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I had no idea that porn was "harmful to your health" in Russia. Damn man, if porn is harmful to your health, you're doing it wrong. Well, maybe bad for your eyesight or whatever the old saying is about making you go blind.

Russia's media watchdog, Roskomnadzor, has blocked access to two of the world's largest pornography websites. Internet service providers had until Tuesday to implement the ban. The sites now redirect to a message explaining they have been blocked "by decision of public authorities". In 2015, the authorities banned 11 popular pornography websites, saying many failed to protect children "from information harmful to their health".
 
When did Russia become the only sane country in the world?

It's like the reverse of the '80s when we were the good guys and they were the evil empire.
 
When did Russia become the only sane country in the world?

It's like the reverse of the '80s when we were the good guys and they were the evil empire.
Serious or Poe?

I mean, damn, the country is run by a literal madman...though I suppose respect for Putin might explain the morons who want to elect The Donald in November.
 
When did Russia become the only sane country in the world?

It's like the reverse of the '80s when we were the good guys and they were the evil empire.

I fail to see how banning porn site because some idiot parents have no idea how to set up blocks of their own makes them good or us "evil."

It's parents jobs to parent their kids, not the goverments.
 
Serious or Poe?

I mean, damn, the country is run by a literal madman...though I suppose respect for Putin might explain the morons who want to elect The Donald in November.

Thats "The Don" to you...
 
Relax....you haven't been the good guys since WWII.

You don't know what the fuck your talking about. You think this happened how?

Read up on it;
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Seoul South Korea 1950 just before the attack from North Korea.


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Seoul Korea 1953 a year before the end of the war.

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Seoul South Korea 2016, the tenth largest economy in the world.

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Russia is a strange place. I have a lot of firsthand experience. So much I love about it, so much I hate. The culture is one that is really hard for Westerners to get their minds around.
 
You don't know what the fuck your talking about. You think this happened how?

Read up on it;

Seoul South Korea 1950 just before the attack from North Korea.

Seoul Korea 1953 a year before the end of the war.

Seoul South Korea 2016, the tenth largest economy in the world.

I live in Seoul, so thanks for the pics of my hood. And if you think that any of that reflects on the US, you are just an ignorant narcissist. Seoul is an amazing city and I'm happy to be here. Now...

If you think the US involvement in Korea was in any way motivated by some kind of selfless 'Samaritanism', then you have no idea about your own history or that of Asia. I won't bother trying to run you through the details here because it is too involved and you wouldn't believe it anyway.

You will need to go back to the Japanese occupation of Korea from 1910 ~ 45, the 'peaceful' years from 1945 ~ 1952 and then into Russian history in the region and the affiliations between China, Russia and the Koreans living in the North. Then you will need to read through the biography of Kim Sung-il and see how he rose to power.

The Korean War may well mark the beginning of the US having nefarious agendas when going into a war; it certainly marked the second occupation of Korea; while the Japanese annexed the country, the US began a quiet, largely unseen economic and political takeover, one which has only recently started to decline. Yes, the US (along with many other countries who had no alternate agendas) helped save Korea from a certain Chinese/Russian fate, but when you go beyond the headlines you can easily find the real motivation.

Since immediately after the Korean War armistice, the US forces have quite consistently been a blight on this country. The Koreans today are quite happy with the drastically reduced US presence, the bases finally moved out of the cities (off of the prime real estate they commandeered) and no longer having to put up with the US bullying them politically.

Read "Korea's Place in the Sun: A Modern History" by Bruce Cummings if you want some history beyond the propaganda by which you have clearly been indoctrinated.
 
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Ha...if only all US interventions had those results.

So very true. But we shouldn't deny ourselves, our fathers actually, we shouldn't deny them their greater deeds. The Korean war was one thing, a UN war, many other nations were part of that war. It wasn't just Americans over there. Brits, Turks, Ethiopians even.

But when the war was over and all those others went home, it was Americans that stayed. They stayed, they stayed and they were there all during all the rest of the wars after. Still there today.

And all those soldiers, they left a lot of money behind, pumped their wages into the Korean economy. And even more, there is the tax dollars that working people and businesses in the US paid into our country that in turn was given as aid to South Korea. Today South Korea stands on their own. Seoul is 14 million residents and every day another 6 million commute into the city to work and do business. At the end of the day, 6 million go back home to come back the next day.

