Rage Cuts Singleplayer Content for Used Copies

Well damn. My nephews can't even share this game and play single player. My sisters swap games for their kids and this effectively kills that. One more company for shit list. The only positive here is that ID Software let us know in advance so my sisters can avoid it like the plague.

Wonder what goodies they have in store for the PC.
 
I only play current gen' games on PC but these practices a very disappointing.

Two parties are affected by this -- the gamers and the stores. I wonder how much this trend will affect the latter and what/if they might do anything since it's my understanding that they make the majority of their money though the second hand market... Regarding the gamers, I find this unfair and agree with the comparisons with books and movies. It's hard to think that this is not motivated by anything else than greed.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
Places like Gamestop have been raping the consumer for far too long. Honestly that place is good for no one. They pay next to nothing for trade-ins, then sell them for an arm and a leg. They do nothing good for the industry.
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This. I only go to Gamestop if the locally owned store doesn't have something and I can't wait for Amazon to ship it.

BTW, Tim Willits needs to stuff it about "always on" DRM. It's a bad enough that Ubi does it, Blizzard is going to be doing it, and now you want to leap head first into the party? Cut through the crap and just tell us it only TRULY benefits Zenimax in the end.
 
cthulhuiscool said:
. Although I want to play this game, stuff like this really makes me not want to support the developers, so I might just wait for a good steam sale or something instead.
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If you're buying a used copy of the game, you're not supporting the developers anyway. So yes, you might as well wait for a good steam sale so they do get some of your support.

I don't like that it's getting "difficult" to buy used games any more than eveyrone else, but we do have to acknowledge that the game producers are getting the shaft. They don't care if you play their game -- they want you to buy it -- so they make money -- so they make more games. Used copies only puts money in gamestops hands (or wherever you got it from).

However, with the prevention of second hand sales, developers should be seeing more of the proceeds, and should therefor be able to reduce the prices of their retail games. But I don't think we'll see that happening...
 
Demon10000 said:
If you're buying a used copy of the game, you're not supporting the developers anyway. So yes, you might as well wait for a good steam sale so they do get some of your support.

I don't like that it's getting "difficult" to buy used games any more than eveyrone else, but we do have to acknowledge that the game producers are getting the shaft. They don't care if you play their game -- they want you to buy it -- so they make money -- so they make more games. Used copies only puts money in gamestops hands (or wherever you got it from).

However, with the prevention of second hand sales, developers should be seeing more of the proceeds, and should therefor be able to reduce the prices of their retail games. But I don't think we'll see that happening...
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Do you realize how wrong that is? What you're suggesting is there should be no used market at all, for anything. A publisher/producer is not entitled to keep selling their game for years at full retail and then whine if people don't want it. If they want, they can keep dropping the price to compete with used prices, and they will sell. But they don't want to.

And I am supporting the game by buying it used. I am much more likely to buy a sequel, make it popular with my friends, buy dlc etc.
 
Demon10000 said:
If you're buying a used copy of the game, you're not supporting the developers anyway. So yes, you might as well wait for a good steam sale so they do get some of your support.

I don't like that it's getting "difficult" to buy used games any more than eveyrone else, but we do have to acknowledge that the game producers are getting the shaft. They don't care if you play their game -- they want you to buy it -- so they make money -- so they make more games. Used copies only puts money in gamestops hands (or wherever you got it from).

However, with the prevention of second hand sales, developers should be seeing more of the proceeds, and should therefor be able to reduce the prices of their retail games. But I don't think we'll see that happening...
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Just means that people who swap games with their friends can't do so anymore. "Hey Billy want to play the new game Rage? Let me hold your Mortal Kombat 999 Super Gore Edition in exchange!" Billy responds, "Nay, can't play but 3 levels before I have to enter a code to continue that is tied to your account. And I know you don't want me playing your account because I like to strip naked and moon my opponents when I lose."

Consumer 0 and Developer 0. Because as soon as they read reviews or discuss the game on youtube they will find out about the DRM and leave the shit in the store.
 
All I can say is if anything like this is pulled with skyrim, I've had enough. I wonder why so many dev's are choosing right now to admit all the bs in their games. Diablo 3 always online, BF3 tied to origin, now this.
 
cthulhuiscool said:
All I can say is if anything like this is pulled with skyrim, I've had enough. I wonder why so many dev's are choosing right now to admit all the bs in their games. Diablo 3 always online, BF3 tied to origin, now this.
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Gaming is slowly going downhill that's why.

