R7 1700 to Ryzen 3000?

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Jeff G

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I have a 1700 running 3.9ghz all cores currently. The price was too good to pass up when building my PC, so I went with that cpu.
Now that there's specs and a few preliminary benchmarks on the 3600, would there be enough performance difference to justify an upgrade?
Gaming only, I dont think I "need" an 8/16 chip so I'm looking at that nice $199 6/12 3600.
Any thoughts on going from a 1700 to a 3600? Worth it/not worth it? The chip will be watercooled and overclocked (as is my 1700), plan is to pop the 1700 out and pop the 3600 in amd keep everything else.
 
For gaming more clockspeed in the 3600 so likely yes.

Depending on your GPU , FPS target and resolution could be a nice lift.

1080p 120+FPS with at least a 1080 level gpu ?

Release is a couple of weeks out so should get some real info soon.

Looking hard at that cpu myself :cool:
 
Gaming at 1080p 144hz.
Gpu is a 980 ti running at 1600mhz (I haven't been able to bring myself to get rid of this card, it is an amazing overclocker).
Ram is a 3600/c17 2x8gb kit, running at 3200/c15 because I couldnt get anything higher that 3200mhz stable.

Once the next wave of gpus launch, I may grab a 1080 ti if prices drop on the used market.
 
TangledThornz said:
The 1700 is a decent CPU. Are you seeing performance issues because of it? If not, then delay upgrading till you need the more powerful CPU.
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To clarify, I'm building a second PC right now for my wife (her laptop is finally to the point where it cant handle her work load and she wants a desktop to replace it).
My options, as I have the spare parts, is to build a skylake/kaby lake based pc or a ryzen based pc (I have a z170 board and a b350 board laying around).
I figure a used 6600k and a used 1700 are around the same price point.
So I can try and find a used 6600k or hand down my 1700 and get a 3600 (and ultimately sell the z170 board).
The 6600k would be cheaper, but if the 3600 is a nice bump from the 1700 I may go that route. On the fence right now.
 
Jeff G said:
I have a 1700 running 3.9ghz all cores currently. The price was too good to pass up when building my PC, so I went with that cpu.
Now that there's specs and a few preliminary benchmarks on the 3600, would there be enough performance difference to justify an upgrade?
Gaming only, I dont think I "need" an 8/16 chip so I'm looking at that nice $199 6/12 3600.
Any thoughts on going from a 1700 to a 3600? Worth it/not worth it? The chip will be watercooled and overclocked (as is my 1700), plan is to pop the 1700 out and pop the 3600 in amd keep everything else.
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I don't think it makes much sense to lose 2 cores.

AMD says that RAM support will be better for Zen 2. So, I would expect that you'll be able to get more out of your DDR4. However, it remains to be seen if that will happen with X470/B450 or if you'll need a newer chipset for RAM support.
 
chameleoneel said:
I don't think it makes much sense to lose 2 cores.

AMD says that RAM support will be better for Zen 2. So, I would expect that you'll be able to get more out of your DDR4. However, it remains to be seen if that will happen with X470/B450 or if you'll need a newer chipset for RAM support.
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My thought is that I'm going to see very little, if any, gaming benefit of the 2 extra cores but the bump from 3.9 to 4.4 (or whatever the 3600 hits) combined with any other benefits it may bring might make sense.
 
Jeff G said:
To clarify, I'm building a second PC right now for my wife (her laptop is finally to the point where it cant handle her work load and she wants a desktop to replace it).
My options, as I have the spare parts, is to build a skylake/kaby lake based pc or a ryzen based pc (I have a z170 board and a b350 board laying around).
I figure a used 6600k and a used 1700 are around the same price point.
So I can try and find a used 6600k or hand down my 1700 and get a 3600 (and ultimately sell the z170 board).
The 6600k would be cheaper, but if the 3600 is a nice bump from the 1700 I may go that route. On the fence right now.
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I would go the 2nd route - build her the 1700 and get a 3600.
 
If the preliminary hype is accurate, then abso-freaking-lutely yes! It is going to be a big upgrade. Were talking a huge gain in single thread IPC, like huge as far as gaming is concerned, especially if you are playing games @ 1080p.
 
bobzdar said:
I would go the 2nd route - build her the 1700 and get a 3600.
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This. Sell off the 6600k for stupid prices on eBay or Amazon (seriously ppl pay retail) and give her the 1700 with a decent AIO so you can keep the clockspeed up.


