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Imagine paying $1549 for the 4080 Strix when you could pay $1600 for the 4090 instead? Who comes up with these pricing models?
They obviously are selling. When the 4090s came out the Asus Strix card was the first to sell out at my MC. Hell they had a $1650 Gigabyte card was still in stock for two days before the last one sold.
 

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Zorachus Please read my above posts.

Good points thanks.

I guess I'm just pissed that after years and years probably a decade of consistent pricing in the $600 to $800 price for the xx80 series, now out of nowhere they're double that, but not getting anywhere near double the performance upgrade.

If the 4080 will have the same 12 pin power connector issues as the 4090 I'm staying far away anyways.

I liked what EVGA showed off for their concept early 4090 card, a 16 pin connector, and located on the rear of the card. That's a smart design.
 

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What I was actually considering doing originally would probably confuse some people a bit. What I wanted to do was sell off my 3080 10GB early, then pick up what was then called the 4080 12GB (now 4070 Ti). It also would have been a side grade in raw performance, but at least would have been over 2 years newer and have all the newer features. A hair faster than the 3080, better ray tracing, and only a little money put in after selling the 3080 + 2 months wait.

But since Nvidia screwed up its launch name and price so bad they had to cancel it, and the relaunch as a different model isn't nailed down I wasn't going to wait any longer to sell my original card and get something else. So, sitting on a 3080 Ti rather than lighting my wallet on fire for a 4080 16GB. And frankly I wouldn't bother with the 4080 16GB at the prices they are being launched at. I would just shop hard until I found a 4090 at around $1500. So much faster. But the prices are all non starters for me anyway so whatever.
 

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They obviously are selling. When the 4090s came out the Asus Strix card was the first to sell out at my MC. Hell they had a $1650 Gigabyte card was still in stock for two days before the last one sold.

I’m well aware they’re selling, but that doesn’t mean the price premium makes objective sense to rational people.
 

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What I was actually considering doing originally would probably confuse some people a bit. What I wanted to do was sell off my 3080 10GB early, then pick up what was then called the 4080 12GB (now 4070 Ti). It also would have been a side grade in raw performance, but at least would have been over 2 years newer and have all the newer features. A hair faster than the 3080, better ray tracing, and only a little money put in after selling the 3080 + 2 months wait.

But since Nvidia screwed up its launch name and price so bad they had to cancel it, and the relaunch as a different model isn't nailed down I wasn't going to wait any longer to sell my original card and get something else. So, sitting on a 3080 Ti rather than lighting my wallet on fire for a 4080 16GB. And frankly I wouldn't bother with the 4080 16GB at the prices they are being launched at. I would just shop hard until I found a 4090 at around $1500. So much faster. But the prices are all non starters for me anyway so whatever.
It matters if the 40 series shows improvement with onboard encoders your workflow relies on.
Otherwise raw raster performance wouldn't move me to upgrade.

nvram in bulk would be a good test vs speed

That in ofitself would be content for a youtube channel, as the 40 series upgrade would be a tax write-off.

Install something like stable diffusion local, run it against Win11 and Linux various and benchmark the gpus.
Go full clickbait and run crypto market analysis tools against various gpus.

Right now I'm on an M1 Air going "oh cool this POS project runs" and going back to my workflow.
 

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Scalpers think the card is worth as much as the 4090. Think I'll wait for the 4070ti just because the price is hard to swallow. If there is a flood of these cards I might reconsider.
What are you rocking right now? I am perfectly happy with my 3080Ti and 3070 and purposely will avoid the 4000 series fiasco. I just can't justify the ridiculous prices of the current gen cards. I don't think I will ever buy another brand new price hiked card after spending 300 over MSRP for my 3080Ti because I had no choice needed a HDMi 2.1 card for 4k 144hz. It's just not worth it when the previous generation cards prices so much more reasonable according to the price/performance you get for the money right? I mean I just bought a perfect condition 3070 for my secondary rig for 325 but It's because now I have the luxury of not needing a HDMi 2.1 4000 series card because all 3000 series cards are 2.1 you know what I mean? If I had that luxury last year I wouldn't have bought the inflated 3080Ti.
 