With Activision I can at least try to give them the benefit of the doubt for now and hope they use the removal of the offline singleplayer feature to expand the depth of their game like they did with WOW. Inn my opinion Diablo 2 was always way more about the Multiplayer mode, can't ever remember even playing singleplayer before.

With EA however I gave up on them a long time ago when they bought westwood studios and turned their franchises to trash. That and dropping support for their games way way too soon by to counter cheaters. It's obvious they don't give a shit about the games.
 
I'm sorry but I barely have ever bought used games on pc, except my copy of Quake 4 this many years later. Most pc guys either buy it new (store / download) or pirate the damn thing, sad to say. But it's true.
 
MrCrispy said:
Do you realize how wrong that is? What you're suggesting is there should be no used market at all, for anything. A publisher/producer is not entitled to keep selling their game for years at full retail and then whine if people don't want it. If they want, they can keep dropping the price to compete with used prices, and they will sell. But they don't want to.

And I am supporting the game by buying it used. I am much more likely to buy a sequel, make it popular with my friends, buy dlc etc.
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Let me try again at what I was trying to say:

It costs money to keep servers online, patch the game, make the updates that us, the gamers, want . The company that makes these updates don't see a dime when you buy a used copy, but you still expect them to give you the patches for free... to give you the online servers for free... to give you everything you want for free. Hows that a good business model?

I'm not even remotely suggesting there should be no used market. I mean, if you buy a used chair, you don't expect the manufacturer to support it for free. Why should that be any different with a game company? You buy a used chair, you sit in it. You want the manufacture to fix it, you pay them to come out and fix it.
 
^ Demon you're wrong, because the game had to be bought initially as new, to become used. :)
 
When I buy used cars and they are subject to a recall, I get free service from the dealer. As long as the factory warranty is still intact I get service from the dealer for other problems.

When I buy a used game and it is still within it's patch and DLC period it shouldn't be available for service? Could you explain to me exactly why not if the manufacturer received compensation when the copy was purchased new just like the used car I purchased.

Or am I thinking outside the box here.
 
I'm sick and tired of the sad argument that game companies are having to eat out of dumpsters because they're losing so much money to piracy and the used market. For fuck sake, the gaming industry makes more money than HOLLYWOOD! Didn't MW3 make a billion dollars in the first week or something ridicous like that?

Steam itself made a billion dollars last year.

Forgive me if I have no sympathy for this lame, bullshit excuse.
 
I'm ok with this. The person that buys Rage used is a customer of Gamestop, not id or Bethesda
 
I realize this is only a small amount of content but it still pisses me off. Publishers/Developers should go after Gamestop directly but not using us as proxies. I hope this trend ends before it even gets off the ground , between this , Mortal Kombat and Resident Evil for the 3DS ... this is a disturbing trend.
 
Serpico said:
I'm ok with this. The person that buys Rage used is a customer of Gamestop, not id or Bethesda
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Wrong. They are a customer of the game publisher/maker. The publisher is obligated to support the copy of the game, not whose hands its in.

No other software maker does this. Microsoft doesn't stop supporting Windows if its used, why the fuck do game companies think its ok?
 
MrCrispy said:
Wrong. They are a customer of the game publisher/maker. The publisher is obligated to support the copy of the game, not whose hands its in.

No other software maker does this. Microsoft doesn't stop supporting Windows if its used, why the fuck do game companies think its ok?
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EA did this with Mass Effect (2?) and some of their sports titles. Even if every game publisher did it, it still wouldn't make it ok.
 
lol and you all boughht into Carmack being for gamers

Stupdity.....it's everywhere
 
Used gaming is going away on consoles, this is just the start. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the next gen consoles almost completely do away with the 2nd hand sales market by tying games to online accounts.
 
Demon10000 said:
Let me try again at what I was trying to say:

It costs money to keep servers online, patch the game, make the updates that us, the gamers, want . The company that makes these updates don't see a dime when you buy a used copy, but you still expect them to give you the patches for free... to give you the online servers for free... to give you everything you want for free. Hows that a good business model?

I'm not even remotely suggesting there should be no used market. I mean, if you buy a used chair, you don't expect the manufacturer to support it for free. Why should that be any different with a game company? You buy a used chair, you sit in it. You want the manufacture to fix it, you pay them to come out and fix it.
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This in an argument I see often and it does not work.

The expenses you evoke are covered through the initial purchase of the game. Upon resale, the item is merely transferred to the new owner -- it is not an another product to support and thus does not create any extra cost to cover by the company.
 
