Rise of Skywalker

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  1. workshop35

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    This thread is not nearly as entertaining since the "Skywalder" in the title was fixed.
     
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    You're about...100 posts too late for that joke. :p
     
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    I can't wait till the porn parody comes out.
     
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    While I agree with Rey somehow being more powerful than Kylo in TFA (the end forest battle) made no sense, its not like Luke was very well trained before he went up against Vader in ESB. He had like a couple days with Yoda, and maybe a day with Obi-wan; yet he was able to at least competently hold his own for a while with a guy who had spent the prior years slaughtering fully trained Jedi Masters (and apparently ancient Sith). That said, her initial command of and power in the force is definitely far beyond what Luke had. I had hoped TLJ would explain this with something closer to a Revan/Bastilla memory wipe, instead of this "Rising Bad = Rising Good", plus the "The space magic is inside us all, and had been all along" message. I honestly would have preferred some Midichlorian based explanation to what we have gotten.

    I actually would have preferred it if they made Leia the badass female Jedi, maybe with Luke initially being her trainer, but then her enemy...
     
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    I know, we have way too many star wars movies now. I remember when star wars only came out like one every 2-3 years. Now there is 1 every six months.
     
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    Luke didn't complete his training - he left early, but managed to become awesome. Anikan didn't complete his training - he left early, but was a "genius pilot" as small child. Ben didn't complete his training - his master died with the Jedi. But Rey, who obviously had some combat training when younger, and some training from Luke, and other various mentors in her life is a Mary Sue? Cool story, bro.

    Luke was a poor moisture farmer who's grreatest skill was whining. Anikan was poor kid, who could never control his emotions. Ben was just.... a general, with basically no backstory other than he was in "the war." Leia was a spoiled princess. Solo was just a smuggler who did the kessel run in under 12 parsecs. And yet you expect a deep story about Rey and the current crop of characters? Cool story, bro.

    Luke becomes a galactic legend, taking out a Death Star, no complaints. Anikan was the best pilot in the galaxy and a strong enough Sith to take out Jedi across the galaxy, no complaints. Now a girl is the best, and you point that out, and it's a problem. Cool story, bro.

    Please, tell me more about how wonderful the character writing has *ever* been in SW... And how the other two trilogies weren't godawful. Please, tell me again how the old SW (despite the obviously references to Nazis in Stormtroopers, the obvious racism and sexism of the Empire, and the fascist totalitarian state that is pro-slavery, and is fought against by a diverse set of rebels including women and aliens, and lead by two women, Leia Organa and Mon Mothma) weren't pushing an agenda. Please, tell me more about how having a diverse set of characters instead of just white male is "an agenda." If anything, you are clearly indicating an agenda, bro.

    So.... if you don't like it... write your own, or fuck off.
     
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    ahem.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars#Film

    (Shortest time between any two films, including current ones, is 2 years, almost to the day. Sorry, facts.)
     
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    He including the side movie like Solo.
     
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    So, you hate Star Wars then, got it. :rolleyes: And yes, the other two Trilogies were actually pretty good. Well, except for Star Wars Episode 1 but that was because it did not make any sense, not because of Jar Jar...... :D
     
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    He says, My Sister has it, or something to that effect.
     
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    Well, I think the movies were entertaining. However, the idea that the Jedi have returned, as in Return of the Jedi, and years later, they are again on the brink of extinction was a terrible plot line. Without reading the books of the Star Wars Universe, I bet these movies are not even cannon. I did really enjoy Rogue One, though.
     
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    I love Star Wars. I loved Star Wars before any of the new movies (The Empire Strikes Back is the first movie I remember as a child), and read probably 50+ of the novels and all the tech manuals, back in the 90s and 00s before the crazy expansion and shift to "young adult novels" with the Young Jedi Knights series. But I don't own it, I'm not going to try to stifle it, because it didn't go exactly as I wanted it to. I'm also not going to just make shit up, and pretend like it wasn't pretty crappy in a lot of ways. That dialogue, tho... So bad... So cheesy... Such bad acting... I don't understand how people have forgotten how literally every single movie that has been released has been met with vitriol over the characters, dialogue, story, and acting. The special effects are basically the one saving grace. But really, none of them are so bad, and people will still love SW, and people will still pay lots of money to go see it, despite the Whiny Skywalkers, the hokey religion, the Ewoks, the blatant money grab Christmas Specials and cheesy offshoots, the Jar Jars, and the magical people who do magic that doesn't make sense and the rules keep changing...

    But, people need to complain about something, I suppose...
     
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    Ok. Honestly, I think Episodes 7 though 9 should have been about how the New Republic is kicking butts and taking names, even with the Empire fighting back but no, they had to ruin the story line and make it just a rehash of Episodes 4 through 6.
     
