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Switch 2 has full backwards compatibility with the switch 1.
Yuzu was being forked like crazy but Nintendo went after all of them, and they used DMCA notices to take them down. Ryujinx is different as Nintendo didn't legally try to take them down but instead made an agreement. This means anyone who forks Ryujinx won't face the same problems. To me this seems like a cash settlement or a "job offer", as Nintendo had no legal route to shut down Ryujinx, so they just bought out the developer.
There's a high likelihood most users pirated the games (even owners of the games, though whether the rest contribute to lost sales is always a debate) and I share the critique about piracy for in production media, though strong-arming the emulators themselves to close like this I very much disagree with. Emulators of in-production consoles have co-existed in the past for decades (including positive legal precedents) but so too have strong-arm tactics to get emulator devs to shut down their projects in other ways (which have also worked in the past).
I mean…. Dudes in Brazil, with all the shit going on down there right now I’m not so sure Nintendo sent lawyers. Just sent a crew that made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
I own a Switch (two, actually) and several games. I'd like to play those games on hardware that doesn't increasingly suck balls as the months pass. The new Zelda can't even hold a decent framerate on the "existing" hardware, yet you can run it way better on an emulator. Same with Tears of the Kingdom - that game ran awful on the Switch, but it runs and looks great on a PC via emulation.
I think, too, that for the motion sickness sensitive it would be great as framerate and FoV greatly affect the experience of any game. I doubt Nintendo will release on PC any time soon, though IIRC yuzu was able to download purchased games and DLC directly from one's Nintendo online account.
They never will. Nintendo is a very, very stubborn company. They aren't ones to bend to the wishes of others or even general business sense, they do things their own way. There have been times in their history when that has worked extremely well for them, and times when it has not, but that is how they are.
Even if they got paid off, there would also have been the implied "that's a nice salary you have there, it'd be a shame if something were to happen to it".
You quoted only part of my message. I wasn't knocking it's benefits, I was knocking the reality of what people are going to use it for. You may be one in a sea of thousands that'll use it legitimately, but that doesn't change the fact that the thousands of others aren't. I bet if the creators of Yuzu didn't go out of their way to remove the security features and checks, Nintendo wouldn't give two shits since you had to buy a Switch in the first place, and if it required buying a game, well that's a sale for Nintendo, so I seriously doubt they would have cared; but because those locks were bypassed, it ruined it for people like you. Like I said in my post, if Ryujinx didn't bother trying to bring a switch emulator app to iOS and Android we probably wouldn't be talking about this. Yuzu OTOH, I'd do the same in Nintendo's shoes, it "had" good intentions, yes, but dangle free $60 games in front of a person, with little to no drawbacks, that's a major issue. Yes, as one person stated you can't necessarily gauge piracy versus lost sales, but the fact that the option to pirate the game is there, and the potential of a lost sale are pretty freaking high because of that.
Sudachi is a fork of Yuzu and is still being developed. They self-host the binaries, but the source code is unfortunately not available since GitHub and GitLab took down the pages. The newest version was just released this past weekend.
I read a post that said Nintendo sent people who showed up at the project lead's door. Pure intimidation.
You're not going to buy a Switch game to then still download it off some website just to say you own the game. The Switch itself is terrible as a portable device because Nintendo sucks at evolving the software. For example, my Switch can also boot Android which allows me to watch Netflix, Hulu,Disney+, and etc, because you can't do these things on a regular Switch. You can also play Roblox through Android on Switch, but there is no native Roblox for Switch. I also wouldn't buy a Switch 2 in 2024 just because there are better alternatives like Steam Deck and RoG Ally. I have never played Switch games on my Switch because it sucks compared to playing them on PC. The Switch's hardware aged very badly. Nintendo needs to put their games on PC already or continue to spend a fortune on lawyers just to slow down emulation. I'd imagine it's cheaper to port games on PC than to pay their army of lawyers.
Yuzu still required you to provide both the firmware file and dumped keys, so it's not like you could literally just play any game without effort. The fact that those things can be found on the internet is not Yuzu's fault or responsibility.
This was the same argument people made about burning CDs. The irony is that nobody uses CDs anymore. One has to wonder if that'll extend over to Nintendo and their game console business.
Because no explanation was given as to why. Gdkchan didn't communicate with anyone why it was shutdown. Discord was set to read only and we're left to speculate. It would be easy to just say that Nintendo threatened him with a bad time, which would have be understandable. Considering how quiet he is, it's beginning to look like gdkchan was just paid off. If Nintendo threatened him then we'd all agree that Nintendo are dicks and nothing more. If he got paid to shut it down, the internet would be enraged over it, which would explain him being quiet.
right!? it was the horses head "offer they cant refuse"...
Sometimes getting to keep your original knees is all the payment you need.
Well, a drug dealer needs money up front for the goods, doesn’t make him any less responsible for what the buyer does with the drugs after, he’s still culpable since he provided the means.
Oh please. We all know everyone's actual use case for these emulators: piracy.
I don’t think it’s because Nintendo doesn’t like money. I think they feel they’re doing fine sales wise, no need to spend the money porting games and potentially take away reasons for people to buy their hardware.
I feel like most people who want their games, play them on their hardware and this is more akin to movie studio's who claim piracy kills sales, meanwhile they can not prove said person would of ever gone to the theatre or bought the BluRay
A quick search in Linux Mints Software Manager and I can install Lime 3DS from Flatpak. Even Ryujinx is still available from Flatpak as well. It's all open source software. Did they think it was just going to go away? From what I understand the Ryujinx code is actually very well documented and it might be easier for someone to pick up where Gdkchan left off.
