Problems with SP2 - Article

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=75&e=1&u=/nf/26344

Tisk, tisk tisk. Maybe this can help some of you folks with problems.

Looks like Microsoft really messed up this time with informing users one whats going to happen. A lot of programs are now acting differently and it is concerning users and making them think that there is a problem. All that the users really have to do is unblock ports in the firewall. Who knows. :rolleyes:

For you peeps who are to lazy to read the link:

The Link up there ^ said:
Home users that have their preferences set to receive operating-system updates as they are made available by Microsoft may be surprised to learn that some of the software they already run on their systems could be disabled by SP2 or may run very differently
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Article From Yahoo said:
Yahoo's (Nasdaq: YHOO - news) instant-messenger tool appears on the list of applications with potential SP2 conflicts. So does ICQ. The corporate editions of several popular security products appear on the list. Ubiquitous plug-in and helper applications used with Web browsers are involved, such as Real Networks' Real Player.
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Yahoo Article said:
Many of the programs on Microsoft's list of problems will affect enterprise users for the most part. However, a big group of computer games, including a range of those made by Atari, are affected. In addition, the update can interfere with the operation of several popular antivirus programs -- including those made by McAfee and Symantec
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THeres more. But all I can say is Eeek! :eek:
 
That article is misleading. It isn't that all the programs listed no longer work, but that things need to be readjusted for them to be able to work in the increased security environment. So, just like with all service packs, there is going to be an adjustment period. That's all.
 
GreNME said:
That article is misleading. It isn't that all the programs listed no longer work, but that things need to be readjusted for them to be able to work in the increased security environment. So, just like with all service packs, there is going to be an adjustment period. That's all.
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UNfourtunaly most n00bs dont know how to adjust the programs to make them work properly. :(
 
A bit of perspective here and a bit of a tie-in with the other thread on myths. MS has to make assumptions when it rolls out service packs, hotfixes, etc. Those assumptions are normally "People have not messed with their systems in ways that aren't supported", "Developers have done their jobs and coded applications using best practices and have a proper understanding of the Windows architecture."(it is their job), and "Companies have been doing what they are supposed to be doing and beta testing SP2 with their programs so that when it launchs they will have patches, updates, configuration changes documented for the users of their applications ready to go.", etc. So its not really generally MS breaking more stuff, its MS doing what they need to do for their OS and hopefully people are riding along properly. Like the age old "Windows isn't stable" debate. Ever see safe mode crash (when Windows hasn't already been pooched by something)? THAT is windows when you strip out the third party drivers and crap running from third party programs that have been installed. I would venture to say that the majority of programs that "break" when SP2 gets installed didn't do their job and beta test it beforehand. I love the people that say they won't move to Windows till after the first service pack because they don't want it to go live on their network and break their software. News flash, you were supposed to be beta testing it on your network so that when it does go live you already know what needs to be done and you can move immediately to it. I love hearing these huge companies immediately moving to the latest OS when it launches and having flawless transitions because they took advantage of the beta program properly.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
UNfourtunaly most n00bs dont know how to adjust the programs to make them work properly. :(
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The listed programs themselves don't need to be adjusted, most of the issues are becuase of the XP firewall being turned on and blocking incoming connections.

Users would have the same issues if they installed Zonealarm or any other software firewall.
 
Well, since SP2 installed, some crackling sounds has been going through my speakers as I receive/send IM messages via AIM. It's weird. Even some websites do this, depending on their IE compatability. So that's another one-- sound problem(s).

-J.
 
think i'll pass on SP2, i have a firewall, i run antivirus, and i run windows update every other day.
nothing to benifit me. lots to break.
 
GeForceX said:
Well, since SP2 installed, some crackling sounds has been going through my speakers as I receive/send IM messages via AIM. It's weird. Even some websites do this, depending on their IE compatability. So that's another one-- sound problem(s).

-J.
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I get those too. My speakers are hooked up through speaker wire, not regular headphone plugin jacks since I have surround sound, so I thought it was that one of the wires were messed up, guess not.
 
omega-x said:
think i'll pass on SP2, i have a firewall, i run antivirus, and i run windows update every other day.
nothing to benifit me. lots to break.
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It's got a lot more benefits than the security center. You're only hurting yourself by not upgrading, as you're putting yourself at risk from future holes in XP by not being patched completely up to date.
 
I think logic would tell you, that at a 266MB download, you get a lot more than a firewall, auto updates and anti-virus checks.
 
GreNME said:
Which is why Microsoft has this wonderful thing called the Microsoft Knowledge Base.

Details are in there to help fix the issues.
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Not to sould rude but what about some lady who purchased a box for her kids. Do you think she' even knows Microsoft has a knowlege base?
If Microsoft is gonna release service packs, they should at least work with todays programs.
 
Arkan said:
Not to sould rude but what about some lady who purchased a box for her kids. Do you think she' even knows Microsoft has a knowlege base?
If Microsoft is gonna release service packs, they should at least work with todays programs.
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In most cases I'd agree, however, MS needs to change some things. What about that poor lady who purchased XP, and has broadband? Doesn't she need firewall protection from things like the blaster worm?

The fact that you can plug in a new XP install to an open broadband connection (most people who have broadband do not have a router/firewall) and get a worm within minutes (in some cases) is far worse.

