Logical Errorlonger lasting chipset in AM4
Simply using AMD's history of dragging out chip interfaces doesn't mean a current-gen board will be compatible with/upgradable to future chips, even with the same pinouts.
Because that compatibility isn't up to AMD. It's up to the board manufacturer.
Additionally, buying with the intention of "sticking an even better chip in later" is much akin to "I'll eventually go SLI". In theory, it's a good idea. In practice, it happens FAR less often.
The best plan is to get the best system you can NOW. And don't worry about "future proofing", since there's no such thing.
Honestly, the Intel platform is simply better for this. It's not like a driver update is MAGICALLY going to make the Ryzen start outperforming the i7 7700K. Sure, newer games MAY eventually use some of the new tech like Vulkan/DX to optimize for high-number multicore. But, buying a system HOPING that happens within your system's lifetime is DUMB (with a capital "what were you thinking?")
I find that Ryzen is inconsistent in performance. Sometimes it looks brilliant, but sometimes it falls short even in productivity that supports multithreading against lesser Intel cores. The Anandtech Skylake X review pretty much confirms that assessment. Hoping Zen 2 can fix that along with having much higher overclocking headroom.Why? Please explain.
Coffee lake will have 6 core top end i7's rather than just 4C now.Why? Please explain.
Fucking truth.I disagree - the Ryzen 1600 is potentially more future proof (as software is increasingly taking a minimum of 4 cores for granted), and the further you go up the graphics card scale, the longer the card lasts. Sure, the 1080 is overkill for 1080p NOW, but what about 3 years from now? 5? The Core i7 920 my friend has still plays every game he has at full detail at 1080p, but he has had to upgrade his video card - twice. My point is that the CPU will remain relevant far longer than the GPU, so maximize the GPU now to stretch out its useful life.
Nothing does. Just working with the choices given in the OP. If you've already got a reasonably fast CPU and SSD and you're not upgrading for years get the strongest GPU you can. That's the part that usually becomes outdated first.I'd want something better than a 1080 honestly. I don't think its gonna look so nice years from now.
The 7800x did not prodùce gains on cpu limited games when o/c because it scales terribly with clock increases.This review is flawed because:
1) Overclocked 7800x produced no gain
2) That reviewer burn his 7800x
3) Doesn't lineup with other reviews
I came from a i5 6600k that was overclocked to 4.4 ghz. The thing stuttered in games. The Stock Ryzen 5 has yet to stutter in any other games that I play. And from what I understand the 7700k also suffers from the occasional stutter but no where as bad as the i5. I'd have to say that the Ryzen 5/7 offers a level of smoothness that even an overclocked 7700k cant match. I have no evidence of this of course.My friends i5 system absolutely chokes if anything is running in the background too. .
Annnnnnd my last 3 AMD systems took ages to configure / work, and never did work correctly without errors, and my z170 setup took approximately 55 minutes from un-boxing to usable windows. Its quotes like above why people can't just use what people on forums say anymore. Your one random bad experience is not indicative of platform usage by the masses.Ryzen 5 1600X FTW. Look at my signature (Below). I just built it last Thursday and just updated my sig now. It was one of the smoothest builds that I've ever done to date. My last build (Z170) required 3 motherboards and 3 sets of ram before I could get the thing to post up. It took 3 weeks to get that system going vs 4 hours for this system.
What makes you think that it was only one bad experience? And are we not allowed to talk about our experiences?Its quotes like above why people can't just use what people on forums say anymore.Your one random bad experience is not indicative of platform usage by the masses.
Lucky you. The Z170 had early teething issues. Tons of youtubers had issues when it was first released.and my z170 setup took approximately 55 minutes from un-boxing to usable windows.