Ryzen 5 2400G Delidded With Before and After Temps

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  1. Montu

    Montu [H]ard DCOTM x4

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    YouTuber der8auer has posted a nice video that shows him delidding the new Ryzen 2400G APU. He was able to reuse a Coffee Lake delidding tool with a small insert so that will save you some money if you already own one of those. If you are hoping for an improved overclock after delidding you shouldn't hold your breath because his sample didn't overclock significantly better. However, temps dropped nicely if that's something you're concerned about.

    Watch the video here.
     
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  2. prime2515102

    prime2515102 [H]ard|Gawd

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    Looks like about the same difference I got after delidding my 7700k.
     
  3. kcfreels

    kcfreels Limp Gawd

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    Looks very AMD without it's hat. Very reminiscent of the lidless Athlons
     
  4. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge Not the Idiot YOU are Looking for

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    A temp drop can be used to produce a noise drop- and in the end, that's what matters for most (non-mining) users!
     
  5. Baenwort

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    So does this mean AMD has switched from a good interface material to the same crap Intel uses now? I had put a plus in the AMD comparison side for not seeing a good reason to delid like modern Intel required for a cool OC.
     
  6. Derfnofred

    Derfnofred Gawd

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    No, AMD has been using TIM on their APU's for years now. Not the same as their more enthusiast-based chips.
     
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  7. Zarathustra[H]

    Zarathustra[H] Pick your own.....you deserve it.

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    Huh, I had thought the Ryzens were soldered.
     
  8. thesmokingman

    thesmokingman [H]ardness Supreme

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    APU's were always pasted. You have to separate the regular chips from APUs. The regular desktop chips are soldered.
     
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    One2Zero n00bie

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  10. Sulphademus

    Sulphademus Limp Gawd

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    Well then this is disappointing.
     
  11. mbelue

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    Wasnt much focus on the GPU core.

    Would like to know if delidding helps GPU clocks...
     
  12. doublejack

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    It is extremely unlikely. These are really mobile parts that are binned and repackaged for use in a desktop. That's why they are pasted and are not soldered. This is the case with all APUs.

    As a result of being a mobile based product in a desktop package, thermals are never really an issue. Even the most basic of desktop cooling solutions generally blows away what is used in mobile devices in terms of efficiency and capacity.

    I personally don't think it is worth the effort to delid an APU. If someone is worried about noise they could use a giant over-sized cooler instead of a stock cooler. Water cooling is another option.
     
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  13. sirmonkey1985

    sirmonkey1985 [H]ard|DCer of the Month - July 2010

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    Not really, it allowed them to keep prices down. At 65c stock it didn't need solder anyways.
     
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  14. mbelue

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    Why would they be?

    The architecture of both the CPU and GPU are desktop parts.

    You could say that about the old APUs, but my understanding was this generation isn't separated that way.
     
  15. Krenum

    Krenum [H]ardForum Junkie

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    They plan on soldering the Zen+ when it comes out in a few months.
     
  16. Burticus

    Burticus 2[H]4U

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    Liquid metal, eh? Hmmm
     
  17. doublejack

    doublejack Limp Gawd

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    I see what you mean. There still is a difference, though. The 2200G and 2400G are made with the same dies as 2500u and 2700u laptop processors. Word has it that the processors are binned while still on the wafer. The good ones that run at 15-25w become laptop parts.

    I'd bet my bottom dollar that if the 2200G and 2400G were made in a start-to-finish Desktop specific process that they would be soldered to the IHS.
     
  18. mbelue

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    Yeah, but.

    All the Zen dies are the same from EPYC to Threadripper to Ryzen 3. At least that was true for the first generation.

    Or have I missed something in all of AMDs talks about scalability?