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Good points thanks.

I guess I'm just pissed that after years and years probably a decade of consistent pricing in the $600 to $800 price for the xx80 series, now out of nowhere they're double that, but not getting anywhere near double the performance upgrade.

If the 4080 will have the same 12 pin power connector issues as the 4090 I'm staying far away anyways.

I liked what EVGA showed off for their concept early 4090 card, a 16 pin connector, and located on the rear of the card. That's a smart design.
There is no power connection issues. As far as I understand it is all due to user error. The adapters are not being plugged in all the way or bending the adapters to the point of it breaking or malfunctioning. If the adapters are plugged in perfect and there is no damaging bending in the wires or plugs it works just as it should like any other adapters and plugs. Out of the thousands and thousands there is an insignificant number of failures unless there are masses of customers not reporting the issue but I doubt it after all the extensive testing done by multiple presenters.
 

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The other issue is the $999 7900XTX is fantasy pricing for a reference model that will be somewhere between hard and impossible to buy, unless AMD somehow produced mass quantities of them. AIB versions will likely be in the $1100-$1350 range. And if there's somehow an abundance of base model AIB 7900XTX cards for $999, the secondary market (scalping) will equalize that against demand and we'll see $1400-$1500+ 7900XTX on ebay for at least a few months.

I have always seen AIB base models around MSRP. Atleast the base ones, you will likely see OC models priced 100 higher. Strix will definitely be scalper status.
 

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Scalpers ? that model should be an regular overpriced $1199, I think:

https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/7493495/PNY-GeForce-RTX-4080-16GB-XLR8/

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2022/1...pic-x-rgb-graphics-card-gets-listed-for-1119/
A listing from Newegg can seemingly confirm that this GPU will be available for $1,199.99
Board partners need to have a model at MSRP from Nvidia, they just make so few of them they are basically non existent because they don't make money on those.

That's why people who singed up for the base models from EVGA never got a notification for those, the prefer to make the cards that actually make money for them.
 

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Board partners need to have a model at MSRP from Nvidia, they just make so few of them they are basically non existent because they don't make money on those.

That's why people who singed up for the base models from EVGA never got a notification for those, the prefer to make the cards that actually make money for them.
$1200 for that bus size is quite different than the 3080 at $700 too, looking at the latest 4090 sold on ebay they seem to be ofter the $1,599 models, not much a sign they are the most made by AIB, but the models you can scalp for a profit.

I am not sure around mid january 2023 how much room above $1200 would be for AIBs, would almost require $1600 4090 to stay hard to get because if you are to buy a $1450 4080 may has well upgrade to the 4090, $1200 being already close to that.

AMD apparently already offer massive cut on the latest Ryzen CPU in some market, GPU are different in some ways (but less without Etherum) and people do things, but I am really unsure I would understand the $1400 4080 buyer if there is a $1000 7900xtx on a shelf and a $1600 4090 on the other side, that said I imagine it will often be the only choice.
 
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$1200 for that bus size is quite different than the 3080 at $700 too, looking at the latest 4090 sold on ebay they seem to be ofter the $1,599 models, not much a sign they are the most made by AIB, but the models you can scalp for a profit.

I am not sure around mid january 2023 how much room above $1200 would be for AIBs, would almost require $1600 4090 to stay hard to get because if you are to buy a $1450 4080 may has well upgrade to the 4090, $1200 being already close to that.

AMD apparently already offer massive cut on the latest Ryzen CPU in some market, GPU are different in some ways (but less without Etherum) and people do things, but I am really unsure I would understand the $1400 4080 buyer if there is a $1000 7900xtx on a shelf and a $1600 4090 on the other side, that said I imagine it will often be the only choice.