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_PixelNinja said:
This in an argument I see often and it does not work.

The expenses you evoke are covered through the initial purchase of the game. Upon resale, the item is merely transferred to the new owner -- it is not an another product to support and thus does not create any extra cost to cover by the company.
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Finally someone who gets it. Publishers and some outspoken developers just want to double dip and eliminate used sales to increase profits and cut out the used market from small local stores to GameStop.
 
PrincessFrosty said:
Used gaming is going away on consoles, this is just the start. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the next gen consoles almost completely do away with the 2nd hand sales market by tying games to online accounts.
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I'll be surprise if those big publishers aren't already pushing the console makers to implement a system that they can use to lock their games to a particular console unit or user's account in their next console
 
_PixelNinja said:
This in an argument I see often and it does not work.

The expenses you evoke are covered through the initial purchase of the game. Upon resale, the item is merely transferred to the new owner -- it is not an another product to support and thus does not create any extra cost to cover by the company.
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common sense not allowed, please leave this thread immediately..... :eek::p (I agree with you btw)

actually there is a tiny cost associated with resale is that the publisher has to now store another account on their servers but again that is a self inflicted casualty as they do not have to tie their games to online accounts......

Ahh the good old days of having to enter a CD Key to get a game to work and you could activate it as many times as you needed to as you upgraded from one machine to the next.........
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
lol and you all boughht into Carmack being for gamers

Stupdity.....it's everywhere
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John Carmack doesn't really deal with the business side of id. This is coming from Todd Hollenshead(CEO) and/or the top brass at ZeniMax. Despite what people think, Carmack isn't he head of id and doesn't get to do whatever he wants(though he does get a lot of leeway when it come to the technical aspect).
 
SicKlown42012 said:
John Carmack doesn't really deal with the business side of id. This is coming from Todd Hollenshead(CEO) and/or the top brass at ZeniMax. Despite what people think, Carmack isn't he head of id and doesn't get to do whatever he wants(though he does get a lot of leeway when it come to the technical aspect).
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he claims to care about gamers, then he can take the time to open his mouth and say "hey, wait a minute here, since when is it a good idea to screw our customer base?"
 
Doesn't effect me. I buy the games new because second hand games are almost the same price at places like Gamestop.
 
Staples said:
Doesn't effect me. I buy the games new because second hand games are almost the same price at places like Gamestop.
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And you really can't buy used PC games and have them be useful anymore. I can see why someone would be pissed and as a long time console owner it miffs me as well as I get many games I have missed in the past used down the road.
 
I've been saying this for a while. At this point, we're essentially renting our games. I'd be fine with this fact if we were paying rental prices. But...we're not.
 
Game companies would ideally want the MMORPG model for everything, except servers for online content. i.e. pay $60 for the box, pay $X every month/year for the 'privilege' to own the game, and allow them to disable your copy whenever.
 
Staples said:
Doesn't effect me. I buy the games new because second hand games are almost the same price at places like Gamestop.
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+1

Even if they have a used copy of a game I want in stock, I buy used anyways. It's a joke when they sell used games for only $5 off the new price.
 
I'm getting it for pc. Doesn't affect me one bit. So what if they remove a transportation system in Rage for console fanboys? Just buy it new, or wait until it drops in price then buy it. Sheesh. People get too bent out of shape.
 
MrCrispy said:
Game companies would ideally want the MMORPG model for everything, except servers for online content. i.e. pay $60 for the box, pay $X every month/year for the 'privilege' to own the game, and allow them to disable your copy whenever.
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You forgot about purchases for mounts, hats, and weapons. $10 for the red cape, $15 for the winged lion mount. And a special deal for the ninja mask.

All of course to unlock some files already on your system.
 
Stereophile said:
+1

Even if they have a used copy of a game I want in stock, I buy used anyways. It's a joke when they sell used games for only $5 off the new price.
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Staples said:
Doesn't effect me. I buy the games new because second hand games are almost the same price at places like Gamestop.
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scojer said:
I'm getting it for pc. Doesn't affect me one bit. So what if they remove a transportation system in Rage for console fanboys? Just buy it new, or wait until it drops in price then buy it. Sheesh. People get too bent out of shape.
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First they came for the console gamers, and I didn't speak out because I was not a console gamer. :rolleyes:

I don't get the Gamestop hate either. If Gamestop doesn't offer you a good used price, buy/sell/trade it elsewhere. Ebay/Half, Amazon, CAG, Goozex, Craigslist, et al (hell, there's a FS/FT board HERE) also offer you the ability to buy and sell used games. Gamestop is there for people who value getting some quick cash over getting the most cash.
 