I suppose South Korea is a success story, maybe not everyone sees it that way, but I do. Everyone remembers Germany and France and most of Western Europe as far as that goes. But they always forget about South Korea. I can't say South Vietnam would have turned out the same, but I don't think anyone can say it wouldn't have, had the war gone differently.

Now the last 15 years, they just were not the same thing by any stretch. I wouldn't take anything from our guys and girls who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, but these two are just not the same thing and it's not on them. I had no problem taking Saddam Out, but hanging around like we did, well I think it was unwise even though I went there myself as a contractor. Turning your Army into cops, it's just unwise. That's my take on it, others will think differently for sure.
 
I agree SK was a great success story, but that was a country that wanted to succeed and had a drive to do so. Some of the other countries we were/are in don't have such ambition and makes it harder to get them to succeed.
 
I live in Seoul, so thanks for the pics of my hood. And if you think that any of that reflects on the US, you are just an ignorant narcissist.

If you think the US involvement in Korea was in any way motivated by some kind of selfless 'Samaritanism', then you have no idea about your own history or that of Asia. I won't bother trying to run you through the details here because it is too involved and you wouldn't believe it anyway.

You will need to go back to the Japanese occupation of Korea from 1910 ~ 45, the 'peaceful' years from 1945 ~ 1952 and then into Russian history in the region and the affiliations between China, Russia and the Koreans living in the North. Then you will need to read through the biography of Kim Sung-il and see how he rose to power.

The Korean War may well mark the beginning of the US having nefarious agendas when going into a war; it certainly marked the second occupation of Korea; while the Japanese annexed the country, the US began a quiet, largely unseen economic and political takeover, one which has only recently started to decline. Yes, the US (along with many other countries who had no alternate agendas) helped save Korea from a certain Chinese/Russian fate, but when you go beyond the headlines you can easily find the real motivation.

Since immediately after the Korean War armistice, the US forces have quite consistently consistently been a blight on this country. The Koreans today are quite happy with the drastically reduced US presence, the bases finally moved out of the cities (off of the prime real estate they commandeered) and no longer having to put up with the US bullying them politically.

Read "Korea's Place in the Sun: A Modern History" by Bruce Cummings if you want some history beyond the propaganda by which you have clearly been indoctrinated.


You're right, I don't believe it. I first went to Korea in 1982, married my wife there in '83, and we left together in '84. While I was in Korea I saw these same young Korean you talk about who are happy we have reduced our presence. I saw them riot and cause trouble, attack soldiers by jumping them in alleyways and such. I was also invited to farmer's homes to have a meal with their families just because we happened to be around. My mother-in-law lost a child crossing a bridge in Seoul just as they were going to blow it up to slow the Chinese. So while it's true that the younger Koreans are happy we aren't around as much, the older ones were so very thankful that we were. Guess which ones actually knew what was what?

That prime realestate your talking about was just another torn up chunk of land when the US military built the main base in Young-San. See the second picture above. It was Americans that developed that land, built a beautiful hotel and a nice golf course, some other solid buildings and a hospital. Of course they want it back now but don't talk like the US took some well developed land and squatted on it.

Following the end of the Korean War and for several years immediately after, the country was reported as a total loss. No roads, bridges, rail, power, no infrastructure at all still stood. I know about Kim Sung-Il, I was there while the old man was still alive and in power. I was also there for the bombing of the South Korean delegation to Burma when they just missed assassinating Chun Do Hwan.

But what you don't get is first, how much most of the Americans appreciated and looked up to the Koreans. The US Army does not salute our own NCOs, only our Officers get salutes. But the South Koreans do salute NCOs that are superior in rank. We were never told to salute the senior ROK Arnmy NCOs but we did and we gave them their own verbal "shout". We showed our Ally as much or more respect than we showed our very own.

I went back in 1988, 89, and 90. I had new young kids of my own and my family there practically raised my youngest for 3 years. Kid spoke Korean and not English, it was hard on her going back and forth. Many years later I was in country on a business trip, it was the 1st anniversary follow my Mother-in-Law's passing. I didn't know anything special was up, they invited me to come take part in the ceremony. It was a very formal affair and if you have never seen it, you wouldn't believe it. But they wanted me there and I did my best not to botch things up too bad, and they treated me so kindly.

So you keep running around with your young Koreans and your history books written by whoever in order to make sure that you think you know how things were. I'll just remember what I know from my own life there and the stories my family has told me, and I'll let the proof of those pictures speak for themselves.