I said it b4 and will probably say it again, but here in Europe, 4080 is 1.469€ MSRP, from the leaks so far, the cheapest Asus 4080 is 1809.90 € and the Strix OC is 1.969.90€ (around 1000€ more then the 3080) but I have seen shops who ask for 2.200€ for the 4080 strix.

4090's go from 2.299€ to 2.799€ in shops around my country (1.949€ MSRP), at least it should not allow for a lot of profit for scalpers.

So go go AMD grab some market share, though I hope their European prices are a little more reasonable compared to Nvidia as I can't find any info so far.
 

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I said it b4 and will probably say it again, but here in Europe, 4080 is 1.469€ MSRP, from the leaks so far, the cheapest Asus 4080 is 1809.90 € and the Strix OC is 1.969.90€ (around 1000€ more then the 3080) but I have seen shops who ask for 2.200€ for the 4080 strix.

4090's go from 2.299€ to 2.799€ in shops around my country (1.949€ MSRP), at least it should not allow for a lot of profit for scalpers.

So go go AMD grab some market share, though I hope their European prices are a little more reasonable compared to Nvidia as I can't find any info so far.
Those prices is comically hilarious. Absolutely go for a 3000 series unless you like flushing an extra 1000-1500 down the toilet for a card you don't really need?
 

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Scalpers ? that model should be an regular overpriced $1199, I think:

https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/7493495/PNY-GeForce-RTX-4080-16GB-XLR8/

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2022/1...pic-x-rgb-graphics-card-gets-listed-for-1119/
A listing from Newegg can seemingly confirm that this GPU will be available for $1,199.99

Nope, that’s just how Asus prices the Strix line, and people buy it because “ZOMG ROG”. I’ll give them full credit for being able to establish a strong brand like that, but as a consumer, it makes zero sense to me.

Every board partner has to have one card offered at MSRP, which is going to be their base offering.
 
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I'm somewhat interested in the 4080 FE. The 4090 offers so much additional juice that I actually don't even need it, so saving a few hundred bucks could be helpful with a new system build incoming. I don't think the 4080 offers the same bang for your buck necessarily, but that's not always what matters.
 

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I'm somewhat interested in the 4080 FE. The 4090 offers so much additional juice that I actually don't even need it, so saving a few hundred bucks could be helpful with a new system build incoming. I don't think the 4080 offers the same bang for your buck necessarily, but that's not always what matters.
I always go the opposite way. 4080FE to me is rip off lmao and too much for too little performance. 4090 is only 300 more and gives you so much more. 4080 at 899.99 or 999.99 woudl make more sense.
 

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I'm somewhat interested in the 4080 FE. The 4090 offers so much additional juice that I actually don't even need it, so saving a few hundred bucks could be helpful with a new system build incoming. I don't think the 4080 offers the same bang for your buck necessarily, but that's not always what matters.

Good luck finding an 4080 FE, let alone for the $1199 MSRP. It will be sold out on Best Buy's website in seconds on launch.

Even the 4090 FE is pretty much impossible to purchase still. Always shows Unavailable.
 
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Good luck finding an 4080 FE, let alone for the $1199 MSRP. It will be sold out on Best Buy's website in seconds on launch.

Even the 4090 FE is pretty much impossible to purchase still. Always shows Unavailable.

I'm not planning on buying anything for a few months, and I generally have a knack for snagging tough to buy stuff online. My plan is to put together a full build based around the 3D version of AMD's 7-series sometime in winter/spring. I'm hoping PCIE 5 power supplies (and drives) will be a thing by then, too. Around that time I'll have a better idea about the game situation and 40-series cards. Right this second, there are only a couple games that even push my 3090. If those games that were pushed to 2023 can run 4K/60 on my current card, I might just skip this generation and wait for the Ti's or even the 50-series.
 

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Nope, that’s just how Asus prices the Strix line, and people buy it because “ZOMG ROG”. I’ll give them full credit for being able to establish a strong brand like that, but as a consumer, it makes zero sense to me.