I webt from a [email protected] to a 2700@ 4.35 (both AC OC 24/7) back to my 1600 once I saw what Zen2 was shaping up to be months ago. I got top dollar for my 2700 (right before the unofficial and then offical price cuts).


I did not really notice the drop of cores in gaming with a highly OC'd Radeon VII, but it hurt my mining lol. I am debating the 3700/3800, with a jump to 3950/Zen2+ next year with a mature x570.

The TDP between the 3700/3800 is making the choice hard. Saving $70 would be nice, but if I were to lose 200+MHz of OC headroom I'd rather spend the money.

I have a ton of rad space and power doesn't concern me too much. I just want 4.6+Ghz AC OC without spending $500 right now. If I were getting an x570 now I would just get the 12 core since you are getting 8 threads for $100! And higher boost but I worry about my VRM setup with the 12 core. It's only a 6+2 setup.
 
ccityinstaller said:
This. Sell off the 6600k for stupid prices on eBay or Amazon (seriously ppl pay retail) and give her the 1700 with a decent AIO so you can keep the clockspeed up.


I webt from a [email protected] to a 2700@ 4.35 (both AC OC 24/7) back to my 1600 once I saw what Zen2 was shaping up to be months ago. I got top dollar for my 2700 (right before the unofficial and then offical price cuts).


I did not really notice the drop of cores in gaming with a highly OC'd Radeon VII, but it hurt my mining lol. I am debating the 3700/3800, with a jump to 3950/Zen2+ next year with a mature x570.

The TDP between the 3700/3800 is making the choice hard. Saving $70 would be nice, but if I were to lose 200+MHz of OC headroom I'd rather spend the money.

I have a ton of rad space and power doesn't concern me too much. I just want 4.6+Ghz AC OC without spending $500 right now. If I were getting an x570 now I would just get the 12 core since you are getting 8 threads for $100! And higher boost but I worry about my VRM setup with the 12 core. It's only a 6+2 setup.
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I honestly think the VRM thing is going to turn out to be a bit overblown.

6+2 isn't the worst. I'm sure the 12 core will be fine stock on basically any x470/B450. and I wouldn't be surprised if overclocking is fine on a 6+2 Its rated 105w tdp, which isn't crazy.
 
chameleoneel said:
I honestly think the VRM thing is going to turn out to be a bit overblown.

6+2 isn't the worst. I'm sure the 12 core will be fine stock on basically any x470/B450. and I wouldn't be surprised if overclocking is fine on a 6+2 Its rated 105w tdp, which isn't crazy.
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I agree that the 14 phase x570 boards are overkill for 99.9% of buyers. My issue is that I push my HW to the limit and run it 24/7. I have invested a ton into 780mm of rad space for cooling, and have ambient temps that peak around 70F during summer (winter is about 60F since we like it cooler!).

My 2700 a 4.35Ghz AC turbo would pull about 281W (at the wall before UPS) and being fed through a 93% efficient PSU. That is the total system under heavy mining algorithms, which I've found are great stress tests.

I've passed 24hr of P95 with AVX and Adida 64 only to have it fail in 2 mins mining.

I'd want to push the 12 core to get that 4.7Ghz AC OC and I worry about the VRM cooling. My board has decent heatsinks that do their job, but I do not have any active air flow directly over them like you would with a HSF cooler.

I think I'm going to go through the pain in the ass method of pulling my top 360mm rad and switching the Gentle Typhoon AP-120s on it so it is an intake. With them @ 900rpm they move a fair amount of air. Currently they are exhuast with a rear 140mm intake and 3 EK Vadar 140s as intakes on the big 420mm rad up front.

I hate the fact that there is a good 5/8" of space between my case and the glass side panels, since it leaks a lot of air out and is nosiy enough I had to ramp my fans down 15% (it doubles as an HTPC). ..

I thi k I can switch all my fans to intake and create a ton of positive pressure (which means less cleaning and be picking up that 75lb case to take it outside) and the gaps will allow the exhaust to escape.

