Project 10436 - uniprocessor A4 with Quick Return Bonus

yes it means that running the uniprocessor WU's on semi decent computers are worth it now instead of just leaving the WU's to run on old pentium 2 and athlon xp processors. but the kfactor is only .69 at 311 points base value. so its not like your getting a ton of bonus points for it. maybe 500 points instead of 311 points per WU.
 
Does this mean anything? Could we run 4 of these on a Q6600? Would it compare with running SMP?
Means the world to fast uniprocessor and dual core clients who can't quite make the deadlines on SMP units. However running four of them on a Q6600 will not out produce a single SMP WU. From a design/point fairness perspective, you don't want four of them producing better than a single SMP instance in the first place.
 
Do you need advmethods turned on to get these?
 
Means the world to fast uniprocessor and dual core clients who can't quite make the deadlines on SMP units. However running four of them on a Q6600 will not out produce a single SMP WU. From a design/point fairness perspective, you don't want four of them producing better than a single SMP instance in the first place.

That would depend on the WU, I am currently running a 10114 on my x6, get this FRAME TIME 24:30, PPD 5730:eek::mad:, thats on 6 cores at 3.5Ghz running 24/7. an older quad or dual core would be better with uni if they can get these new WU
 
an older quad or dual core would be better with uni if they can get these new WU
Slow Dual Cores and slow AMD Quads sure (probably), but even a stock clocked Q6600 will do better by sticking with normal SMP WUs. I haven't seen these new 10114's yet (you referred to) but my X3220's (same as a Q6600) at 2.4 GHz were getting 4800 PPD on 6701's (Linux) before I shut my farm down. There is no way a Uni project with QRB will ever generate 1200 points/unit on the same hardware to justify running four of them.
 
However running four of them on a Q6600 will not out produce a single SMP WU. From a design/point fairness perspective, you don't want four of them producing better than a single SMP instance in the first place.

Slow Dual Cores and slow AMD Quads sure (probably), but even a stock clocked Q6600 will do better by sticking with normal SMP WUs. I haven't seen these new 10114's yet (you referred to) but my X3220's (same as a Q6600) at 2.4 GHz were getting 4800 PPD on 6701's (Linux) before I shut my farm down. There is no way a Uni project with QRB will ever generate 1200 points/unit on the same hardware to justify running four of them.
Well, I have a dual Opteron 280 (4 cores) @2.8GHz with two GPU clients, and it was doing about 21-25min TPF on a P670x. This machine has been processing a P10113 for the last 24 hours and has completed 29% as of this writing. TPF with this machine doing nothing else except running the GPU clients is a bit over 45 minutes. When I'm on the machine doing my usual stuff the TPF shoots to nearly an hour. I've seen PPD as low as 1300.

Another consideration is that these WUs do not seem as stable. I had one crash which I recovered from but this machine never gets any SMP crashes, and I was very surprised when I saw that, especially in winter. :confused:

I'm on the fence as to whether or not I should drop SMP altogether on this machine and convert to 4 uniprocessor clients if the bonus is being granted (long time in coming). The flip side is how often will these new WUs be sent to clients? If it's anything under 100% of the time, it certainly won't be worth switching over, and of course there's the ever pressing production question. If I cannot see a consistent minimum of 1700-1800 PPD with the bonus accredited uniprocessor WUs then it is probably advisable to stick with SMP, because that is what I have been getting until these new A3 WUs were unleashed upon us.
 
Well, I have a dual Opteron 280 (4 cores) @2.8GHz with two GPU clients, and it was doing about 21-25min TPF on a P670x. This machine has been processing a P10113 for the last 24 hours and has completed 29% as of this writing. TPF with this machine doing nothing else except running the GPU clients is a bit over 45 minutes. When I'm on the machine doing my usual stuff the TPF shoots to nearly an hour. I've seen PPD as low as 1300.

Another consideration is that these WUs do not seem as stable. I had one crash which I recovered from but this machine never gets any SMP crashes, and I was very surprised when I saw that, especially in winter. :confused:

10113 is an SMP WU so I am confused as to what you are saying here. Are you saying 10113 is unstable or the new 10436 uni WU?
 
10113 is an SMP WU so I am confused as to what you are saying here. Are you saying 10113 is unstable or the new 10436 uni WU?
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I reread my post before I saw your reply and I realize I made it hastily and wasn't completely clear.

I haven't worked on the new uniprocessor WUs yet. The P10113 SMP WU encountered one crash, takes a horribly long time to complete, and is practically worthless on my system. If this is the sign of things to come, it just might be worthwhile to make the switch over to the bonus uniprocessor WUs if they amount to similar production values as these new slow SMP WUs. That depends on whether or not the older SMP WUs that have proven very reliable and high in production will be discontinued or not.
 
