[rumor] HKEPC: Radeon X1900 will be released in Q1 of next year

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  1. fanbanlo

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    source: http://www.hkepc.com

    Close partner of ATI said ATI will release a brand new video card to replace X1800XT. X1800 will be a half-year-old king. The card that will be replacing X1800XT is the famous R580. Its internal name is now X1900. It is Pin-to-Pin competiable with the X1800XT PCB. The engineering sample uses the identical cooling as the X1800XT. Its competitor will be nVidia Geforce G71, a new gen 90nm core. Seems like the Q1 of next year will be an interesting year as the war btw ATI & nVidia heats up.

    Futhermore, a cheaper version of ATI Radeon X1300, RV505, will also be released Q1 of 2006 to fight against nVidia G72. RV505 is about the same as RV515, the only difference would be the 80nm process which makes it even cheaper. Same idea as RV380 vs RV370 of last gen.

    The close partner of ATI also stated that graphics cards will break the record price. The highest card now is US$649, quite a lot higher than last year's 499. However, graphics card in 2007 will be as expensive as a CPU (~US$1000)
     
  2. Sharky974

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    Remember the 48 pipes :)
     
  3. robberbaron

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    It doesn't have 48 pipes. There likely won't ever be a card with that many pipes, since the industry will move to unified shader units.

    I love how despite the smaller manufacture process, they estimate $1000 video cards. Must be some expensive R&D.
     
  4. fanbanlo

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    2007 though... $1000? I thought hardware only gets cheaper...
     
  5. Sharky974

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    Bet me.

    There is plenty of info pointing to this.

    ATI will not redesign their pipe/alu structure right now because they would have to rewrite their compiler. Yes unified shaders will eventually take off.

    And there's 48 shader something's in R580..so you make the call.

    I'm not just saying this. I have studied the matter plenty.

    But we will see.

    Not only that but the record price info (from an "ATI partner) fits this as well. Because 48 pipes wouldn't be cheap.
     
  6. needmorecarnitine

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    "shader something's"?

    Sounds like you need to study more
     
  7. fanbanlo

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    why 48 though? wouldn't 32 be more logical?
    cheaper and more than 7800, and for sure more than enough to beat it?
     
  8. robberbaron

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    The R500 is what's supposed to have 48 shader units. Those are different from pixel pipes.
     
  9. Sharky974

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    I know those are ALU's.

    and R500 doesn't officially exist.
     
  10. robberbaron

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    I guess the xbox 360 doesn't officially exist either? Or are you referring to the chip's other name of Xenos?
     
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    You really aren't very good at researching, as you seem to have nothing but false information...

    The R500, as the man above me pointed out, is the Xbox 360's GPU. It very much so exists.
     
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    Hamster power...

    overclocked hamsters running
     
  14. Trimlock

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    teh R500 is in the xbox360 with a ton of cool tech in it (WOOT EDRAM)

    the R520 is a new core with a 16pipe design

    the R580 core is supposed to be the same design (by this i mean very roughly) as in 16 PP's but pass more ALU's along? something along the lines of 16-1-3-1, which would be the effectiveness of 48 pipes from the R300, and (man i'm getting a head ache from this) 32pipes on the current R520?
     
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    lol :D
     
  16. Brent_Justice

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    shader somethings

    i like that
     
  17. zantos

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    see my biggest claim is the indusrty could sell twice the amount of there products if they only reduced there price and not started doing the "telephone syndrome" when thinking of a price plan for all cards,lets face it if I have just bought an X1800 256 version and the 512 i released a few days later I dont start thinking bugger wish I had waited ..the reason is the media would have let me know in advance the price of the card and that over its sped and power sways me more..at the moment if prices are gonna hit the "TS" range then a 512 nvidia is gonna win..this is not to say that even there price is stupidly high..so instead of ATI and Nvidia playing the silly bugger games perhaps we as punters should boycott stuff until the market is a fair reflection of what people can pay..not on how may pipes or fps we get..but are we gonna first off get value???
     
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    Err no. Some people call Xenos R500 but that is not it's name from ATI (supposedly they didn't want people to think it was less powerful than R520 by the numbers).

    So it is you who is wrong..The x360 GPU is internally code named C1. And I can promise I know more about it than probably anyone on this forum.

    Look dont argue with me I can tell I know more than anybody in this thread by far.

    R580 is 48 pipes. We will see soon. But dont you think that G71 is now 32 pipes makes my statement more believable?
    Get ready for the Big Boy :) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28228
     
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    The hell?