A blight huh, we have just under 50,000 servicemen in country today, the lowest ever. They generally stay for a one year tour though many like myself extended their time in country. And for over 60 years they pour almost every penny they make into that economy. Specially the young men, shit we used to spend every dine we made in the bars and restaurants and on the girls.

How much money do you think the American blight pumped into that country in over six decades?
How many thousands of Korean-American families like mine exist today?
We brought a niece here to go to school. Her father was killed on a construction site just last month. We'll be sending money home to help, a lot of money.

You think you know what your talking about and you don't know a thing.

Don't forget to put a little water into your empty rice bowl.
 
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Very nostalgic, but quite irrelevant. FWIW, I have over 20 years here with in-laws too, with whom I also have had innumerable conversations about the Korean War. Yes, the Koreans have been trying to get rid of the US presence here for a long time, and one needs to ask why? If things were so rosy, the US so benevolent, why the disdain? If the soldiers were so critical to the economy, why did the Koreans want them out? Because they weren't and aren't stupid. They were colonized recently before the war and they know an occupation when they see one. Of course the older generation were thankful; who wouldn't be? But that debt had to end and Korea needed to get out from under US control, thus, the protests of the 60's and 70's. Were they naive? Maybe, after all, the US presence was a strong deterrent, but were they wrong? No. They just wanted their country back for the first time in 50 years.

At least you concur that hookers and bars is where your money ended up. As for Yongsan, it was an area once used by the Koreans for military exercises, taken by Chinese and Japanese invading forces in Korea's long history as a show of dominance and authority, moves seen by Koreans as oppressive. That the US took the same site for their base has always been seen negatively by the Koreans for the same reasons, raising the question of why the US would take that site to begin with. You said it yourself; Seoul was a dust bowl and the US could have located anywhere, yet they chose to nestle in the middle of that dust bowl. You'll be interested to know that the formerly scummy area around Yongsan - and like areas that surrounded all US bases in fact - have been cleared and Hooker Hill is gone. Chuncheon is also much nicer now that the prime downtown riverside real estate selected by the US for Camp Page has also been returned to the city.

The point was to discuss WWII being the last war in which the US was 'the good guy', the comment that got you all fired up, and that has not been disproved. Your post is a deflection, something I foolishly entertained in this and my last post, but to get back to that topic (which is still off-topic), prove me wrong. Yes, I read history and you should too. It might help with your myopia. The comment "You think you know what your talking about and you don't know a thing." is just old man talk. Spare me; I'm no spring chicken and have put a lot of time and effort into putting myself in a position where I won't have that said to me.
 
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When did Russia become the only sane country in the world?

It's like the reverse of the '80s when we were the good guys and they were the evil empire.
Not sure if trolling...

Anyways, this ban is pretty much all evidence required to see why Russia has no court system to speak of.
 
Relax....you haven't been the good guys since WWII.
Who says they were the good guys in WWII?

Are we talking of the same good guys who allowed half of Europe to be enslaved by communism in some backroom deal? Or the good guys who threw not one but two nuclear bombs on civilian targets?
 
Who says they were the good guys in WWII?

Are we talking of the same good guys who allowed half of Europe to be enslaved by communism in some backroom deal? Or the good guys who threw not one but two nuclear bombs on civilian targets?


Who dropped two nukes on civilians? ? ! Can't say I've ever heard about nukes actually being used in war, ever.
 
Who says they were the good guys in WWII?

Are we talking of the same good guys who allowed half of Europe to be enslaved by communism in some backroom deal? Or the good guys who threw not one but two nuclear bombs on civilian targets?

Ah, here we go, the expert on World History has spoken, listen up guys. :rolleyes: Naturally, the USA be bad, very bad, we clearly should have lost WW2 to put us in our place.

Edit: Yes, I am probably taking what you said a little to seriously but then, hey, it's Saturday! :) Also, I have never been much for revisionist history and the end of World War 2 was a good thing, regardless of the horrific way in which it had to end. Or, did you also have a problem with bombing the crap out of the "civilians" in Germany at the end of WW2?
 
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Shitting on the US seems to be the new cool thing to do.

Well just look at the American society now, it's not hard to find something to "shit on". A lot of great people here in the US, ruined by a minority of people, thugs, lazy ass social media crying babies.