This is a one time change to the way things work, it's not like every service pack acts this way. It's also been advertised, for quite some time, that there will be program incompatibilites, for anyone interested in looking (should that same 'lady' decide to look).
 
You guys need to quit whining. Microsoft said SP2 will break a lot of insecure apps, because they changed how Windows handles some of the security settings. Also of course the firewall is going to block a bunch of programs. There is no excuse to not know how a firewall works anymore. If you're going to sit your ass on your computer and go online, download porn, sit in chatrooms etc, you need to know how to protect yourself from viruses, and more importantly, protected everyone else from your infected box spewing the shit back out. I'm sick of these complete idiots propagating all those viruses, worms, trojans etc because they say "I'm computer illiterate *he he*". It's damn time the general public learns some common sense. And if they can't learn it themselves, then Microsoft will have to do it for them and force a firewall on their machine.
/rant

And if you're scared about your programs not working, wait until mid September when every single third-party software provider has patches out.

Geeze.
 
Omega, if you pass on SP2 then you pass on lots of important security fixes, current and future. It's not like you can't turn the firewall off. And Arkon, read my post above. I still stand by most things that break or need adjustments are not MS responsibility. Their responsibility is for their OS to work properly for the times. Its the manufacturers responsibility to make sure their applications work for the current versions (including service packs) of Windows. I had a lady buy a brand new computer from my retail store, take it home, and not be able to use this school software (some type of class over the Internet stuff). It boggled my mind because I know my machines are flawless when they leave the showroom floor and the software claimed XP support. My first thought was there is something wrong with either their software or they weren't getting something right with her network settings. After lots of troubleshooting "I" figured out that a windows critical update prevents their software from working properly (I sell my machines with all Windows updates installed), and we had to roll back some updates until the company fixed their issues. Point is, that company should have been aware of that if they kept their own systems updated. I had to do their homework for them. Didn't get a check in the mail from them either for my free support to them... :rolleyes:
 
OldPueblo said:
Omega, if you pass on SP2 then you pass on lots of important security fixes, current and future. It's not like you can't turn the firewall off. And Arkon, read my post above. I still stand by most things that break or need adjustments are not MS responsibility. Their responsibility is for their OS to work properly for the times. Its the manufacturers responsibility to make sure their applications work for the current versions (including service packs) of Windows. I had a lady buy a brand new computer from my retail store, take it home, and not be able to use this school software (some type of class over the Internet stuff). It boggled my mind because I know my machines are flawless when they leave the showroom floor and the software claimed XP support. My first thought was there is something wrong with either their software or they weren't getting something right with her network settings. After lots of troubleshooting "I" figured out that a windows critical update prevents their software from working properly (I sell my machines with all Windows updates installed), and we had to roll back some updates until the company fixed their issues. Point is, that company should have been aware of that if they kept their own systems updated. I had to do their homework for them. Didn't get a check in the mail from them either for my free support to them... :rolleyes:
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Agreed.

Companies should of taken advantage of the fact that Microsoft had betas of SP2 out. They didn't, therefore programs don't work which make people think that it's Microsoft's problem because of the history in the past with hackers finding big holes and shit. It is really the companies who couldn't come out with patches for their software.
 
Why does this surprise anyone?

I have some energy management software that will only run on NT4, much less XP or XP SP2.

You think the company that produces that software cares? HA!

You think I can just replace that software with another vendors? HA!
 
Phoenix86 said:
Why does this surprise anyone?

I have some energy management software that will only run on NT4, much less XP or XP SP2.

You think the company that produces that software cares? HA!

You think I can just replace that software with another vendors? HA!
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Wy doesn't it work on XP? Usually programs that run fine on NT 4 have no problem with XP? What does it do dumb, I might be able to help you to get it to run on XP.
 
It's really not something I care to look at/have anyone think about.

Heh, it's building energy management software, there is a serial port interface that controlls the building's heaters, chillers, fans, etc.

It may run under XP just fine, but whatever the vendors want, they get. It's one of those things my IT dept. doesn't directly support (we do the OS and hardware, vendor does software).

The thing is, none of these machines are on the network... So I don't really care what their OS is, as long as they don't fail. Well, that's right up NTs alley, so its not that bad.

The point is, there are a TON of vendors who simply don't keep up with things. Heck the medical industry is facing this very issue with XP SP2.
 
Ranma_Sao said:
Wy doesn't it work on XP? Usually programs that run fine on NT 4 have no problem with XP? What does it do dumb, I might be able to help you to get it to run on XP.
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Simple answer: although the kernels are very similar the application environments are quite different. Things like lazy coding or obfuscated routines can lead to software that will only run on one operating system, period. Hell, I used to run an app that would run on NT 4.0 service pack 4. Not service pack 3. Not service pack 5. Service pack 4 and that was it.
 
TrechMaggotface said:
Simple answer: although the kernels are very similar the application environments are quite different. Things like lazy coding or obfuscated routines can lead to software that will only run on one operating system, period. Hell, I used to run an app that would run on NT 4.0 service pack 4. Not service pack 3. Not service pack 5. Service pack 4 and that was it.
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I understand that, but there are tools to help those "dumb" apps work on other versions, shims, compatibilty mode, etc... I'm more used to Win9x applications needing it, then NT written apps however. ;)
 
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