    It's called capitalism.
     
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    My bad.

    Pipes, I meant.

    It's just that we knew it had 48 "shader somethings", many didn't believe it meant pipes.

    But it does because they wont rewrite the compiler.

    It's 48 pipelines. Just like the 16 in R520.
     
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    Oh sorry your highness

    Can I rub your feet while you enlighten us all with your immense knowledge of videocard technology?
     
  22. MikeP

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    Im smarter than u all cuzz I says so!. So very defensive for such a "enlightened something" one. lol.
     
  23. t[H]e1ns1d3r

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    The R520 and R580 both have 16 pipelines.
    The difference is the ALU design architecture of the R580. Its performance is equivalent to that of an asic with 48 pipes. It doesn't physically have 48 pipes. :rolleyes:
     
  24. gostriker

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    Glad I haven't bought a x1800xt, now I can get a x1900xt. Well at least there is something good about having old stuff. :p
     
  25. .::MAGE::.

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    Wow makes buying a x1800XT pointless let's hope they can ship it and get crossfire out there too otherwise they will never beat nvidia :(.
     
  26. tornadotsunamilife

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    Hopefully the R580's wont need a master card for crossfire either (a la X1300/X1600)
     
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    Source?

    Yes it does have 48 pipes.
     
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    Nobody is suggesting it on B3D but laypeople making guesses. Because they dont want to believe 48 pipes either. So they just say "no it's not 48 pipes". But they dont have any sources either. The important people aren't saying anything because they cant give it away. But they've said enough in the past.

    INQ just doesn't understand pipelines. They are unsure of themselves. Besides they're usually wrong on pipe counts. If anything INQ is really hinting 48 pipes. How else do you "process 48 pixels"

    Why can Nvidia have 32 then?

    The chip will be big, but not 3X big. Not close.

    Here's another thing, everybody has hinted R580 will take back the lead for ATI. How would they do that with just 48 ALU's? They couldn't. Nvidia is 32 pipes and 750 mhz.

    Total ALUS on R580 is actually 192.

    And the card will have weaknesses, like only 16 TMU's. It just wont be shader bound.
     
  30. covertclocker

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    You are teh WEINER!@@!@~@YAY!!@~@H4X!@~@
     
  31. .::MAGE::.

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    Wow alot of heat in this thread.
     
  32. R1ckCa1n

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    About as much as under the heatsink of a R580 :)
     
  33. Chilly

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    Did anyone else pay attention to the article other than me, $1000 PER CARD OMFG, I'm serous nVidia and ATi are gonna price themselfs out of the market, the day I have to spend 100$ on 1 Videocard, not even 1000$ for an sli/cf set up, no $1000 for 1 stinking card, is the day I kill both ceo's and hold people hostage!

    Chilly

    P.S. Just incase anyone missed the sarcasm, no I'm NOT gonna go kill people or hold people hostage, but I will boycott
     
  34. .::MAGE::.

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    I dunno about you but I would kill people and hold people hostage if they get priced that high! Seriously people need to get jacked because I know most of you people would be robbing me blind if I had one too :/.
     
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    Source?
     
  36. DougLite

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    How about we stick to talking about the silicon?

    My understanding, and it may be incorrect, of the R580's pixel processing power was that it has 16 pipelines, but each of those pipelines can process three pixels simultaneously, much like Hyper-threading on Intel CPUs allows two threads to move down one pipeline, one L2 cache, etc. Also, as I understand it, the performance boost from going to 16x3 will not be as great as going to 48x1, much like HT is not as powerful as true dual core/dual CPU.
     
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    Thats exactly what im thinking, it'll have lots of internal pixel pushing power but it'll only output through 16 rops.
    Sharky974 however thinks it'll be like a 48x1 part.
     
  38. t[H]e1ns1d3r

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    From inquirer: "From what we know the card won't have more than sixteen pipelines but will be able to process much more than thirty two pixels per clock. We will let you know soon how that is possible."

    They're telling you what I'm telling you. There are only 16 pipes. But the way the architecture is designed, it performs as if it has 48 pipes.

    And CrossFire of course will be a major part of ATI's product lineup. If nVidia has SLI, ATI will definately have CrossFire to do battle with. And with the design of the R480 CrossFire requiring a compositing engine, its a safe bet, that the R520 and R580 CrossFire versions will require a master card. And with the master card, comes the external dongle.
     
  39. John Reynolds

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    Not the external dongle!!!!

    </sarcasm>
     
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    OMG that is a clever and awesome quote!!!!