[Rumor] Intel Core i9-10900KF - 10C/20T @ 5.2GHz

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  1. IdiotInCharge

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    I do both- and I get both perspectives. I do lament the decline of community-focused online gaming, and I hope that a sort of 'middle ground' could be reached at some point. I'm also always on the lookout for single-player games with good story and character development, alongside the mechanics that make games fun.
     
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    I disagree with the completely fake part. We have known for a long time that Intel plans to have a 10C / 20T mainstream CPU at the next generation. The other details may be fake but I expect the price of the 10C / 20T to be very close. And the 8C / 16T version should also be a $3XX CPU when this is released.
     
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  3. Cr4ckm0nk3y

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    As others have said Intel has no reason to rush out a launch of new chips and a new chipset to counter Ryzen. Especially with the new pricing of the 9900k ($449) and 9700K ($329).

    I had a 3700x setup ready to replace the 6700K in my gaming rig then saw MC had the 9700K for $329. 9700K still beats the pants off the 3700X in games and offers the same quality when streaming.

    Besides the issues with the slide such as use of code name and $ sign in the wrong spot. I doubt we will see anything enthusiast related from Intel until late 2020 or early 2021.
     
  4. Master_shake_

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    if you buy the intel based on these charts and nothing else you weren't in the market for an AMD cpu anyway.

    i'm not arguing with you i'm just posting an opinion based on what i just saw in those benches.
     
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    When does those prices start appear anyway? I'd love to replace my 8600K with the 9700K for that price :p
     
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    It could be fake but it seems plausible as a pre-release marketing material. I think the clocks + tdp look optimistic (I'd expect lower clocks or higher TDP) for the 8-10 core parts but maybe there are improvements. It could be genuine pre-release material but that doesn't mean these parts will have these specs if they become available.
     
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    I'm from Finland unfortunately, the cheapest price on the 9700K was 389 € at launch, currently it's 418 €(+). No signs of a price drop here yet (it has only got more expensier lol) so that's why I asked...

    Does the pricing change perhaps only as etailers buy in new stock at a reduced pricing from Intel which would make sense as I don't think the current stocks will deplete very quickly if so....
     
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    The size of your market is going to be a large influence, unfortunately. The economics are simply different in the US, but even here, retail price drops of Intel CPUs almost never happen.
     
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    $499 from Intel ? Hows about some Core i7 Extreme pricing at $999 or Skylake X (with all PCI-e lanes enabled) pricing .
    Even if the pricing is reasonable will require a shiny new expensive mainboard , but in all fairness will cost less than a HEDT board ...probably

    The only knock against AMD right now is that if you jump into their more expensive product ..there is very little OC headroom ..so the whole market machine of open loop and extreme cooling & mega fan towers etc doesnt unleash too much .

    Kenny
     
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    What benchmarks were you looking at?
     
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    Right now, there's very little OC headroom period. AMD listed 4.6GHz boost clocks on the parts that reviewers received and 4.4GHz was a no-go.

    Most of what nicer cooling will get you in either case, though, is quieter boost performance.
     
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    This is only partly true. The CPU's do not have very much headroom for overclocking on all cores. 4.3GHz is basically the limit for these CPU's. Boost clocks are more complicated. Essentially, there isn't a single core boost clock or an all core boost clock specifically as AMD puts it. The PB2 or PBO will attempt to run the cores at the highest possible speeds. Because it will hit one or more limits very quickly doing this, you won't realistically see maximum boost clocks on these parts going beyond a core or two. The issue reviewers ran into is that we never saw the maximum advertised boost clocks under any circumstances. We should have seen them on a single core at least running something like Cinebench R20's single thread test. We didn't, and the reason why is complicated. As I've said, this comes down to factors such as silicon quality, motherboard quality, motherboard and AGESA BIOS code, defined PPT, EDC and TDC values, and so on. I have seen 4.5GHz on my sample Ryzen 9 3900X. I've been working on this and the issue I've seen is that no matter what I do, it seems that under PB2 and PBO, the CPU voltage is hitting upwards of 1.5v when it only needs 1.35v to hit an all core speed of 4.3GHz.

    In short, I think these are issues regarding platform maturity. That said, because PB2 and PBO set the system clocks within either OEM or motherboard specified values, better cooling should net you higher boost clocks more frequently than lesser cooling would. Quieter boost performance isn't really accurate. That would depend on how your fans and cooling are set up.
     
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    That's what I'm getting at- right now, you're not going to push clockspeeds higher, therefore, better cooling is really only going to net you less noise under load (once the CPU hits its limits).

    I'm going to go ahead and assume that the core-limited boost clocks will be raised with future BIOS updates, and potentially all-core clocks as well. It just doesn't seem reasonable that we're not seeing more than ~4.3GHz.
     
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    Valid opinion, but I'm reminded that when I posted the Nvidia Super cards leak, people were screaming fake because the name sounded so implausible.

    Every tech blog and forum is discussing this, so it's a matter of Intel is issuing a denial now.
     
