Question about Samsung 4K Big Screens

Discussion in 'Displays' started by Booyaah, Nov 14, 2015.

  1. Booyaah

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    Hey guys,

    My current 7 yr old Visio plasma is going out (like it doesn't turn on 1/2 the time now). So I was currently thinking about the Samsung 4K UHD JU6700 Series Curved Smart TV - 65” for $1600.

    I notice it only has 120 Hz refresh rate. Now is this 120 Hz@1080p or @4k? I was under the assumption it was the former which would mean this display only would get 30 FPS@4K is that right?

    I am also looking at the JU7500 which has '240' Hz for $2300. I am trying to justify the cost of weather I even need a higher refresh rate for an extra $700. I will not be doing any gaming on it just watching TV.

    Does anyone have a 6000 series that now regrets getting a 7000 series or is it just a rip off. I like the fact that the curved displays for the 6000 series is $100 less than the flat panels.

    Opinions?
     
  2. gsilver

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    When they advertise refresh rates on TV, it's almost always in reference to some motion smoothing/interpolation tech built in, rather than actually supporting inputs at higher refresh rates.

    Between the 6000 series and 7000 series, you can still expect an overall image quality improvement.

    You should probably do some price searching before pulling the trigger anywhere. If your budget is $1600, a quick Google search shows the 9000 series for well under that:
    https://www.google.com/shopping/product/10030550050021791979

    ...And the 9000 series will beat the pants off of a 6000/7000 series panel.


    Personally, I own an old 8000 series Samsung TV from 2010. It's been a good TV and the colors are still really nice.
    ...Though the recent OLED tvs are mighty tempting, if way beyond my budget.
     
  3. Nightingale007

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    Just FYI if you want 120Hz native refresh from Samsung only models JU7100 and up have it. None of the 4K's can refresh higher than 120Hz. Keep in mind the the 120Hz panels take a 60Hz signal only from HDMI 2.0 and then double it to 120Hz internally. However at 1080p the Sony and Vizio you can output 120Hz from the PC. Samsung does not allow this.
     
  4. PC Surgeon

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    Are you stuck on 65" as the size? If you're willing to trade size for quality there are some really great TV's to be had. The UN55JS8500 will be on sale for $1500 at Best Buy on black friday and you can obtain an LG OLED "55 right now for $1400. There's also the HH Gregg sale for the UN55JU7500 for $1298. One of the highest rated Samsung's (UN48JS9000) can be had for $1600. Of course if size means more to you then you can certainly find it out there but I doubt they'll hold up to the quality of the above mentioned screens at that price point.

    Edit: I heard there may be a Samsung induced price drop come November 22nd for the JU7500's which would explain the price of the 55" above. Take that with a grain of salt but it couldn't hurt to wait until then to find out. (If you are dead set on the 65" that would make sense).
     
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  5. Nightingale007

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    Avoid the Samsung for long term PC usage. They are not ideal monitors cause of PWM. Rtings fails to realize in there evaluation that the faster pixel response time of the samsung SUHD TV's is only valid if set to 100% brightness.

    Personally I'm picking either the Sony XBR-x850c(3800:1 CR) or XBR-x810c(5000:1 CR) since both us DC dimming and include strobing in game mode(if that's your thing, not mine personally) and exhibits no artifacts with regard to motion clarity when there brightness is reduced, unlike the Samsung. Not to mention the picture on the Sony's are excellent.
     
  6. PC Surgeon

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    Would you agree this is dependent on the user? I'm using an old monitor with the above 'bad' PWM and haven't noticed.

    EDIT: I actually like the X810C as its a very nice TV for it's price point with some benefits the Samsung's don't provide (120Hz@1080P)
     
  7. Nightingale007

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    With PWM you have TWO problems introduced. The fist of course is the flicker which get's worse the lower you turn down the brightness. Second PWM introduces motion artifacts, take a look below.

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    You mentioned you had an old monitor, was it by any chance using a CCFL backlight? Cause PWM monitors with those backlights were not as noticeable or an invasive as LED backlighting, In essence they were more softer if that makes any sense.
     
