RTX market penetration

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  1. Legendary Gamer

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    The figures aren't accurate at all because an optional survey and it doesn't resemble sales at all.

    The hardware malfunctions were basically only FE cards too just FYI. Failure rate for those might be slightly worse but otherwise its the same as any other generation.
     
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    Seems a lot worse. Check Newegg reviews, some AIB cards have an overwhelming amount of neg reviews: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126265

    Majority of those are verified owners too. I've never seen that on GPUs that have a normal failure rate.

    I'm inclined to believe Kyle's 20% failure rate number. At least for the Ti. The 2080 and below seem to have a more normal amount of negative / positive reviews. And the failures may not be an issue now but I can definitely believe 20% of these cards were bad for the first few batches.
     
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    Theres 10 reviews on newegg and thats what you are using to back up the claim?

    I would also take what Kyle says with a grain of salt as well - he is unhappy he has to buy the cards like the rest of the consumers because he refused to sign their NDA.


    There are plenty of people who did actual research and tore down broken cards to find out what the issue was. All you have to do is look up the videos on youtube.

     
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    Usually the positive / negative reviews are more balanced, that's all I'm saying. I just pointed out that listing as an example, most RTX 2080 Ti cards on Newegg or Amazon don't even have more than 20 reviews on them. In fact most are in the single digits. So in addition to there possibly being a huge amount of failed cards, it doesn't seem to be selling well either.

    I haven't watched that video yet, but as far as I know no one still really knows what was causing the failures?

    My 2080 Ti Strix card I got a few weeks failed in a similar way to the FE ones (Space Invader artifacts). I'm on a second right now, and so far it's been fine.

    I don't believe at all that Kyle would make up the number just because he was unhappy about Nvidia not supplying him with review hardware. Maybe if this was a startup site just trying to generate drama for clicks, but not for how long he's been in the industry.
     
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    If Kyle was unhappy he had to buy the cards, then why did he offer to buy artifacting cards from readers and forum members?

    Also, you must be new here or not paying attention since you don't seem to know that Kyle_Bennett has been buying review cards on his own dime for years from both AMD and Nvidia. Every 2-3 years one of them pulls another stunt.
     
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    Damn. I'm busted. Guess we had better rescind those awards we have given to RTX cards.
     
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    "Best space invaders experience to date"
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    You understand its not the purchasing of the actual hardware that matters right? But that they didn't send him any to review like they did with everybody else and he had to wait for them to arrive just like regular consumers. Which is huge when you are reporting on new tech. All the other information was out way ahead of his.
     
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    The LN2 overclocking community seems to be saying it's the micron gddr6 chips. They aren't holding up in competitions and are failing. But the Samsung chips are fine.
     
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    I think it's a combination of people being smarter with their $$, lack of RT/DLSS games, not worth the upgrade from Pascal and hardware issues with these new cards...perfect storm...2nd gen RT is where more people will jump in
     
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    Based on what I have seen at my local Fry's they are not flying off the shelves. They are just priced way too high for most people to buy especially since many bought Pascal cards and these are hardly much of a upgrade for the price.
     
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    I think our RTX 2070 review was first in the world.

    If you have a bone to pick with me, why not just talk to me here? You seen to know a lot about my personal motivations, so please share those with me.
     
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    For someone that has had an account since 2014 you seem to have absolutely zero idea about how things work and the people behind the site.
     
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    Kind of moving the goalposts there, aren't you?
     
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    Hi Jensen, so that's why multiple members [H]ere reported seeing huge amounts of returns at retail and if you actually read the threads here, you'd know they are not just flounder reference edition cards with a few users having 3-4x failures, you know that 'fraction of a percent' failure rate.
     
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    Talk about assuming way too much. Kyle reported from his own card failures. So you are saying he is making shit up because he is unhappy? Common! Way to make an argument by making shit up. You can have an Nvidia card like I do but there is no need to make bullshit assumptions because you feel and need to backup your purchase or brand bias. Common!

    Go check out the reviews all over the internet even on amazon. Shit load of people said the same thing about AIB cards. Now the second batch might be fine but initially the problem was there.
     
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    I've been around much longer than my account here would suggest. And i 100% trust this site and Kyle, the very fact that they refused to sign the NDA, still gave awards to the RTX cards, should tell you that Hardocp is as unbiased in the site/reviews as they possibly can be.


    As for the Steam survey being incorrect because its optional... All you need is for it to show a trend, is it incorrect to say its showing sale numbers (yes), But its not incorrect to say it shows a trend among gamer's that the RTX cards are not that popular, which could contribute to low sales.



    Finally as said previously both companies have pulled shenanigans and ive always seen a professional response from the HardOCP team. Hey look here is AMD doing it https://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility/
     
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    Expect we'll see more 'penetration' when the lower-end cards are released and we start seeing 1000-series card supplies dry up. Good showing for DLSS would help, too, given that it is designed to increase performance, which would be a significant selling point for entry level products.
     
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    This is why I didn't get one. My Titan XP on water hits 2100 mhz in every game so it's already as fast as a 2080 so rtx is pointless. I'll wait till the 7nm refresh before I upgrade.
     
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    I'm not sure where you got this information from, but it's wrong. I, personally, don't have a FE 2080 Ti card and two of them have failed.

    There are over a hundred negative reviews on Nvidia's forums (specifically) + Newegg + Amazon + every damn re-seller on the planet + here. I'm fairly certain that there is a LOT of speculation as to what people "think" the issues are related to. The teardown's I've seen are bullshit with wild speculation. Not sure anyone has figured it out yet. About the closest we've come to that is what Kyle is doing in the interest of finding the truth.