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    Star Wars: Episode IV –A New Hope May 25, 1977​
    1.5 years The Star Wars Holiday Special November 17, 1978
    1.5 years Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back May 21, 1980
    3 years Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi May 25, 1983
    1.5 years The Ewok Adventure November 25, 1984
    1 year Ewoks: The Battle for Endor November 24, 1985
    14 years Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace May 19, 1999
    3 years Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones May 16, 2002
    3 years Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith May 19, 2005
    10 years Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens December 18, 2015
    1 year Rogue One: A Star Wars Story December 16, 2016
    1 year Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi December 15, 2017
    .5 years Solo: A Star Wars Story - May 25, 2018
    1.5 years Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker December 20, 2019

    Sure, one time it's 6 months, but if anything, this more resembles the original timelines for movie releases... Eps 1-3 were the real anomalies.
     
  17. tempertantrum

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    I mean... wasn't 1-3 a rehash of 4-6? Why do we need another "the hero wins, end of story" movie series? How boring is that?
     
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    No, 1 to 3 was not a rehash but was an actual beginning to what occurred in 4 to 6. However, 1 made little sense, even after watching it a few times.
     
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    One could view 1-3 as detailing things discussed in 1-3, hence a rehash. I agree they didn't make much sense. But then I never went to a movie about magical space knights with lazor penises... er... I mean swords... to have it make sense, lol...
     
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    Starwars has been "progressively" rolling down hill since jar jar... pretty soon space feminists will rule the entirety of the star wars galaxy with an iron box; and all space men that exhibit any form of toxic-space-masculinity will be relegated to second-class space citizen status or exiled. Those space men that do not exhibit this behavior will still be permanently relegated and quarantined into the "friend-galaxy" until further notice.
     
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    I already mentioned Luke in my post, and agree he was definitely more skilled than he should be.... but he still got slapped down by Vader and was pretty clumsy with the force until he had a few years (between ESB and ROTJ) to train.
    Anakin had shown skill in the force with the podracing, but then he didn't actually do anything else to show skill with the Force or a Lightsaber until years later, after having been in Jedi training (you do know there is a time jump between TPM and AOTC, right?). Even then he is more over-confidence and luck than skill. It isn't until the final movie he is actually completely skillful.... and he didn't leave his training early, he was already a Jedi Knight, and was on the Jedi Council (who blocked him from becoming a Jedi Master because of his lack of control of emotions) in ROTS. And even if you want to call it leaving early... by slaughtering everyone else in it.... that was still YEARS of training.....
    I agree that the Rey-hate is over the top, but your argument is flawed. Unless the final movie explains how she got so good almost instantly, it is a gap.
    The rest of your argument on character development holds some truth, but while they got some wrong, they still managed to get it right enough to have a rabid following of fans for a film trilogy that came out around 40 years ago, who seem to have a deep investment in the characters.
     
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    Ignoring the Prequels, Disney had a chance to "fix" all of those valid complaints about Star Wars and instead, doubled down on them.

    As for the pushing of agenda, my only comment to that is in ye old days of yore... the women fighting side by side beside the guys (or doing something else showing they were just as capable) showed how powerful they were. Today we get the all-female montage where all of the women just magically come together and then go off to fight the bad guys without the guys to show, "We got this", like we got in Avengers: End Game.
     
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    The movie itself was good but I could have done without that. At least in Infinity War, when the women came together, they were already fighting and supporting each other, not like in End Game.
     
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    Wait, I'm confused... First, when was this time of "women fighting side by side beside the guys"? That *explicitly didn't happen, or when it did, there was all kinds of issues of tropes around them being almost exclusively love interests, or having to sacrifice themselves so the hero could save the day, or being held back. Or they have been "lesser." And everyone was ok with that, it was just "natural." These are well established and documented issues. Now, we finally have a few female heroes who are super powerful, and don't exist primarily to be a sexualized love interest, and it's a problem. We're talking about like less than one percent of the female characters in the movies currently, and it's still "an agenda" and not just slightly correcting the imbalance. Balance would mean that, since men and women are about equal in the population, in a world of magic as a great leveler, statistically, you should find that about half the most powerful people in the world are women.

    In the Avengers, I'm assume you're talking about Captain Marvel (and maybe Scarlet Witch)? I think you should take a step back and look at *how many times guys said "stand back I got this"* which you are completely ignoring. You're making my point for me, proving that you have an agenda based on what you have chosen to see and not see. In other words, your blind spot is that men being super powerful is the norm so you don't see how over represented powerful males really are.
     
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    You clearly have not seen the Avengers: End Game movie and if you have, you are just being difficult or intentionally obtuse, because the part he is speaking of is most definitely obvious. No, I am not going to say when or who because I do not want to ruin the movie for those who have not seen it yet. And yes, dudes and gals have fought side by side, without the love interest thing so please, you cannot pretend that you have no Agenda.

    Oh well, such as things are.
     
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    I have, actually. Trying not to do spoilers. I think it's interesting that, after explicitly pointing out that there's lots of similar scenes, you still focus on that one. I think you should take a step back and try to find a super hero movie where the hero (who is, in the context of the in the film the strongest) says some equivalent of "stand back I got this," and then count how many times it's a guy. Have a narrow view of a single scene in one movie like this is blatantly ignoring all other evidence that disproves your theory. Superman says it. Batman says it. Ironman says it. Star Lord says it... Need I go on? How many heros have said, "Only I can do this," or "you stay back here where it's safe?" It's almost *always* said by a male protagonist.

