PSA: Windows 7 support ends tomorrow, Jan 14, 2020

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defaultluser

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I still like Windows 7 better then 10 but I think most have switched at this point that are going to switch.
My work computer still fails to install Windows 10 every night, as it has done for the last 9 months. It fails at the same point every time.

It's a Skylake system, so it must be something my company is doing special in their automated upgrades that's breaking things. I expect eventually someone will ask to remote in and remedy this, but they will probably pay for extended coverage until then. :D

Most of our systems have been upgraded, but they always miss deadlines like these.

My home systems were all upgraded back in 2015.
 
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With this Windows 7 is good for another two weeks to a month after which the time passed since it was last patched becomes a real security problem.

People need to discontinue using it for any device connected to the internet ASAP, but of course stubborn twats won't.
 

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meh.

all fucking day.


With this Windows 7 is good for another two weeks to a month after which the time passed since it was last patched becomes a real security problem.

People need to discontinue using it for any device connected to the internet ASAP, but of course stubborn twats won't.
hope you're not using any intel computers.

you've already be pwned at the hardware level windows 10 won't save you.
 

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Just spent last weekend updating all our computers to Windows 10. Sure I know they wont be instantly broken, but I do like to keep the office up on security updates so no longer having them would have been a problem.
 

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If you have your Window 7 install updated you've already had telemetry for about 5 years.
Only if you went down Microsoft's Rollup Patch plan. If you manually installed patches, you could skip the spyware.

As a Win 7 user, not too worried about this. A large percent of the security patches in the last several years are for IE, not the base OS. Using a non MS browser largely skips a lot of the issues. Many of the more recent OMG Its Bad! issues have been variations on RDP vulnerabilities. Block all RDP at the edge device and pretty much ignore that set of problems.

One advantage of an older stable OS is the feature set has long been static and most of the bad problems are fixed. Every new release of Win 10 brings new often poorly tested 'features' with the possibilities of exploits. Plus with Microsoft experimenting with force feeding ads, how long before one of those ads goes rogue and corrupts stuff?

No matter what you choose to do OS wise, still have to stay on top of the security issues with Application software like the recent Firefox script bug.
 

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I'm taking my emulator machine down to Windows 7. I've had Windows 10 on it for a couple years, but it's just been a pain for so many little things. With Windows 7, it was a set it up and leave it. Ran with no real OS intervention (startup directly to Hyperspin). It's not connected to the internet at all, so I'm fine with no security updates.

Win10 was fine, but it just had some quirky things that I had to change, and they'd revert back eventually (Game Bar, notification, audio has issues, etc.). Win7 was just .... well, you never knew it was there unless you needed to configure something or change something (not being forced to, but just for fun - images, ROM's, whatever).

I think Windows 7 was the superior OS for a lot of things, especially when offline. Even considering LTSB of Windows 10. I wish Microsoft would release some kind of lean Win10 that was more Win7 than 10. Nothing that depends on a network connection as part of the OS itself.
 

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I had a compact Win 7 laptop that was still usable but the W10 installer said go blow. Funny because I also had a sub $100 tablet/laptop that was not as good in any way that came with W10.
 

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Just upgraded my old boss's pc he got in 2012 to an ssd on Saturday. It's still running windows 7, and it will continue to do so until that pc, or he, dies. He still doesn't fully understand that his documents aren't 'saved in word', no matter how many times I show and explain it to him.
 

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There's a lot of choices. Some objectively better than others due to security, but I think Windows 10 is the best thing to happen to other operating systems. Since they are now viable options for others, they have improved quite a bit.

Windows 10 - I don't mind Windows 10 at all. Its fine for me.
Windows 8.1 - I don't mind it either, but would rather just be on 10 if I had the choice.
Windows 7 - My all time favorite OS. Sad its leaving but I understand. If they offered modern hardware support on 7 as a pay-per-year model for consumers, I'd probably go with it.
Windows Vista - I didn't mind it at the time but don't have any reason to use it now. Plus at this point there security concerns from it lacking patches.
Windows XP - I love it as much as the next person but its a honeypot for trouble. I wouldn't install it due to security issues.

Linux - Pick your flavor, they have all improved greatly over the last 5 years. If you aren't a gamer or use Photoshop, you should be able to use Linux with confidence. Even then theres a huge selection of games that DO work, and there might be alternatives for whatever software you use. Worth a shot.

OSX - I'll still stand by saying that my 2014 macbook pro was the best laptop I've ever owned. I loved it when I had it. I don't mind Apple's ecosystem but it would never be my main OS since its objectively worse for gaming.

Alternative OS's - Chrome OS is great for people who need basic to semi basic computer needs, android is much the same. React OS exists.. kind of.. but is not really making any kind of traction and hasn't for about 10 years now.


