Rooms at Marriott Complete with Spying Devices

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  1. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    I know all HardOCP readers will be excited to find out that when you stay at a Marriott hotel in the near future, you can look forward to an always-on Alexa device in your room listening for your every need, the recording all your activities and sharing it will hotel employees for their amusement. Marriott's No-Privacy feature however will not take video of you.


    Alexa for hospitality would assist in providing services ranging from ordering room service to requesting housekeeping or calling the concierge for dinner recommendations without picking up the phone.

    The company said the partnership will start this summer at Marriott’s select properties and the service will be available by invitation to other hotel chains.
     
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    Yet...I cant wait for the day when it does! Spring break will get a whole lot more interesting ;)
     
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    One of those useless robes placed over it...
     
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  7. Billy the Dimwit

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    I can see it now.
    Marriott's Alexas devices hacked, guests recorded, hacker at large but thought to be from Russia.
     
  8. ND40oz

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    If it's muted, it's not listening. That's how muting works with the Echo Dot, the button is a microphone mute, not a speaker mute.
     
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    I have a bridge to sell you...
     
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    That's one hell of an "if"...if you're that paranoid, stay home.
     
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    B00nie [H]ardness Supreme

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    Actually not. These devices have been found out listening you non-stop and accidentally sending commands even when you're not trying to. Only a Facebook loving moron would get one of these at home IMHO.
     
  12. kju1

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    No thats not even a stretch...you do know that your cell phone mic can be turned on at any time w/out your knowledge right? What makes you think this is any different? There are already documented attacks against pre-2017 echos and thats just the ones we know about.

    Always on microphones are a security risk. Period. The only way to be sure is to unplug the thing. Not mute it.
     
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    Because the button cuts the voltage to the microphones, they are not always on unless you choose for them to be always on.
     
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    Does it physically cut the power? Or is it just a software controlled switch that tells a chip to cut the power?
     
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/20/jef...-echo-is-harder-to-hack-than-smartphones.html

    Red LED lights are on the same circuit, no lights, it's not muted.

    And yes, if you're worried that someone physically tampered with the device, than just unplug it.
     
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    LOL no you totally could. Time and effort is all it would take to write a boot loader that would take total control of the device. But hey if you have faith in what Bezos says as the talking head more power to you.

    I guarantee you will not know going into the hotel room if the device has been physically tampered with. Anyone sufficiently sophisticated enough to tamper with one of these will be able to hide their tampering. Good luck.
     
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    Bezos said that close to 2 years ago, but if you consider his claim a challenge that you could do it without physically tampering with it, go for it.
     
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    Ive got better things to do and no interest. But these guys are busy finding ways to make it work: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinm...usly-record-everything-it-hears/#a1ee6844fe23

    Only a matter of time until someone writes a boot loader (if they havent already and its just not public).
     
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    phone rings... Yes this is the front desk, we see you unplugged the Alexa in the your room, we are sending up an person to plug it back in ok.


    But all joking aside, from the Marriott stand point, this is a amenity for its guests that they many find nice to have.
     
  22. Kyle_Bennett

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    Need to make a tool to short the units out easily. Once they have to start repairing/replacing thousands of those, they will be taken out of service.
     
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    Wonder if your Marriott room agreement now comes with an EULA and Privacy Agreement? Is there an Opt Out clause? Hope these things are more secure then the average electronic hotel door lock.

    If they are WiFi gizmos, can you could cause room service all sorts of fun by switching the gizmos between rooms so they aren't in the rooms they were setup for?
     
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    Or charge the guest when one fails from shorting out.
    It would be better to temporary jam wifi signals if it can't save recordings. Or just stop having things to hide.
     
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    Don't like it? Unplug it, or use another hotel chain. See? Simple.

    More think, less complain.
     
  26. Kyle_Bennett

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    Yeah, charging guests for broken electronics will work out good for them.

    I should not have to worry about hiding anything when I am in the privacy of my hotel room that I paid for.
     
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    If you broke stuff in your hotel room your likely be charged if they know you did it.
    If you have something to hide to begin with you have a problem.
     
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    Really dude? So you just give zero shits about any sort of privacy at all then?
     
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    Hell, if it's spying on me, I might as well find a 2nd person, bring them to room then start talking about where we buried the bodies/money or something... :D
     
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    If someone really wants to listen to me take a shit that badly... they can have at it. :cool:
     
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    Its not that I'm against privacy, people just have a messed up view of privacy. Like when people spill there life story on Facebook then get bitchy the second Facebook or someone looks that their posts.

    The hotel is not your home. If your bothered by something recording your voice your probably doing/saying something you should not in the first place. That or need to or need to man up and get some confidence in yourself and stop caring what people will think about what you say/do.
     
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    In the meantime, I'll just stop staying at Marriot's. Ta-da!

    Any place wanting to make my stay as unpleasant as possible will simply not be a place I will stay at. I have had that attitude for a long time.
     
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    You and your wife (yes, wife) are having a romantic night (a common hotel use). Are you seriously so dense you can’t understand that while not illegal people still have a right to privacy and not be recording banging? Nothing “wrong” about it. But by your reckoning the hypothetical couple should just stop caring...
     
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    Put a cone of silence over it?
     
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    When in the room, unplug. When not in the room, play a looped recording of "The most annoying sound in the world" from Dumb and Dumber. :)
     
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    pretty much this. if they have a problem with it.. well it will be their issue.
     
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    Everyday things in your mind that are apparently "wrong" or "shouldn't be doing":

    Fucking
    Discussing personal financial or medical information
    Mentioning an online username to someone when you aren't already broadcasting your life to the world via facebook
    Discussing politics and then having to deal with some disgruntled hotel employee
    Discussing that some particular aspect of the hotel sucks, and then having to deal with some disgruntled employee
    Discussing the items you're putting in the room safe(sure they're easy enough to break into, but why provide a catalog tell let someone know if it's worth their time?)
    Any potentially embarrassing conversation one might have while drunk
    etc.

    You must lead the most sheltered/boring life on the planet.
     
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    I think you meant to say "... unplug the thing and accidentally drop it in the toilet."
    'Cause maybe battery or supercapacitor.

    Of course, because people steal things from hotels, odds are that unplugging the spy device will trigger an alarm.
    So make sure you unplug it at 2AM, because the walls are pretty thin.
     
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    Actually, from a legal perspective, it in many ways is, just as much as if you were renting an apartment.
    You are entitled to an expectation of privacy in your hotel room, just as you are in your home.
     
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    It's always a bit insano to me how companies rush out to integrate other company's tech assuming that everyone wants it, eg, ipod connectors in cars back in the day instead of usb. Then when Ford and Acer recently announced they were bundling alexa with all their stuff, I knew it would start rolling out everywhere.

    It boggles my mind that apparently all it takes to put a listening device in everyone's home is to call it an Echo and give it some convenient features like turning on things with voice command. I know some people are cool with that and embrace new convenient things. I just hate when everyone else's stupid is forced upon me as well.

    Unfortunately, I travel a lot and have built up Marriott loyalty/rewads, so I hope there's an option to get a room without Alexa. And if not and I am staying at a Marriott, then I'll unplug it. I guess I'm glad Marriott rewards merged with SPG and RC now because I can start using those instead...
     
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