If you look at the news across the seas, the news about America don't show a country of strong, free people, but of violent babies.

The "Andy Griffith" years are the only years I would want to go back and live in again. [H]ardocp woudl be a newspaper :)
 
Very nostalgic, but quite irrelevant. FWIW, I have over 20 years here with in-laws too, with whom I also have had innumerable conversations about the Korean War. Yes, the Koreans have been trying to get rid of the US presence here for a long time, and one needs to ask why? If things were so rosy, the US so benevolent, why the disdain? If the soldiers were so critical to the economy, why did the Koreans want them out? Because they weren't and aren't stupid. They were colonized recently before the war and they know an occupation when they see one. Of course the older generation were thankful; who wouldn't be? But that debt had to end and Korea needed to get out from under US control, thus, the protests of the 60's and 70's. Were they naive? Maybe, after all, the US presence was a strong deterrent, but were they wrong? No. They just wanted their country back for the first time in 50 years.

At least you concur that hookers and bars is where your money ended up. As for Yongsan, it was an area once used by the Koreans for military exercises, taken by Chinese and Japanese invading forces in Korea's long history as a show of dominance and authority, moves seen by Koreans as oppressive. That the US took the same site for their base has always been seen negatively by the Koreans for the same reasons, raising the question of why the US would take that site to begin with. You said it yourself; Seoul was a dust bowl and the US could have located anywhere, yet they chose to nestle in the middle of that dust bowl. You'll be interested to know that the formerly scummy area around Yongsan - and like areas that surrounded all US bases in fact - have been cleared and Hooker Hill is gone. Chuncheon is also much nicer now that the prime downtown riverside real estate selected by the US for Camp Page has also been returned to the city.

The point was to discuss WWII being the last war in which the US was 'the good guy', the comment that got you all fired up, and that has not been disproved. Your post is a deflection, something I foolishly entertained in this and my last post, but to get back to that topic (which is still off-topic), prove me wrong. Yes, I read history and you should too. It might help with your myopia. The comment "You think you know what your talking about and you don't know a thing." is just old man talk. Spare me; I'm no spring chicken and have put a lot of time and effort into putting myself in a position where I won't have that said to me.
 
Amazing you should mention ChunCheon, that's where I spent my first three years in Korea, where I met and married my wife. But Camp Page was not downtown or anywhere near the center of town at all. You talk about the riverside as if it were choice property but in a city that has been laid to waste, that was simply easy land to secure as you didn't have to build and man a wall all the way around as the river is a natural barrier. Does your twenty year span of experience cover 34 years ago with personal observation of that time?

The protests of the 60s and 70s were not what I was referring too. I was talking about the student protests, the little "let's go pretend like we are going to riot displays that occurred almost every other week in Seoul by college kids, who threw rocks and Molotovs at riot cops which rarely every actually hit a cop, cause yea, that didn't turn out fun when that happened. But these weren't Kwangju, nothing at all like Kwangju.

And it doesn't matter that hookers and bars are where large amounts of money entered the economy, it entered the economy all the same. So US dollars bought OB Beer, the Bar bought the beer from the distributors, the distributors from the brewery, the brewery bought grain and paid wages, the delivery trucks used fuel. The hookers needed beds, clothes, makeup, the went to restaurants or ordered food delivered, it was business all the same.

At least you didn't make the error of assuming my wife was one of the hookers. She was always thankful her mother insisted that all the kids finish high school, the girls that didn't never fared so well. But not all families could afford to send all their children to high school, some got no school at all. But the social, education, and economic structures of Korea are the product of generations and date back to times when Koreans, well, when Koreans were just the Han Chinese of the Han Dynasty, though they don't like to admit it.

So all five of the little GI bars that were outside of Camp Page are gone. That was a really big "slum" that amazingly looked like most of the rest of the city. It also looked mostly the same as any other market area of any other city in the country except a few of the largest.

My comments are no more off topic than the one that prompted it. And if you can't see the South Korea of today as a product of all that has happened along the way than I can't help that. The US was not an occupation force, an occupation force is used to control a population and we did no such thing. Find a single instance of US military forces doing anything other than providing security for the military compounds or acting in a military capacity in defense of the country and it will be new to me. South Korea has had up to 50 divisions of troops in her military ready to defend her at any moment. The only permanent combat unit stationed in Korea of any size is the US 2nd Infantry Division, 15% of which is made up of KATUSAa, Korean soldiers. The rest is support troops, truck drivers, hospital staff, MWR, air transportation, and the Air Force has their air bases with some forward deployed combat aircraft. South Korea could have sent us packing any time they had wanted to. There government doesn't wish to see us leave it seems. They must be getting something from us and our presence must be beneficial enough that we are worth keeping around.