Either way, my point is.. you have choices and thats good.
 

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Bloody hell, I'm about to be "one of those XP people". I still chuckle at people that swear 7 will explode when support ends, reminds me of religious people telling me I'm going to hell. Do people think anyone still on 7 runs directly connected to the wall/open networks?

Been running an experiment on one machine for the past 2 years (well almost 2 years now), without a single OS update after initial install+update. It runs updated and locked down browser(s), free security software, and various games, but I randomly download/play f2p games (not obvious scamware though) and sail the high seas on it too. I obviously don't throw sensitive data at it (primary accounts or primary financial data), but it does get fed a low-limit credit card and throw-away accounts that I keep tabs on. It gets a comprehensive scan once every few months and hasn't exploded yet, lol.

I guess I like to live dangerously? :ROFLMAO:
 

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meh.

all fucking day.

hope you're not using any Intel computers.

you've already be pwned at the hardware level windows 10 won't save you.
No, I don't use Intel hardware right now.

But, the Intel hardware bugs are mostly patched in software, and really require something to already have access to your machine. Nasty if you run VM's for customers for a living, but for most of us adds no notable risk.

Having an unpatched OS on the other hand is leaving the door wide open.
 

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Microsoft will continue to supply security updates for Windows 7 until 2023 to companies who pay for them on a per-device basis. But, as was the case with Windows XP's extended security updates until 2019, the ongoing security updates for Windows 7 until 2023 can be enabled on any PC:

Bypass discovered to allow Windows 7 Extended Security Updates on all systems

Personally, I ran Windows 7 without any new updates since around July 2015, and I never encountered an issue from it.
That makes things less bad.

But if they are going to do this, why even bother announcing this whole EOL thing?
 

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Seems like most businesses are either in dump windows 7 workstations at all costs mode or turn a blind eye towards the situation. I just left a customer location today and their POS machines were all on Windows 7. Their "file server" is also Windows 7. Other customers have been frantically switching over from Windows 7.
 

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I mean is linux really so scary that even windows xp seems like the right choice? :p
Most offices cant just switch to linux. LibreOffice just isnt quite the same as MS Office, the majority of the time people need Active Directory and possibly Exchange, and other special software that commercial and industrial stuff uses usually has nothing but a windows version.
 

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99% of computers at my work are still on 7, this will be fun.
We just have some vertical lab type equipment which came with Win7 and can't be upgraded, along with a grand total of (1) user who has been avoiding IT for the last three years or so.

I think in many smaller environments people just aren't going to care as much as they maybe should. The typical optometrist at a Lens Crafters or whatever with a couple of computers for doing image viewing or billing, nobody is going to magically show up and upgrade them. They are where they are, and they may be fine for years, or not. The eye doctor is unlikely to know or care. My Lens Crafters, their Win7 isn't even activated, and it hasn't been for years. The watermark is there, life goes on because they likely genuinely do not know what it means, nor do they care. They know about as much about computers as I know about optometry.
 

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An operating system should act as a platform so you, the user, can do what he or she wants. But with Windows 10 you are forced to have telemetry (it's OS integrated spyware, but since they told you about it you can't call it spyware anymore because it needs to be without your knowledge). I don't like how the ability to use the system the way I want is being taken away from me. No choice. If people like telemetry in their OS, Microsoft should provide it as an executable people can download and install on their system.
 

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An operating system should act as a platform so you, the user, can do what he or she wants. But with Windows 10 you are forced to have telemetry (it's OS integrated spyware, but since they told you about it you can't call it spyware anymore because it needs to be without your knowledge). I don't like how the ability to use the system the way I want is being taken away from me. No choice. If people like telemetry in their OS, Microsoft should provide it as an executable people can download and install on their system.
Telemetry is in Windows 7 as well. They added it about the same time Windows 10 launched in various updates.

Just about every program you have installed collects telemetry these days. I don't like it either, but it has become the norm.
 

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I still like Windows 7 better then 10 but I think most have switched at this point that are going to switch.
Except every single business & government agency. Also there's still 3 years of extended support if you pay the yearly fee or use azure vm's

I have no doubt someone will find a way to slipstream the updates through shadier means, but yea "end of life"
 

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Except every single business & government agency. Also there's still 3 years of extended support if you pay the yearly fee or use azure vm's

I have no doubt someone will find a way to slipstream the updates through shadier means, but yea "end of life"
All our computers at the city where I work are Windows 10 already and have been for 2 years at least by now.
 

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All our computers at the city where I work are Windows 10 already and have been for 2 years at least by now.
Well your company is either small or in the minority to get 100% of computers off win 7 and servers off 2008 r2. Perhaps you don't have a single legacy application, lucky
 

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Just retired the last Windows 7, and last 32-bit, workstation at work last Friday.
It certainly is the end of an era...
 
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