Ya, totally agree. People on the gamestop hate bandwagon are thinking very narrowly. You trade in your fairly new game for 30$ or so, they turn around to sell it for $50 or $55, so that means they're making money and are just making money by screwing over the world, right? If that were all there is to it that might be a somewhat valid complaint; however, think of all the other things they're paying for.

First they have wages for works (of which there are many since it is mostly retail), Advertisements, Office Space, Share Holder Dividends, Location Rent and Maintenance, Refunds and Returns for Copies which don't work and then resources to attempt to track down person who traded the faulty copy in, Losses for games which don't sell (I've seen the same damn copy of Fear 2 on the wall for years at my local gamestop, they're making no profit on it no matter how little they paid the guy for it), legal fees and trademarks, taxes (which will be a HUGE chunk and will probably only get larger), resources to secure contracts for exclusivity and deals to remain competitive... the list goes on and on and on.

Gamestop brought in about 9 billion revenue last year, but I'm sure all told very little of that is actually true profit. Hell, if even 1 billion of it is pure profit that's fairly impressive given the nature of their business and how much competition there is. Could you make more money per individual item you sell, sure. Could they stand to raise buyback prices a bit, probably. But the fact of the matter is they offer a service to conveniently trade in games at locations THEY pay for whenever you want, and you have to expect there to be some costs of that convenience. I claim no loyalty to gamestop in the slightest, I think I might have bought one or two things from them in the past couple years, but I'm totally on their side in this case. If you think the amount offered to you is unfair, feel free to spend the time to take it elsewhere and potentially get more, if you think the time and effort put in is worth the extra payoff, but every time you complain about them and how they deserve to go out of business and blah blah blah, you just paint yourself as an entitled twat.

Condensed version for today's ADD Gamer: Gamestop has more things to pay for than making sure you make a superdooperhappy bunch of money on tradeins, don't like it take your business elsewhere and stop bitching, shutup
 
Staples said:
Doesn't effect me. I buy the games new because second hand games are almost the same price at places like Gamestop.
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Stereophile said:
+1

Even if they have a used copy of a game I want in stock, I buy used anyways. It's a joke when they sell used games for only $5 off the new price.
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Surely Gamestop isn't the only option for 2nd hand games?
 
Pac-Man said:
I don't get the Gamestop hate either. If Gamestop doesn't offer you a good used price, buy/sell/trade it elsewhere. Ebay/Half, Amazon, CAG, Goozex, Craigslist, et al (hell, there's a FS/FT board HERE) also offer you the ability to buy and sell used games. Gamestop is there for people who value getting some quick cash over getting the most cash.
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Someone thinks the same way I do. I always used Gamestop for my games.

The stores are everywhere. Hell in Virginia there was a mall that had a Gamestop at opposite ends. :)

It's easy and fast. I'd rather miss out on a few bucks trading in a game at Gamestop then hassling with the likes of Craigslist or Ebay.

Good example...I picked up Halo ODST at the midnight release at my local Gamestop. I played it for a few hours only to realize how much it sucked. Put it up on eBay at about four or five in the morning with a Buy It Now price set. Was it nice having my game sold when I woke up a few hours later? Yes. Was it nice having to spend time and energy packing the game up and shipping it? Fuck no. It was a complete hassle.

There's nothing wrong with Gamestop. If you don't like their prices just go somewhere else.
 
MrCrispy said:
Wrong. They are a customer of the game publisher/maker. The publisher is obligated to support the copy of the game, not whose hands its in.

No other software maker does this. Microsoft doesn't stop supporting Windows if its used, why the fuck do game companies think its ok?
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I don't think I have a problem with a game publisher/developer cutting out the owners of used game copies from their support stream. Sure they are obligated to support the game but the owner of a used copy? I dunno about that. If I ran a company why would I give support to someone who didn't give me any money? If some companies want to do that then that's fine. I won't hate on any company that chooses not to. How they give out product support would influence my buying decision though.
 
Stereophile said:
+1

Even if they have a used copy of a game I want in stock, I buy used anyways. It's a joke when they sell used games for only $5 off the new price.
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Ever worse, the price of used games at Gamestop has always been $3 less than a new copy. It baffles me why people would buy a used copy. The only time I buy used there is when the games is not even being made anymore.
 
Who buys used games from Gamestop? Ever heard of Amazon? Ebay? The for sale/trade section?!
 
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