10436 has now been released from -advmethods to all clients. 10437, closely related to 10436, has now been released to -advmethods.
 
Interesting....I have 2 machines that got assigned a 10437. I didn't make any configuration changes and they've always been running SMP until today.

The interesting part is that the PPD is pretty much inline for when SMP is running....at least according to the HFM.net estimates. It's a Q9650 system running at stock speeds.

edit: Make that 3 machines now that are running this WU.
 
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curious. This is good news for laptop owners. I was just thinking about shutting down SMP on my laptop anyway. I think I'll go with uniprocessor on it again.
 
I'm wondering now if there's a cutoff where the uniprocessor unit won't be assigned. I have a dual E5506 that's running SMP that will finish in about an hour. I'm wondering if it will/can get assigned one of these.
 
I'm wondering now if there's a cutoff where the uniprocessor unit won't be assigned. I have a dual E5506 that's running SMP that will finish in about an hour. I'm wondering if it will/can get assigned one of these.
Considering how many uniprocessor projects are out there, you'd be taking a pretty big gamble trying to get a 10436 or 10437. If you have an SMP rig that can make SMP deadlines, there is no reason to run multiple uniprocessor units.
 
Actually I'm not choosing it....the SMP client picked it up itself. I just noticed it this morning that I was assigned them.

No client config change or anything....my configs still have the -smp flag in them.

Know of any reason why the smp flag would be ignored? It's one of the machines that I've had up the longest. What I thought was interesting in the log is that it says the core will attempt to use 4 threads.

Code:
[19:29:14] Completed 500000 out of 500000 steps  (100%)
[19:29:15] DynamicWrapper: Finished Work Unit: sleep=10000
[19:29:25] 
[19:29:25] Finished Work Unit:
[19:29:25] - Reading up to 3698352 from "work/wudata_08.trr": Read 3698352
[19:29:25] trr file hash check passed.
[19:29:25] edr file hash check passed.
[19:29:25] logfile size: 56954
[19:29:25] Leaving Run
[19:29:26] - Writing 3791266 bytes of core data to disk...
[19:29:26]   ... Done.
[19:29:28] - Shutting down core
[19:29:28] 
[19:29:28] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[19:29:32] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[19:29:32] Unit 8 finished with 94 percent of time to deadline remaining.
[19:29:32] Updated performance fraction: 0.932935
[19:29:32] Sending work to server
[19:29:32] Project: 6070 (Run 0, Clone 129, Gen 205)


[19:29:32] + Attempting to send results [March 15 19:29:32 UTC]
[19:29:32] - Reading file work/wuresults_08.dat from core
[19:29:32]   (Read 3791266 bytes from disk)
[19:29:32] Connecting to http://171.64.65.54:8080/
[19:29:46] Posted data.
[19:29:46] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~246 kB/s
[19:29:47] - Averaged speed for that direction ~247 kB/s
[19:29:47] + Results successfully sent
[19:29:47] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.
[19:29:47] + Number of Units Completed: 622

[19:29:51] Trying to send all finished work units
[19:29:51] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[19:29:51] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[19:29:51] Cleaning up work directory
[19:29:51] + Attempting to get work packet
[19:29:51] Passkey found
[19:29:51] - Will indicate memory of 3995 MB
[19:29:51] - Connecting to assignment server
[19:29:51] Connecting to http://assign.stanford.edu:8080/
[19:29:52] Posted data.
[19:29:52] Initial: 40AB; - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.81).
[19:29:52] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[19:29:52] Loaded queue successfully.
[19:29:52] Sent data
[19:29:52] Connecting to http://171.64.65.81:8080/
[19:29:52] Posted data.
[19:29:52] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 206471)
[19:29:53] - Downloaded at ~201 kB/s
[19:29:53] - Averaged speed for that direction ~248 kB/s
[19:29:53] + Received work.
[19:29:53] Trying to send all finished work units
[19:29:53] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[19:29:53] + Closed connections
[19:29:53] 
[19:29:53] + Processing work unit
[19:29:53] A4 will attempt to use 4 threads.
[19:29:53] Core required: FahCore_a4.exe
[19:29:53] Core not found.
[19:29:53] - Core is not present or corrupted.
[19:29:53] - Attempting to download new core...
[19:29:53] + Downloading new core: FahCore_a4.exe
[19:29:53] Downloading core (/~pande/Win32/x86/Core_a4.fah from www.stanford.edu)
[19:29:53] Initial: AFDE; + 10240 bytes downloaded