  8. Tyler-Durden

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    I use a Samsung JU7500 40" for my PC monitor. Absolutely love it for daily use and gaming. I don't notice PWM at all. Not saying it doesn't exist. Just that I'm not sensitive to it. I'm in front of my Sammy 6-8 hours just about every day.

    I really wanted a JS9000, but the smallest is 48". That's just too big for my tastes as a PC monitor. I might relent, though, if any OLED 4K TVs are available for decent prices during the holiday season.
     
  9. Nightingale007

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    To each his own, don't get me wrong if you love your sammy and it does not cause you eye fatigue with long term usage all the power to you. However it does not negate the fact that PWM causes motion artifacts which takes away from the benefit of the recorded fast pixel response time on the Samsung. I would much rather deal with Sony's true and artifact free 12 ms than Sammy's flawed 9ms.

    This also brings up another point. Why are Samsung's SUHD TV's so overpriced compared to SONY. JU7100 @40" is $1,098 the same price as Sony's 55" XBR-x810C which has better contrast and picture and incorporates DC dimming. It then it just get's worse dollar per value the further you move up.
     
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  10. Booyaah

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    Yeah I had just started looking, didn't expect some online stores to be that low.

    Is that 9000 model you linked a 2014 model or something? Like have they been sitting in a warehouse unopened for a year? Cause $1400 seems really low for a 9000...the UN65JS9500 looks to be around $3000. Something seems fishy because that seems too good to be true.
     
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  11. Booyaah

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    still wondering about my question above ^^

    thx
     
  12. aadik

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    Yes its old model. 2015 models are JU, but that in link model name is HU.
     
  13. Climber

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    Read the post. He isn't doing any gaming, just watching TV. Besides PWM is so overblown it is ridiculous. Just read the Samsung thread and how many of them are overly satisfied with gaming on it.
     
  14. RaZoRbLaDeD

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    I just returned a Ju7500. If you get that tv be prepared to return and exchange for a different model due to terrible banding / backlight uniformity / bleed / clouding / flashlighting. It was unbearable and after 2 exchanges I got my money back and then ordered an LG Oled. As someone used to plasma you might want to consider the same as the lighting issues of led might be a pain for you, espcially at larger sizes.

    Btw, it's 120hz...don't pay attention to the "240hz motion" or whatever fancy name they give it...it's 120hz. I also noticed a fair share of motion blur and artifacting as well as these hideous black vertical lines more notable when the camera was panning on ligher scenes. All in all, if you care about picture quality for movies and TV then I would have to advise going the route of OLED as it blows lcd out of the fucking water hands DOWN. There is little to no quality control when it comes to backlight issues during manufacturing so you're playing the panel lottery with led...it's unacceptable to get a shItty dud when you're forking out thousands and have to stare at it for the next few years. OLED is more expensive but consider how often you'll use it and for how long. You get what you pay for.
     
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  15. Climber

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    The LG OLEDs are plagued with their own issues. I took the 9100 series back due to horrible yellow tinting on off angle viewing. The JS8500 is similar enough for straight on viewing but has 100% better off angle viewing. I believe the new 9300 series fixed that issue but LG has a few different models and some of their older OLED tech was pretty bug ridden.
     
  16. RaZoRbLaDeD

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    The thing you're referring to is the yellow banding / vignetting sensation which unfortunately plagued earlier oled tvs. No new tech is with its flaws. All fixed now from what I have seen, not a problem anymore....if you purchase one just make sure the build is ""510" or better (that way you know you're getting the latest build)

    Honestly? Even if it were still around I would take that over the washed out disgusting almost nonexistent viewing angle of lcd anyday anyway...good thing I don't have to make that decision either way. As I said, it's fixed.
     
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  17. Climber

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    Yea I know it is fixed. The new 4k oled are just beautiful but the wife was set on the budget and wouldn't move. Honestly, imo, the js8500 has excellent viewing angles for an led. The picture still looks vibrant at about 40° which is what I wanted. I'd still prefer the oled though.
     
  18. Cyph

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    Talk about hyperbole. I get it, you love your OLED. It's better than LCD. However, non-existing viewing angle? Gimme a break.