    But somehow *I'm* the obtuse one? Sure.
     
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    Oh, and... Name a couple of action movies where women main characters have fought side by side with men and there hasn't been a major romance with the guy getting the girl, or weren't sexualized. I'll wait.
     
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    I don't care if Rey is a prodigy with too much natural gift, she couldn't hold a candle to Snoke, so there is some balance to the universe. What went wrong is what they did to Luke's character. But hey, as adults, it's easier to see problems with Star Wars.
    But in our youth novelty has enabled us to overlook the flaws of the originals. Still, I can still look for enjoyment in the new stuff
     
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    As bad as the prequels were, they were somewhat entertaining and a good laugh from all the cheesiness and bad acting. TLJ is just bad in every way.... dumb villains, boring scenes, lame heroes, stupid plot, etc...
     
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    I would agree, some movies force romantic relationships into things when they aren't needed. I didn't think Jyn/Cassian from Rogue One really had any romance between them, but it seems some people say there was. Ripley from Aliens, badass without sexualization. Serenity/Firefly has River Tam was definitely the strongest of all of them, and there was no sexualized love interest there. I would say that Black Widow was every bit the equal of the rest of the Avengers and was not just there to serve as a love interest.
    What do I win?

    I think your user name sums you up well... but yea... I have an agenda...
     
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    Yeah, there were definitely love interest in Firefly but, they were worked in as part of the characters makeup and not forced. (One show that should have lasted more than one season.) The only Star Wars movie I have bothered to see in the Theater recently was Rogue One, which was quite good. However, I saw all 3 of the last Star Trek Movies in the Theater and they were worth it. The last Star Wars Movie was absolutely terrible.
     
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    Don't let my calm demeanor fool you! See how I'm clearly raging all the time! hahaha... no. My username is trolling. Sorry that one got past you. ;-) (Or are you suggesting that you're *that* IT guy, that Jenny keeps complaining about providing poor service and sexually harassing her, because that's your name?)

    That's great that there's a few. I think it's interesting that the first one you name is a Star Wars movie, which you've been bashing this whole time. I also think it's interesting that you name Firefly, as that's also a series that's been accused of having an agenda. Ripley was widely touted as either ground breaking, empowering, and feminist, a stark contrast to other movies bboth then and now (the Aliens series has been criticized for moving away from that more progressive stance on characters.

    Again... I feel like you're making my point for me.

    Oh, yeah....

    RAAAAAAGE ::stomp fists, slams feet, cries and screems::

    Better? :-p
     
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    Wouldn't that essentially be a repeat of the setting in the Prequels? I mean, we knew the battles were just for drama, the Republic/Empire would win. The manipulation and steamrolling of the Confederation set the stage for the fall of the Jedi/Anakin.

    I'm fine with the setting in the sequel trilogy. The New Republic is weak, Ben turned evil and drove Luke into exile, and the Imperial remnants coalesce into a existential threat faster than the Republic anticipated, setting the stage for the new trilogy with the First Order's blitz and the awakening of Rey/Ren.

    They're 'hero's journey' stories, they're inevitably going to be somewhat similar. There's a Death Star III and a few throwbacks, but 7-8 have definitely not been straight reboots or rehashings of the story or deeper themes of 4-5.
     
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    lol we already have Skywalker's back story...he was a farmer's kid until Obi Wan Kanobi got him...after Ani choked out his wife/their mom...

    what else do we need to know?
     
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    My name is rather tongue in cheek as well, as I work with the engineering group within a manufacturing organization, most of whom don't understand what IT is, and who have referred to me in meetings as "that IT guy". As for Jenny... not sure what she is telling you but.....
    I think the original point was that in the past, movies may have had an agenda, but it was subtle. Nowadays, it feels more and more like we are being smacked in the head with the agendas, and this applies to all sides of the spectrum.
     
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    They need to tell the story again so it'll be fresh in people's minds when they flock in droves to the Walmarts across America to buy the shitty Chinese made merchandise.
     
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    Hey just thought I would remind you that Trump is your President and Hillary lost.

    Happy Friday :)
     
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    #1 was Lucas trying to make a Disney-ish kids movie a la the Dumb live action Disney movies they were known for in the 60's & 70's. The obvious last minute switch out form a teen anakin to a child killed any 'romance development or character development'. So it was a complete waste. #2 was starting to make up for lost time by bad writing and sudden leaps in plot or character development. No 3 was actually better, but suffered from plot compression due to needing to close the arc and still make up time lost in #1. Long story short. #1 made it nearly impossible for #2 or #3 to be good. And after #2 being not so good, #3 had zero chance of being good despite everything being finally on point.

    Despite being not good, they weren't franchise destroying and lead to some good spin off properties.
     
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    Yep and although Episodes 7 through 9 are not franchise destroying, it was not for lack of trying. :D ;)