Every board partner has to have one card offered at MSRP, which is going to be their base offering.
Well, for both the 2080 and 3080 line, the Srix ROG cards were quiet and cool compared to most others. Which is cheaper than full out watercooling to keep noise down
 

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What? The 3080 had plenty of cool and quiet air coolers from EVGA, gigabyte, msi, etc.
I had the FTW3, XC3, Eagle/OC, and the Aorus Master(Plus MSI cards too), for the 3000 series. None compared to the strix on noise / performance. The only ones that I found comparable were the MSI Gaming X trio and SuprimX (Which were both priced high as well)(And of course the AIO cooled cards). I also had a few 2080Ti models (EVGA Black and the XC Ultra) and both were louder than the Strix. I didn't test many others there though.
I sit with my case 3 feet away from my head so I my be a bit more demanding in the noise category :p
 
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I'm not planning on buying anything for a few months, and I generally have a knack for snagging tough to buy stuff online. My plan is to put together a full build based around the 3D version of AMD's 7-series sometime in winter/spring. I'm hoping PCIE 5 power supplies (and drives) will be a thing by then, too. Around that time I'll have a better idea about the game situation and 40-series cards. Right this second, there are only a couple games that even push my 3090. If those games that were pushed to 2023 can run 4K/60 on my current card, I might just skip this generation and wait for the Ti's or even the 50-series.

You have a 3090 now? That's a great card, I'd just keep it and wait for the RTX-5080

The 4080 is probably just 30% to 40% than the 3090.
 
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You have a 3090 now? That's a great card, I'd just keep it and wait for the RTX-5080

The 4080 is probably just 30% to 40% than the 3090.

That may be the route I go. My original plan was to put together an entirely new build and give my wife my current machine this fall. Various delays for hardware and high profile games have changed things, though. Outside of maybe Wo Long, there doesn't seem to be anything that needs new hardware. I just have to hope my wife's current machine doesn't start dying in the meantime.
 

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Nope, that’s just how Asus prices the Strix line, and people buy it because “ZOMG ROG”. I’ll give them full credit for being able to establish a strong brand like that, but as a consumer, it makes zero sense to me.

Every board partner has to have one card offered at MSRP, which is going to be their base offering.
I did not click reply on the good message it seem, I was trying to reply to the high priced PNY of that message:
https://hardforum.com/threads/rtx-4080-countdown-to-second-best-tm.2023035/post-1045501188
 

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Nope, that’s just how Asus prices the Strix line, and people buy it because “ZOMG ROG”. I’ll give them full credit for being able to establish a strong brand like that, but as a consumer, it makes zero sense to me.

Every board partner has to have one card offered at MSRP, which is going to be their base offering.
HockeyJon nailing it. Don't even bother trying to understand the Strix thing. And if its a WHITE Strix GPU (Aka "the white whale") forget it - white Strix 3090s were going for $4500+ on ebay at certain points.

And yeah, credit where it's due. It's what all the other AIBs have been desperately trying to ape (ie Aorus, Suprim etc) but not successfully.

Every 4080 Strix will sell out instantly.
 
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HockeyJon nailing it. Don't even bother trying to understand the Strix thing. And if its a WHITE Strix GPU (Aka "the white whale") forget it - white Strix 3090s were going for $4500+ on ebay at certain points.

And yeah, credit where it's due. It's what all the other AIBs have been desperately trying to ape (ie Aorus, Suprim etc) but not successfully.

Every 4080 Strix will sell out instantly.

Following the Asus ROG group on Facebook is kind of hilarious for that reason. It's amazing the brand power they have.
 

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Well, for both the 2080 and 3080 line, the Srix ROG cards were quiet and cool compared to most others. Which is cheaper than full out watercooling to keep noise down

The 3080 TUF design was just about every bit as good as the Strix for a significantly lower price.
 

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HockeyJon nailing it. Don't even bother trying to understand the Strix thing. And if its a WHITE Strix GPU (Aka "the white whale") forget it - white Strix 3090s were going for $4500+ on ebay at certain points.