You know, In the early 80s, as a member of a "force of occupation", I never felt anything but safe even while stumbling home drunk. The only concern I ever had was running into a drunk Korean who might feel offended if I didn't want to go somewhere and keep drinking with him. In the early 90s, it was a little different up in Tong Du Chon, there were more "unappreciative" types and sometimes a GI would get jumped if he were alone at night. I've even seen younger Koreans set up an ambush to provoke a fight with a black GI as he was walking in to work. The propped up a plywood at the exit from a narrow alley and stood hidden around the corner out of sight but their legs were holding the wood against the corners of the walls. It was about 5 AM, the GI kicked the board out of the way not knowing anyone was there. That was supposed to be the excuse, the Koreans jumped out like the GI had attacked them. Before anything serious got going and before I had to go help, the Korean Police drove up, then the US MPs, the Cops took the hooligans off and the MPs made sure the GI got on base. Still, in all fairness, I've seen some GIs be total assholes to the Koreans, beat a couple of American assholes myself to make it right. 50,000 thousand Americans, you have a have some assholes.

But if you want to get back on topic be my guest.
 
Ironic when factoring a lot of the porn whores on those blocked sites are russian.
 
Shitting on the US seems to be the new cool thing to do.

Imperialism has a long history of being rejected.

America put a spin on the policy. We are not expanding our borders like previous countries have, we are expanding an ideology. This still gets rejected as much as a flag does. Not everyone loves democracy and capitalism...but all humans get annoyed when being told how they can live.
 
Shitting on the US seems to be the new cool thing to do.
Or simply not viewing things through nationalistic rose tinted glasses. Don't get me wrong, I love the life I am able to lead, but I can acknowledge how we might have achieved that result.
 
Ah, here we go, the expert on World History has spoken, listen up guys. :rolleyes: Naturally, the USA be bad, very bad, we clearly should have lost WW2 to put us in our place.

Edit: Yes, I am probably taking what you said a little to seriously but then, hey, it's Saturday! :) Also, I have never been much for revisionist history and the end of World War 2 was a good thing, regardless of the horrific way in which it had to end. Or, did you also have a problem with bombing the crap out of the "civilians" in Germany at the end of WW2?

Yes because if I think the USA was bad that automatically means I think the nazis were good guys. Fucking brilliant thinking. The straw man is strong with you.

In war there are no good guys. I don't known who sent all Japanese Americans into internment camps. I guess that wasn't the US either.

The US was fighting holdouts in the pacific when they dropped the bombs on city centres. The war was practically over already. If it were a last ditch desparate move from the US with the japanese already landing on US shores, maybe then but only maybe I'd call it justified. But as things stand I still call it the worst war crime in history, that went not just unpunished but without any kind of prosecution as well. But the narrative is always controlled by the winners. Too bad I lived in the aftermath of the great soviet liberation, and still suffering it's after effects 70 years later.

And yes I Have a problem with bombing civilians in Germany too. Why would you think otherwise anyway? Oh yes because the us propaganda machine taught their people so well that the germans weren't human, that it even persists today. Fuck them they're not human they're only nazis, right?
 
Who dropped two nukes on civilians? ? ! Can't say I've ever heard about nukes actually being used in war, ever.
I've seen some crazies who claim that the moon landing was faked, or that the earth is flat, but this is the first time I see this stupidity.

Oh yes I understand, but your point is mute.
 
"Comfort women".

Gotta love the American soldiers abroad.

So you would compare a Korean girl who chooses to be a prostitute, is paid to work, and frequently enough can even find a client who will marry her, to a Korean women who were forcibly taken from their homes scattered across the Pacific to locals where they don't speak the language, and forced not into prostitution but into sexual bondage?

Your so fucking smart, explain why the largest and most open red light districts were in Seoul and foreigners were for the most part not allowed to enter?

Mai-Ri and Texas, you had to see them. And those are far from the only ones;
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But hey, it's the same in Germany, Amsterdam, pretty much all of Europe. At least in Korea it's illegal right?

You smart asses that think you know something are amazing.