My only worry is noise, and what kind of harmonics that will create. It would require a lot of of work to o drain the loop and rebuild it back the way it is if the noise profile is bothe some.


Sorry for the long winded post. Guess recovering from back surgery and a ton of pain med make that happen!
 
Well, the 2700x just dropped to $199 as well.
That makes the 2700x and 3600 the same price point. Going to be a tough decision here.
 
Your current CPU (8 cores/16 threads)is the midrange gaming near-future: PS5 is expected to ship with 8 Ryzen 2 cores. I wouldn't downgrade to 6 cores, when the price difference is so small.

So if you want to get the higher clocks plus new architecture, jump on the 3700X. it should be trivial to overclock to "almost" 3800x, and cost only $329. It is basically the same CPU in the lineup s the 1700 was at launch.
 
But the 1700 was $140 when i bought it. And the 2700x, as well as 3600, are $199. $329 is quite the step up, that's a 65% increase in price.
 
Jeff G said:
But the 1700 was $140 when i bought it. And the 2700x, as well as 3600, are $199. $329 is quite the step up, that's a 65% increase in price.
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Well then, why don't you wait until the get the same price drops on Ryzen 2? You didn't buy Ryzen 1 on release day, and you certainly don't have to buy Ryzen 2 on release day.

Don't make up excuses like "I don't need 8 cores for gaming" just to justify an overpriced day-1 downgrade. Unless you're playing an incredibly single-threaded game (and hitting a limit), then you're wasting your money.

I wouldn't waste money on the 2700x either. It's only 10% higher clock than what you have. Save your money for the real upgrade I already told you about, where you get 20% higher clocks and 15% higher IPC (both single and multi-core)

Yes, by this time next year the 3700x will be down to $279, with occasional deals, because AMD is expected to release the Ryzen 2+ refresh (4000-series, with native Ryzen 2 APU). And Intel is expected to release a 10-core to compete with Ryzen 2 latter this year, which should make 8-core chips way cheaper.
 
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3600 at $199 is "an overpriced day-1 downgrade" from the 1700?
I mean, if there's a legitimate fps increase in gaming between the 8/16 and 6/12 chips, I'd look at them. But I havent found a single credible source that shows that. I'm open to some good reading if you have any links.
 
3600 at $199 is "an overpriced day-1 downgrade" from the 1700?
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I think its a side grade that will be more energy efficient and add some additional improvements in the future if you upgrade to X570.
 
drescherjm said:
I think its a side grade that will be more energy efficient and add some additional improvements in the future if you upgrade to X570.
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No interest in the x570 boards at the moment (too pricey for me). If I'm on a x470 board, and the 3600 is only a side-grade, I will probably stick with the 1700 for now. I just cant see spending $330 for the 3700x.
The $200 segment is where things are appealing to me.
 
If I'm on a x470 board, and the 3600 is only a side-grade, I will probably stick with the 1700 for now. I just cant see spending $330 for the 3700x.
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I think that is the best for now.
 
Get the 3600 and build another computer around the 1700, problem solved. :D
 
ManofGod said:
Get the 3600 and build another computer around the 1700, problem solved. :D
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I'm building a second computer either way, the wife wants one for work. If I keep the 1700, I may find something like a 2400g for her. Or give her the 1700 and either get the 3600 or move back to intel with a 7700k (assuming I can find a decent price on a used one)
 
You don't need to go anywhere with a 1700 if 1080p 144hz is your target, unless you are trying to break to 240hz.

In that case your game build has to be optimized like CS, Fortnite, or Overwatch, otherwise you'll end up finding that BF5, BO4, Witcher, Tomb Raider, etc barely crack 180hz. This was using a 7820x OR a 7700k all core maxed with an aio cooled 1080ti. Some game updates actually dropped frame rate significantly, which you cannot buy your way around.

Maybe look at a Dell 1440p tn panel if twitchy fps are your thing, or an IPS ultrawide @ 3440 if you like big experience single player as an improvement target.

I can feel a diff btw 100hz and 165hz.
I also notice a diff btw 165hz and 240hz.

Those are edge cases tracing guys with an AR or sniper in very specific game builds. If your kill average drops significantly, or the games you play give an edge to highest fps in a gunfight, then take CPU farther out of the equation.

If expansive games are your thing, ultrawide and a new GPU.
 
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