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    Agreed. People using common sense. Just wrong. ;)

    Of course they are discussing this, it spreads like wildfire, welcome to the internet. Fake news or real news. I am sure most can tell for themselves.
     
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    You make me miss Kyle so much right now.
     
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  18. Cr4ckm0nk3y

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    Pretty much every gaming benchmark. 9700K is faster than the 3700X in gaming.

    With regard to streaming, Bitwit did several tests and found same performance between the two.

    This is not to say the 3700X is not a good chip. I love seeing AMD come back and it is why I literally had it in my hands at MC; however, with a high end GPU and for my gaming rig the 9700K is a better buy.
     
  19. Zarathustra[H]

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    IF that B350 gets a BIOS update, and IF that B350 has sufficient power delivery for a 3950x or 3900x (most don't)

    Check the list:



    For most B350's it would seem like anything above a 3800x is probably risky.
     
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    Yeah, my Asrock AB350 pro4 is a 6+3 from what I read. The max cpu is a 3900x.
     
  21. Zarathustra[H]

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    Yeah, that appears to be one of the better ones.

    I was going to chime in and say "at stock only, probably can't overclock it" but then again, these things barely hit stock clocks as it is, so it doesn't seem like that will be a problem :D
     
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    So a 3950x pulls 100A stock. I should be fine at 150A then.

    If this rumor was true I’d go with the 10C Intel but there’s not a chance in hell...
     
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    Really thats not what I'm seeing the 3700x smokes the 9700k and trades blows with the 9900k is some games. What benchmarks are you looking at?
     
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    What?

    Might be easier for you to show what benchmarks you are looking at since every major review site/channel has the 9700K ahead of the 3700X in gaming benchmarks. The only one I can find that is not is Tomb Raider at 1440 in Guru3D's review.
     
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    Keep in mind that there needs to be a pretty wide safety margin. I'm fairly certain those are cold amp numbers. As soon as the VRM's warm up they lose their ability to provide current.
     
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    The price of your super leak was super fake, so the price of these is most likely fake too among other stuff, which is what everyone here is claiming.

    Of course that nvidia and Intel are always working on something better, but it's also obvious that they do leaks with sensationalist parts that only ultra fans will believe and then proceed to spread on every forum as gospel.
     
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    Are you sure about what you wrote? At 100 amps it would trigger just about every common household breaker ;)
     
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    Really depends at what voltage...

    Edit, to be clear... CPU might pull that much current at low voltage while PSU pulls low current at high AC voltage.
     
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    Yep. Ryzen 3000 uses about 1.3v while all core boosting, and about 1.47v for single core boosts.

    So, 100 amps at 1.3v is 130W.

    Now lets assume your PSU is about 80% efficient. This means about 160W at the wall.

    This is where it gets a little bit more complicated with AC, converting between Watts and VA and using power factors, but if we just treat it as if it were still DC at the wall, that means in th eus where we have 120v at the wall, that's about 1.35 Amps.
     
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    Oh yeah in games looks like its got 10 fps with on 9700k but not in multi threaded workloads. Intel is hard purchase considering the cost of their products.
     
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    I'm the exact opposite. I bought and played a few hours of Metro Exodus and it bored the ever living life outta me. To me pressing the next scene button in-between completely linear snippets of game world and CGI cut-scenes isn't gaming. Single player games today are a total linear/scripted snore fests. A game like PUBG has strategy, tactics, skill and never-the-same dynamic scenarios that gets your blood pumping. Literally makes you sweat. When you beat 99 others for a chicken dinner, you feel like you accomplished something.
     
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    You guys talking about 2D games or VR getting your blood pumping? 2D..... How cute!

    MP games can be good when played with the right people. Or one that is a free for all.
     
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    Summary: Do you stream your games or do compute? You already preordered Ryzen or are already on the platform. Do you game? You've already got enough Ghz and cores to do that effectively until we see huge leaps and strides in the GPU department where Ray Tracing is your focus, everything else already runs fine and if it doesn't, it's 90% likely your CPU isn't the bottleneck.
     
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    When you read a book do you high-five yourself for finishing it? No, you read a book to go on a journey. Most people who play SP games are looking for that same vibe. Multiplayer gaming is for people who don't give a shit about stuff like that, they are in it for the adrenaline or occasionally the social aspects of it, constantly chatting with others online while all colluding or competing in some kind of online experience. I'd say there's room for both, but one is not inherently better than the other.

    We've seen the split in gaming between, say, the Baseball fans (slower, more sedate) and the basketball fans (faster, action-on all the time). Not sure the industry has figured this out yet however, they seem to want us all to get on board the "JUST KEEP PLAYING THE SAME SHIT EVERY DAY ALL THE TIME! GIT GUD!" train.....personally, I say "Fuck That Shit, I'd rather read a book".
     
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    Beats the pants off? The 3700x is within minor percentage points that will be undetectable during game play.
     
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    The 9700K is $379 and is only good for games.
     
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    ...and literally everything else you would use a computer for.