    As far as taking what Kyle says with a grain of salt is concerned... Unless you have inside industry contacts at most of the AIB manufacturers, I'm gonna take Kyle's statements as fact, no sodium necessary.

    I will happily wait for the [H] to do their reviews of the emerging tech, first. At least we know it's going to be unbiased, factual and reflect real world performance. Not to mention, the reviewers here will wait to post the most relevant review with the most recent drivers, bug fixes and updates (like the Radeon 7 review that is pending) after speaking with the designer of the chips. The [H] has plenty of firsts out the gate, the ones that aren't are arguably more valuable than the other reviews that came before them.
     
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    for the $800 price of the 2080 you can build an entire system (CPU, mobo, memory, PSU)
     
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    It can be done for less and play games with an AMD 2200G or 2400G. Though if you're looking for solid FPS at 4K with Maximum Settings and that's important to you, you get yourself a 2080Ti (minimum 1080Ti/RTX2080). It might not seem like a great upgrade from a 1080Ti with it just being 25-35% faster for standard games, however, that's a pretty big difference.

    I don't use the RTX features. I just needed the speed (at 4K Max Settings). For me, it made sense... Other than the fact that I regularly beat my head against a wall when it does odd things ;)
     
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    I'm more than happy with my 2080Ti, but the damn thing did cost an arm and a leg. Most people don't need that kind of juice and even fewer want to pay that much for it. The whole line-up of RTX cards is incredibly niche right now.
    They're readily available at my Microcenter. I figured that (like the 1080) it would be sold out for 6 months. Yet I could go buy 5-6 off the shelf tomorrow if I wanted...and I if could afford that. :p
     
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    Guess I triggered the Kyle army.

    I wouldn’t call it moving the goal posts. Just clarifying what should have been obvious to anybody who was has been paying attention.
     
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    it looks nothing like 'space invaders'...
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    to me it looks like souls from user was transferred to card which was then RMA'd which means sent to NV where they will extract ut and do EVIL things with it... like level up ^_^
     
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    No, you didn't trigger the Kyle army. What actually happened is that you made several stupid statements and got called out on them.
     
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    Unless is costs the same or more.

    Edit: Also, this is the one thing I like about AMD specific hardware, it tends to be overbuilt and bulletproof. Whatever happen to the days when Nvidia released the 480 series that ran super hot but solidly, even in an SLI setup?
     
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    That’s a hilarious statement given the driver bugs, top of the chart noise, shitty sleeve bearings, and high temps of the $700 Radeon VII.
     
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    I knew someone would say something like this, my comment in no way was meant as trolling at all. Please, name me the last reference AMD built card that was not overbuilt and solid? I will wait. Unlike the overpriced space invaders games that Nvidia will not even own up on.
     
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    Didn’t the 290x have around a 10% failure rate? Fury X has pump issues that AMD denied until the consumer base made enough noise (including mine). RX480 was burning mobos, although I thought the pcie power draw pull was overblown, it was still out of spec.

    They’ve both had issues. It’s just funny you said AMD is overbuilt and bulletproof after the Radeon VII launch....

    Penetration is likely they launched the expensive cards first and they haven’t been out that long. Space invaders doesn’t help but I am not sure the average consumer pays as close attention as we do.
     
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    Two things. Some of us have a ton of experience with non FE cards going haywire (like myself for example). The other thing is if you're going to attack one of the most respected hardware journalists on the planet... You had better show up with your ducks in a row, evidence and a shitload of research to back up your arguments. Otherwise you're in for some backlash.
     
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    Most respected hardware journalists? Really? Hardocp is barely staying afloat man. Look at this website. Its dated and the users are old.

    But I digress, you realize that just because you had a faulty non-FE card.. that doesn't validate any higher failure rates than what would be considered normal right? It just means you have shit luck.
     
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    Seems you do not want to discuss your statements about me, with me, but whatever. You know where you can find me. :)
     
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    Like I said, you want to sway people's minds about what they believe about a journalist & a tech forum, you had better back that up with something other than wild generalizations and continued failure/refusal to converse with the target of those accusations.

    As far as my shit luck not equating to experience is concerned... I'm on my third card with issues. Others on this forum and elsewhere have reported similar issues from Plait, Zotac, Asus, EVGA, Msi, Nvidia proper, etc. Perhaps you should actually read this "dead" forum (and others) before making wildly inaccurate statements. If it's the ghost town you say it is, the daily posts from new posters wouldn't exist.

    You're free to have your own beliefs on this subject, however, thus far nothing you've said is backed up by anything tangible. I'm starting to think you work for Nvidia...
     
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    That's part of being overbuilt and bulletproof. The loud noise is there to remind you of its awesome power (consumption). I'm glad I've got that guy on ignore.
     
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    Nothing wrong with being older and knowledgeable vs kids that get their info from YouTube from guys like Linus. The rest of your statements, yeah these forums have taken a nosedive.
     
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    Thank you for posting that. I had no idea I could configure my settings to ignore him. Done.
     
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    Is this the Youtuber Jayztwocents?
     
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    I'd say your coverage shows bias for sure. You absolutely were bitter. And while everybody else seemed to be reporting that the NDA they asked you to sign was no different than any other NDA a company sending you products before a release date would be, you got your user base all fired up to make it seem like it was based on your coverage of Nvidia's garbage partner program.

    I think its funny how easily you have the people on this website eating out of your hand too. This thread is a great display of that, so is that little poll thread you had users take to determine if you should sign the NDA.


    Edit: I apologize by the way, I missed this comment earlier. I was bombarded with replies from your fan club.