115C and it was possible to operate them up to that temperature without any frequency throttling.
I had compact dekstop ATX case where I could not fit normal tower radiator and still wanted 3.8GHz without hearing fans so it often ran >100C.

I guess they changed it later. I remember I delidded i5 3570K because it was cheaper and faster to get it to behave at 4.8GHz than trying to replace giant tower cooler with even bigger cooler. If I could run it up to 115C I would remembering those temperatures 🔥

Maybe I should check it on 9900k. With more temp headroom it could be OCd without noise 🤔

Funny, because having a CPU pegged at TJMax has had people crying bloody murder at Intel for years now. :ROFLMAO:
Imho AMD should advertise their new CPU as smart space heaters with frequency controlled temperature and that way people would complain in reviews they are low power 💡
 

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Anyone pushing these will likely lap them anyways. For the folks just buying PC's off the shelves wont even look at the temps. It will just run.
 
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For my 45nm C2D computer shutdown temperature was at 115C and it was possible to operate them up to that temperature without any frequency throttling.
I had compact dekstop ATX case where I could not fit normal tower radiator and still wanted 3.8GHz without hearing fans so it often ran >100C.

I guess they changed it later. I remember I delidded i5 3570K because it was cheaper and faster to get it to behave at 4.8GHz than trying to replace giant tower cooler with even bigger cooler. If I could run it up to 115C I would remembering those temperatures 🔥

Maybe I should check it on 9900k. With more temp headroom it could be OCd without noise 🤔


Imho AMD should advertise their new CPU as smart space heaters with frequency controlled temperature and that way people would complain in reviews they are low power 💡
Yeah Ivy could go up that high perhaps but not the C2D/C2Q series iirc.
 

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Yeah from the pictures I've seen, I knew the IHS is thicker than AM4. I did not know that would cause an "insulation" type of effect thus temps suffer. Unless they redesign that IHS, you might not have any choice but to run it nekkid/direct die cooling.
 

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Yeah from the pictures I've seen, I knew the IHS is thicker than AM4. I did not know that would cause an "insulation" type of effect thus temps suffer. Unless they redesign that IHS, you might not have any choice but to run it nekkid/direct die cooling.
Maybe if it becomes popular enough we could see some aftermarket IHS solutions. I remember those neat copper ones made for Intels.
 

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Maybe if it becomes popular enough we could see some aftermarket IHS solutions. I remember those neat copper ones made for Intels.
i think der8 said hes working on one... i think.



simplest solution to this is a -.015v offset
 

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Maybe if it becomes popular enough we could see some aftermarket IHS solutions. I remember those neat copper ones made for Intels.
No point really. Might as well bare die cool it of you going through all this trouble.
 

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No point really. Might as well bare die cool it of you going through all this trouble.
It worked on Intel, why not here?

*Edit* Probably better for reselling. More people are probably willing to try a well applied IHS than buying a bare die.

*Edit 2* Then again a lot of those didn't have soldered on heat spreaders if I remember right. Not sure the level of difficulty difference of removing the two.
 
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It worked on Intel, why not here?

*Edit* Probably better for reselling. More people are probably willing to try a well applied IHS than buying a bare die.

*Edit 2* Then again a lot of those didn't have soldered on heat spreaders if I remember right. Not sure the level of difficulty difference of removing the two.
Looked pretty easy from the video. I am surprised it worked without heating it up any.
 

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His 7950X gained 100Mhz with no additional power budget after delidding and dropped nearly 20C. I would like to see how high it could have gone with unleashing the power budget.
 
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