Legally you can modify your own hardware and Yuzu showing this wasn't a problem. It's like not the tools are taken down. Lockpick for example is a tool to extract the prod.sys keys which emulators use, but Hekate also does this and it's still around. The worst part is that people assume it's only used for piracy, but as someone who's had to repair some Switch's, turns out you need it. If the flash memory fails, and it does, then that's going to help rebuild the software for your Switch. Without the prod.sys you can't repair a switch with bad NAND. It becomes a fancy brick. As far as legality, nobody knows why Yuzu was shutdown. The devs were actively sharing pirated games among themselves in a private google drive, which is what people believe actually got them shut down.
The things I've done would make you faint.
That's the case with older Switch's. Older Switch's can be put into hack mode with a simple wire trick and some software on your computer. Then Nintendo fixed it so you can't. My Switch is one of those Switch's but it's a pain in the ass and I just modded it anyway. If you shut off the Switch then you gotta go through the trouble to get in back into hack mode.
It's most likely that Nintendo is trying to prevent another Dolphin emulator situation. Even the transition from 3DS to Switch made Switch emulation easy. The Yuzu developers worked on Citra before they worked on Yuzu, which both share a lot of similarities. Both Yuzu and Ryujinx had plans to evolve into Switch 2 emulators. There's already Switch emulators on Android, so that ship has already sailed. It's not going to stop other people from porting Yuzu or Ryujinx from porting to these platforms. The reason Nintendo is suing everyone right now is because Switch 2 is about to be announced and they don't want people to think they could play these games on PC or Steam Deck. Nintendo is telling PC users to stop emulating and go buy a Switch 2 to play... Mario Galaxy Odyssey? Usually Nintendo releases a Zelda game for both older and newer consoles but they just released Tears of the Kingdom so I assume the Switch 2's launch title is going to be a Mario game. Maybe Metroid because Gabin forbid we don't see a squeal to Metroid Prime games?
Piracy is not the main reason for nintendo to go after emulation: it's ecosystem lock-in. PC sales are not going to be even close to the combined switch and future platform profits.
Well, it's not so much the legality of modifying your hardware. You bought the thing, it's your choice if you want to modify and make changes, even if it means it becomes unusable, but providing the platform for people to get games for free. I'm all for modifying, especially since if you can modify it, then it's repairable without having to send it in. On the other hand, they opened the door for piracy, which is exactly what the majority of people were doing on it. Essentially they killed an awesome piece of software by doing dumb shit. They essentially played a game of FAFO with Nintendo.
Soldering was always a weak point for me. Being legally blind in one eye made it exceedingly difficult for me to solder anything, so yeah, if I saw that I'd probably shed a tear or two. lol
I have one of the newer switches since my older one died, I was honestly trying to do it because I wanted to play TotK @ higher frame rates, the frame rate on the Switch gave me headaches.
I don't think it's the emulation that Nintendo is worried about since it required a physical Switch to do, which means Nintendo isn't losing a sale. I think it's more in-line with people being stupid and making pirating simple. The simple idea of emulation isn't illegal, as long as you own what you're emulating. It's the idiots who upload ROM dumps of new games that draws the ire of Nintendo, hell of any company that relies on software sales. I honestly also think why Nintendo also goes after other emulators is because of one of the biggest draws of their online subscription--the access to NES/SNES/Genesis/N64/GBA games, otherwise there's no logical reason for them to go after older emulators.
Media being convenient and legal is a proven method and reduces piracy.. I wanna get BotW on PC... im not paying 300$ for a potato to run that amazing game at sub 30fps...
I do feel like if Nintendo just released all their first part games on Steam there'd be a shitload less interest in Switch emulation.
It's still more than zero, which is what Nintendo is doing to themselves by not releasing their games on PC. There's clearly a lot of demand, and Nintendo's hired some really expensive lawyers to shut it all down. It is entirely for the ecosystem lock-in as Nintendo wants people to buy other games on the Switch 2. The problem for Nintendo is that the Steam Deck is better when it comes to third party titles.
If you own a Windows PC, Linux PC, or Mac then you have also opened the door to piracy. You can't make the argument that hacked Switch's will always lead to piracy, because that's not true. There are a lot of people who are very disappointed with the Switch's hardware and would rather play their games on PC.
This is what Sony did and it took a damn long time to make a PS4 emulator. The reason there is a PS4 emulator was because of Bloodborne, as it's the only game that people want that wasn't ported to PC.
I mean, I know people who've done exactly that. It was more convenient than figuring out how to dump the cart (particularly since dumping requires a very specific Switch firmware which was since patched and can't be downgraded IIRC).
If you're interested in playing Switch games and don't wanna buy a Switch then why buy the game? It doesn't make it more legal as far as I know. Maybe if you want a physical copy because there are people who still want that. I would just sail the high seas. I own a Switch because I love modding it and I'm big into portable game consoles. You don't need special firmware to dump Switch games. Also, used Switch's are really cheap right now. I wouldn't buy a Switch now because the Steam Deck is just super sexy. Valve has a refurbished Steam Deck program and the really cheap ones are sold out. Ebay shows that they never go bellow $300. It's insane how long Steam Decks retain their value.