[19:30:05] Initial: EBF8; + 3028899 bytes downloaded
[19:30:05] Verifying core Core_a4.fah...
[19:30:05] Signature is VALID
[19:30:05] 
[19:30:05] Trying to unzip core FahCore_a4.exe
[19:30:07] Decompressed FahCore_a4.exe (10057216 bytes) successfully
[19:30:12] + Core successfully engaged
[19:30:17] 
[19:30:17] + Processing work unit
[19:30:17] A4 will attempt to use 4 threads.
[19:30:17] Core required: FahCore_a4.exe
[19:30:17] Core found.
[19:30:17] Working on queue slot 09 [March 15 19:30:17 UTC]
[19:30:17] + Working ...
[19:30:17] - Calling '.\FahCore_a4.exe -dir work/ -nice 19 -suffix 09 -np 4 -checkpoint 15 -service -verbose -lifeline 2928 -version 634'

[19:30:17] 
[19:30:17] *------------------------------*
[19:30:17] Folding@Home Gromacs GB Core
[19:30:17] Version 2.27 (Dec. 15, 2010)
[19:30:17] 
[19:30:17] Preparing to commence simulation
[19:30:17] - Looking at optimizations...
[19:30:17] - Created dyn
[19:30:17] - Files status OK
[19:30:17] - Expanded 205959 -> 421644 (decompressed 204.7 percent)
[19:30:17] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=205959 data_size=421644, decompressed_data_size=421644 diff=0
[19:30:17] - Digital signature verified
[19:30:17] 
[19:30:17] Project: 10437 (Run 1959, Clone 0, Gen 0)
[19:30:17]
 
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Know of any reason why the smp flag would be ignored? It's one of the machines that I've had up the longest. What I thought was interesting in the log is that it says the core will attempt to use 4 threads.

Code:
[19:30:17] - Calling '.\FahCore_a4.exe -dir work/ -nice 19 -suffix 09 -np 4 -checkpoint 15 -service -verbose -lifeline 2928 -version 634'
Yeah, because the A4 core is now a universal core that can run on as many threads as you tell it. As you see in the line above, it is spawning 4 threads and should be using all of your CPU.

Edit: In beta testing, it was mentioned that multi-threaded capability might be turned on on these projects.. this is likely what has happened with 10437.. I will try to verify.
 
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Thanks Tobit.

Also can you ask why I'm actually getting them? All the 622 units that this machine has completed were all SMP up until this point.

If they made the quick return bonus equal to SMP for the uniprocessor WU's, it won't matter to me what the machine(s) work on.

edit: Here's something interesting....I got another one of these on a dual e5506 machine. It was running smp 6, but I changed it to smp 8 to see how much a difference it would make. It actually got worse. It went from ~3:15 to ~5:33. Changing back to smp 6 brought the frames time back down.
 
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My question to the developer, with his reply, appears below.

Tobit said:
I assume you have enabled multi-threading on 10437 because I have some teammates getting these on 6.34 clients configured with -smp?"
Yes, by accident. I disabled this now.

I expect about 400 users have received these WU on SMP mode. I will add a note to the public project announcement explaining what's going on.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
My question to the developer, with his reply, appears below.


Yes, by accident. I disabled this now.

I expect about 400 users have received these WU on SMP mode. I will add a note to the public project announcement explaining what's going on.

Sorry for the confusion.

Sorry to necro this thread, but I've got 3 SMP machines that have now received WUs based on the A4 core. 2 Dual cores, and a Quad.
 
Sorry to necro this thread, but I've got 3 SMP machines that have now received WUs based on the A4 core. 2 Dual cores, and a Quad.
Probably p10437 which is a multi-threaded A4 project released about a month ago.
 
Was a P7xxx. Really dropped my ppd on the machines, the quad went from about 8k to 3.5k.
 
Was a P7xxx. Really dropped my ppd on the machines, the quad went from about 8k to 3.5k.
Sounds like a p7200 which, I thought, was still in beta. Haven't seen an official announcement yet stating it had been moved to public or advmethods. I just asked the developer about this.

PPD wise, I am surprised you are taking that big of a hit. :(
 
My Q9550 machine had a P7200. PPD was about 6300 compared to 8-10k with SMP units.
 
Sounds like a p7200 which, I thought, was still in beta. Haven't seen an official announcement yet stating it had been moved to public or advmethods. I just asked the developer about this.

PPD wise, I am surprised you are taking that big of a hit. :(

According to HFM.net
Q9400
p7200, Averages 4,347.9ppd.
69xx, Averages 6.5-8kppd

Still, a fairly decent hit.
 
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