Take some comfort wise ass, these days most of the hookers aren't Korean any more, they've been importing Philippines and Russians for about 20 years now. The more they try to shut it down, the more underground it goes and the worse it gets for the women who get tied up in it.

Trying to compare the hookers that worked around the US military bases to the Comfort Women from WW2 is just so absolutely insulting to those women. But don't worry, you got your shot in, be fucking proud of yourself.
 
Imperialism has a long history of being rejected.

America put a spin on the policy. We are not expanding our borders like previous countries have, we are expanding an ideology. This still gets rejected as much as a flag does. Not everyone loves democracy and capitalism...but all humans get annoyed when being told how they can live.


Sure, cause promoting self-determination is so terrible. You are correct about how people react to be told how to live. But that isn't normally what the US does is it? Now we have people who do think they can go push their beliefs on others, like Hillary when she went to China. She's not alone either. But you show me where the US went to another country and tried to suppress their beliefs, customs, or how they live their lives, I'd like to see it.
 
So you would compare a Korean girl who chooses to be a prostitute, is paid to work, and frequently enough can even find a client who will marry her, to a Korean women who were forcibly taken from their homes scattered across the Pacific to locals where they don't speak the language, and forced not into prostitution but into sexual bondage?

Your so fucking smart, explain why the largest and most open red light districts were in Seoul and foreigners were for the most part not allowed to enter?

Mai-Ri and Texas, you had to see them. And those are far from the only ones;

But hey, it's the same in Germany, Amsterdam, pretty much all of Europe. At least in Korea it's illegal right?

You smart asses that think you know something are amazing.

Take some comfort wise ass, these days most of the hookers aren't Korean any more, they've been importing Philippines and Russians for about 20 years now. The more they try to shut it down, the more underground it goes and the worse it gets for the women who get tied up in it.

Trying to compare the hookers that worked around the US military bases to the Comfort Women from WW2 is just so absolutely insulting to those women. But don't worry, you got your shot in, be fucking proud of yourself.

No human person is a wad of toilet paper that you use to wipe yourself and then flush down the shitter.

Sorry if I struck a nerve of yours.
 
No human person is a wad of toilet paper that you use to wipe yourself and then flush down the shitter.

Sorry if I struck a nerve of yours.

I agree. But Americans didn't treat Korean women like the Japanese did, not like Comfort Women. The Koreans had the same problem most of the world has, many more girls then they have guys to pair up with. The came out of the Korean War in 54 with a decimated country and it was pretty grim. The Korean people worked their asses off rebuilding their country, the US helped them and helped protect their economy by providing enough support that they could block most imports while supporting Korean exports. With much more money coming in than going out, they were able to build, develop, and thrive. But it didn't come easy and sometimes it wasn't pretty at all. Presidents like Chun Do Hwan are seen by many as brutal dictators but some will argue that these men did what had to be done even if it was brutal. The country continued to work and grow unlike the North where the opposite is true. That is your real world example of the other path.

So there is a difference and it's a big difference. Young Korean girls with no education and a poor family did not have a future in Korea for a very long time. Prostitution offered many of them something at least. I can't tell you if those girls in the booths in those pictures above had it any better than the ones who worked in the bars. Even the Korean barber shops were off-limits to the Americans because the girls who worked their were also prostitutes who would give a man a BJ for a decent tip. I do know the girls who worked in the bars were taking a long shot. Most fell in love with a GI easy enough, most GIs didn't treat them bad and their relationships very often were more like boyfriend and girlfriend. Sometimes they would live together for long stretches, frequently a year or more. Some got married, some didn't.

But the Koreans didn't make it easy for GIs to meet up with "good girls". We were only allowed in Korean Tourist Association, (KTA) bars. A Nice name for GI bars. We weren't supposed to go to regular bars and clubs. They didn't want us to meet their good girls from their good families, girls who had graduated from High School, or were in College. Koreans can be very very prejudicial, the have a very homogeneous racial population. Other Koreans could be pretty bad to girls who were in public with GIs. They could be pretty cruel and sometimes the GIs would try to defend the girl but it was not a wise thing to do. Chances are a GI could get beat pretty bad by an instant mob and then face charges from the Koreans or the US military.

So, that nerve is there and yes you did hit it. I appreciate your understanding. But the US soldiers neither created the situation nor took the kind of advantage to imply with the term comfort women. And it's a disservice to those women as well to make such a comparison.

