RTX 3xxx performance speculation

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For me specifically, I do most of my gaming these days on the couch, with my PC in the next room over. When I'm in my office where the system is, it's nearly silent for any non-intensive task, and I've got a headset on if I'm gaming in there. Can't hear it either way. I imagine the later is the case with many these days, throw a headset on and noise is no longer an issue.

What do you use to extend your mouse/controller/keyboard signal to the other room?
I have my primary system in my living room but it would be cool to have that run to a couple monitors in another room for more work oriented tasks or run it to a TV in the bedroom.
 

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It doesn’t, but thank you. Cold air is now blowing out the back of my case instead of hot air. It is noticeably less sauna-like in my room now.

Lol. That's not how it works.

The system stilla outputs the same amount of heat.

Doing anything else would violate the laws of thermodynamics.

No system not water-cooling, or even a refrigeration unit cannot make heat disappear. It can only move it from one place to another.

What's happening is you likely have more radiator capacity, so you are blowing out more slightly warmer (buy still cool feeling) air, rather than less really hot air, but still the same amount of heat, and once it mixes with the air in the room the effect is the same.
 

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Lol. That's not how it works.

The system stilla outputs the same amount of heat.

Doing anything else would violate the laws of thermodynamics.

No system not water-cooling, or even a refrigeration unit cannot make heat disappear. It can only move it from one place to another.

What's happening is you likely have more radiator capacity, so you are blowing out more slightly warmer (buy still cool feeling) air, rather than less really hot air, but still the same amount of heat, and once it mixes with the air in the room the effect is the same.
Don’t throw facts and science and logic at me!
 

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Don’t throw facts and science and logic at me!

In your defense.. more airflow can move the heat away from you faster. The room might be the same average temp but might be less localized? lol.. I'm trying.
 

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In your defense.. more airflow can move the heat away from you faster. The room might be the same average temp but might be less localized? lol.. I'm trying.

I believe this.

It is easier to feel a mass of hot air immediately outside the case if the air exiting is hotter.

In the water loop a higher airflow of less hot air may blend more easily with room air, causing a gradual room wide increase.

Usually when we feel temperature it is the difference between two temperatures which is the easiest to feel, rather than a slow increase of temperature in an entire room.

Anyway, seriously off topic, so I am going to shut up now.
 

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Is anyone else worried about preordering on the 17th, shits gonna be INTENSE! if i don't get one I'm gonna be pissed

I'm going to try to order a 3090 on the 24th. I feel pretty certain I won't get one. The chances of that are low, especially if the rumors of this generation being the next GPU crypto-boom are accurate...

Just be realistic going in, and you will be pleasantly surprised if you get one, not enraged if you don't.
 

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I'm going to try to order a 3090 on the 24th. I feel pretty certain I won't get one. The chances of that are low, especially if the rumors of this generation being the next GPU crypto-boom are accurate...

Just be realistic going in, and you will be pleasantly surprised if you get one, not enraged if you don't.
Let's hope if they sellout too quick on launch day that it doesn't take too long to come back in stock.

edit: Oh and btw referencing the mining link with photo, Inno3D confirmed that is their own testbed, not some random miner's.
 

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I'm going to try to order a 3090 on the 24th. I feel pretty certain I won't get one. The chances of that are low, especially if the rumors of this generation being the next GPU crypto-boom are accurate...

Just be realistic going in, and you will be pleasantly surprised if you get one, not enraged if you don't.

Highly doubtful miners would be interested in a 3090. Terrible bang for the buck.
 

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What do you use to extend your mouse/controller/keyboard signal to the other room?
I have my primary system in my living room but it would be cool to have that run to a couple monitors in another room for more work oriented tasks or run it to a TV in the bedroom.

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Wire...rd&qid=1599830584&sprefix=Corsair+couc&sr=8-3

I have one of those, and a Logitech wireless mouse. I've got both receivers, plus an Xbox controller dongle plugged into a powered USB 3 hub. Works great.
 

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Is anyone else worried about preordering on the 17th, shits gonna be INTENSE! if i don't get one I'm gonna be pissed

I am. I am going to try direct from Nvidia and best buy... Avoiding Newegg and Amazon.

My sneaky backup plan, if I dont snag a card, I'll buy a new 20 series from evga and immediately get into a step up queue. May take a while to get one, but it avoids the price gougers.
 

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How can 3Dmark ever be "interesting"?
Most useless synthetic craps in years...

It was fun back in the 3DMark 2000 and 2001 days. It was still useless as a benchmark, due to not being real world, but in demo mode I found it to be a fun tech demo of what modern PC's at the time were capable of if really pushed.

 

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I am. I am going to try direct from Nvidia and best buy... Avoiding Newegg and Amazon.

My sneaky backup plan, if I dont snag a card, I'll buy a new 20 series from evga and immediately get into a step up queue. May take a while to get one, but it avoids the price gougers.

Huh.

I haven't been inside a Best Buy in years! I didn't even think they carried internal desktop components. At least not any you'd want.
 

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Huh.

I haven't been inside a Best Buy in years! I didn't even think they carried internal desktop components. At least not any you'd want.
I found out 3 years or so ago Best Buy, atleast the ones in Vegas, has picked their game up with component selection in store. My only issue is they skimp on the value priced cases. They have a good mid level selection of most others with a couple lower end options to offset the couple high end parts. They went up as far as traffic vs Fry's here, I would laugh at the thought of seriously shopping before I searched online and it said available in store. I had to go in and see, surprisingly they had a nice selection and other people like me looking for parts.
 