And yeah, credit where it's due. It's what all the other AIBs have been desperately trying to ape (ie Aorus, Suprim etc) but not successfully.

Every 4080 Strix will sell out instantly.
Yep. At my MC the Strix was first to sell out of all the 4090s.
 

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Comparing the 4080 to the 3090 Ti is like comparing the 2080 to the Titan Xp.
I was going to say not when looking at the price, but....

titanXP on launch msrp : $1200
2080 on launch MSRP: $800

3090TI on launch MSRP: $2000
cheapest 3090TI on pcpart picker with stock left (only 1-2 left in stock or just used model seem to be the norm on amazon): $1600
4080 announced MSRP: $1200

The price ratio of the card you choosed seem to be not that far off, if the $1200 model actually exist.
 

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The 3080 TUF design was just about every bit as good as the Strix for a significantly lower price.
I had a different impression, maybe because I disassembled so many TUF 3080s/90's to re-paste and re-pad. The TUFs overall felt "aluminum and hollow". The two-piece sandwich-design HSF was not great. Strix were all very heavy and just felt "solid core", and Strix is the only make of 30-series I never had to open up and modify any model. I did see board teardown photos and videos though, and things like the overkill quantities of VRM's were like the ASUS engineers saying "because we can / YOLO".

In fairness to the TUFs though I never kept a Strix around for personal use, since the build quality delta didn't translate meaningfully into higher gaming performance. Strix were mostly just cooler and quieter. ASUS also didn't bin the Strix dies.

I haven't disassembled any 40-series yet, but I'm guessing the build quality and materials delta TUF vs Strix in 40-series is probably even narrower than 30-series.
 
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I was going to say not when looking at the price, but....

titanXP on launch msrp : $1200
2080 on launch MSRP: $800

3090TI on launch MSRP: $2000
cheapest 3090TI on pcpart picker with stock left (only 1-2 left in stock or just used model seem to be the norm on amazon): $1600
4080 announced MSRP: $1200

The price ratio of the card you choosed seem to be not that far off, if the $1200 model actually exist.
"We jacked up everything to exorbitant levels so now the pricing actually makes sense!" The fact remains this card is a generational leap over the prior 80 series card and costs more like Ti or 90 level card. This card ought to be compared to the 3080, where it's roughly 50 percent faster, like the 3080 was about 50 percent faster than the 2080.
 
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"We jacked up everything to exorbitant levels so now the pricing actually makes sense!" The fact remains this card is a generational leap over the prior 80 series card and costs more like Ti or 90 level card. This card ought to be compared to the 3080, where it's roughly 50 percent faster, like the 3080 was about 50 percent faster than the 2080.
Maybe but I feel if that the case they would get scalped like the 3080 was depending what we mean, indeed

https://www.techspot.com/review/2099-geforce-rtx-3080/
https://www.techspot.com/review/2569-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080/

3080 was 48% of a 2080 at 1440p, 4080 51% over the 3080 possibly a flush

2 minor difference,
3080 was an jump over the not sure how legit but considered bad generation 2080, 4080 is compared to one of the best.generation
3080 was a 10gb card, 25% more than the 2080, 4080 is 16 gig, 60% more than the 3080

2 bigger difference, try to buy a new 3080 at a good price, on bestbuy.com the cheapest seem to be $860, an Asus 2080 dual-fan OC edition was $612 in october 2020, according to this:
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07NNVJ8VC?context=search

How much $700 3080 were actually made ?

I still do not see the $1200 and I suspect it is only because it will be low volume, but I can see in the "updated" environment why they did no the Ampere route and more the Turing pricing (Ampere price would have been smoke in mirror an impossible to buy anyway), the 2080 launched at $950 in today dollars, my feeling of where that card should be, between the 7900xt and xtx, not necessarily more powerful than the xt but Nvidia can afford to charge more and can offer more outside pure raster.
 
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