Just as a side note. Over ten years ago Korea made prostitution illegal. It has increased every year since it became illegal. Today most of the prostitutes are foreigners, and they are frequently tricked into the trade. It's becoming uglier, nastier, and a lot more like how you seem to view it. At least the girls in the GI bars had a VD card and had to have an exam every two weeks to help control disease. If the MPs went into a bar and found girls without VD cards or with dated inspections they would shut the bar down and place it off limits. As crude as that may sound, it really was better for the girls that at least someone was keeping some sort of eye out for them. And if one got abused, well if the other GIs didn't fix him the MPs would.

Anyway, it was what it was.
 
Sure, cause promoting self-determination is so terrible. You are correct about how people react to be told how to live. But that isn't normally what the US does is it? Now we have people who do think they can go push their beliefs on others, like Hillary when she went to China. She's not alone either. But you show me where the US went to another country and tried to suppress their beliefs, customs, or how they live their lives, I'd like to see it.

Self-Determiniation is also the ability for a group of people (sometimes called a nation, but not always) to choose their own way of life, regardless of what those outside believe.

Thinking back just in the last 10 years: Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen and Libya.

All of those countries had their style of government destabilized and removed (or in the process of being removed) by outside entities, which generally was the United States. If Turkey wasn't a NATO member we probably would be pushing regime change on them as well. Your reaction is exactly why we have been so effective. We believe that we are helping these countries because we believe that their way of life is not suitable. This is like a rich man telling a homeless man he doesn't know what it's like to be alive because he doesn't have clean running water. The homeless man would probably still argue that he is in fact alive, and possibly just fine with his life style.

Americans believe what they are doing is noble. We are not pushing our nationality on others, so we do not perceive it as imperialism.

The middle east in general is just a great example of meddling. The middle east as we know it today was created by the winners of WW1 breaking up the Ottoman empire, with no regard to the historic factions and cultures that previously existed before. Today we are fighting ISIL, with the "L" referring to the Levant. They want to return to the geographical and political makeup that existed before the West came in.....and they seem to be pretty determined.

There needs to be a better balance of asserting our dominance in the world, while keeping down animosity for us doing so, if we want this to be sustainable.
 
But we are still diverting away from the main subject.

Sexuality itself isn't that bad, especially not at the level Americans consider taboo. But the over dramatization of it is causing a problem. Kids growing up on modern porn are going to have a distorted vision of what sex is about. All this anal, rough oral, ass to mouth, and other fetishes and not fetishes anymore. They are becoming normal porn. I have seen a large shift in the whole "old & young" genre.....which makes me think that might be the next "social injustice" to be addressed.....after we conquer homosexuality of course.

Society is a bunch of arbitrary rules that are designed to be limiting. We seem to be at a point where we can't accept that anymore. I don't think a society exists yet that doesn't have arbitrary rules. Maybe future generations will create this new type of society and the world will finally be a fair and just place.
 
But we are still diverting away from the main subject.

Sexuality itself isn't that bad, especially not at the level Americans consider taboo. But the over dramatization of it is causing a problem. Kids growing up on modern porn are going to have a distorted vision of what sex is about. All this anal, rough oral, ass to mouth, and other fetishes and not fetishes anymore. They are becoming normal porn. I have seen a large shift in the whole "old & young" genre.....which makes me think that might be the next "social injustice" to be addressed.....after we conquer homosexuality of course.

Society is a bunch of arbitrary rules that are designed to be limiting. We seem to be at a point where we can't accept that anymore. I don't think a society exists yet that doesn't have arbitrary rules. Maybe future generations will create this new type of society and the world will finally be a fair and just place.

Maybe if parents did their fucking job and actually paid attention to their kids and what they're doing we wouldn't have to wait for the government to overstep its bounds and try to play parent.
 
Maybe if parents did their fucking job and actually paid attention to their kids and what they're doing we wouldn't have to wait for the government to overstep its bounds and try to play parent.

I wasnt even thinking of the children. I was just thinking how detrimental in general it is to think its normal to go from a woman's ass to her mouth while spitting on her and grabbing her hair.

I know back in the 20th century it was possible for children to do things without their parents knowledge.

You could maybe even argue that if we allowed 1 parent to stay home and actually watch and raise the children, that that would promote a healthy society. But as it is, for most households both parents have to work.
 
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