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not even looking at the high end cards, what could they possibly have done to a 3070 to make it worth 40% more than FE?
FWIW, That's how PNY had the 2070 priced on their website when it launched too, I bought mine for $499 from a Ebay retailer.
 

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And also the thermals.

Didn't make a drop of difference on my system, either for short-term temps or for long-term soaked temps (85c short, 88 long) - maybe a couple of degrees, but it's still dissipating the same amount of heat. 10-series procs run hot. Threadrippers run very hot.
 

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It doesn’t, but thank you. Cold air is now blowing out the back of my case instead of hot air. It is noticeably less sauna-like in my room now.

Once it heats up, it transfers the same amount of heat to the air - just takes longer to fully warm up. If all you're doing are minor, peak loads that don't last it won't matter. If you're cranking away regularly, heat is heat - it still has to go somewhere.
 

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In your defense.. more airflow can move the heat away from you faster. The room might be the same average temp but might be less localized? lol.. I'm trying.

It doesn't react as much to quick bursts, which - if you're gaming or just doing normal things, makes a difference. The water absorbs the heat, and takes longer to disperse (and it's coming out of a wider area of a rad). So sure, for short periods it might be cooler than the immediate transfer... but try firing up prime. Heat is heat in that case :D
 

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It was fun back in the 3DMark 2000 and 2001 days. It was still useless as a benchmark, due to not being real world, but in demo mode I found it to be a fun tech demo of what modern PC's at the time were capable of if really pushed.



It's also a fun stress test. Fire it up, let it run for a bit, see if anything... dies.
 

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It was fun back in the 3DMark 2000 and 2001 days. It was still useless as a benchmark, due to not being real world, but in demo mode I found it to be a fun tech demo of what modern PC's at the time were capable of if really pushed.



Our definition of fun are wildy different I guess
Luckily games benches has taken over and there arefew sites thay post useless 3Dmark numbers...at least the good reviews 🤷‍♂️
 

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I found out 3 years or so ago Best Buy, atleast the ones in Vegas, has picked their game up with component selection in store. My only issue is they skimp on the value priced cases. They have a good mid level selection of most others with a couple lower end options to offset the couple high end parts. They went up as far as traffic vs Fry's here, I would laugh at the thought of seriously shopping before I searched online and it said available in store. I had to go in and see, surprisingly they had a nice selection and other people like me looking for parts.

I'm going to camp out early at best buy (haven't done that for anything in a while) Will be trying to buy on the typical websites while waiting outside.

Hoping the few cards they do get don't get "preordered" at 6am for pickup and beat me to it since they dont open until 10.
 

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Stress testing is just about the only use I see for the synthetic GPU benches.

Back in the day 3dmark was cool because it implemented new graphics features before they were available in games. Nowadays 3dmark visuals look like ass and don't do justice to new features. I had to read the manual to learn that Time Spy was heavily using volumetric lights and order independent transparency. Both are really nice but they weren't used in a very compelling way in Time Spy.

Don't get me started on the new ray tracing benchmark. That thing is pure trash.
 

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I'm going to camp out early at best buy (haven't done that for anything in a while) Will be trying to buy on the typical websites while waiting outside.

Hoping the few cards they do get don't get "preordered" at 6am for pickup and beat me to it since they dont open until 10.
Had me until campout, I've had a lot of good memories waiting with friends for launches but I'm not there for this one.

Do I want a card day one to play with and see if it's what I want sure. That's as far as I go with it though. Glad my hardware guys aren't around anymore. I'll just let the wife swipe cards until we get ours.
 

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Had me until campout, I've had a lot of good memories waiting with friends for launches but I'm not there for this one.

Do I want a card day one to play with and see if it's what I want sure. That's as far as I go with it though. Glad my hardware guys aren't around anymore. I'll just let the wife swipe cards until we get ours.

I haven't been out of the house or away from my kiddos in 6 months. A nice little 5 hour stint at best buy in a camping chair with my phone and my switch sounds glorious. If I can get a card, all the better. I'm in a small town with 1 best buy, so I'm just hoping the employees or scalpers don't beat me to it.
 

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Our definition of fun are wildy different I guess
Luckily games benches has taken over and there arefew sites thay post useless 3Dmark numbers...at least the good reviews 🤷‍♂️
Back in the day there weren’t as many alternatives. Especially as the few game benchmarks were either limited or skewed, or non universal. But that changed fast, and only the really old ones made any sense.
 

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Comments there are interesting. So if the 3080 is 'only' 25-30% faster than a 2080ti will people be angry? Seems ok to me for the price, but maybe the hype train got a little out of control.

That and a lot of people don't know how to calculate percentage faster. If you look where it's GPU limited SOTTR at 4k. 3080 is ~65% faster than 2080S, 33% faster than 2080Ti. Exactly in line with expectation given the DF numbers and those released by NVidia.
 

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Comments there are interesting. So if the 3080 is 'only' 25-30% faster than a 2080ti will people be angry? Seems ok to me for the price, but maybe the hype train got a little out of control.
Not really... more like disappointed. Adds marginal fps to some HQ games like RDR2 and was hoping for more.
 

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Comments there are interesting. So if the 3080 is 'only' 25-30% faster than a 2080ti will people be angry? Seems ok to me for the price, but maybe the hype train got a little out of control.

People have acted spoiled since Maxwell-> Pascal.
Either the forum posters average age dropped a lot or people's ability to remember fails bigtime 🤷‍♂️
 
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