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Discussion in '[H]ot|DEALS' started by twelveparsex, Jan 30, 2015.
Still not enough for my porn collection.
Delete your midget collection and you'll be fine
You can now also Pre-RMA your Seagate 6Tb drive so when it arrives DOA or dies 1 month later the return process is faster
That seems like a pretty damn good price.... Buy two for a 2 drive 8tb raid1. Not bad for 500.
Can't you fit two bytes of midget porn for every byte of regular (objectively-speaking) porn?
Nothing wrong with Seagate at all.
that's a lot of data to lose. even with the ability to mirror, i'd have to see some reliability data before i dropped any money on these.
Shhh!!! dont tell those weirdos in General Gaming about this pre-order. They will blow a gasket about pre-orders
Ya is there any DLC bonus to pre-order? I'd like at least 2 free firmware patches.
On a serious note these prices are insane. Not many people can justify 8TB, I mean for the general public. So 8TB for $250 is amazing.
8TB for $250, sweet deal. Now also to buy 2x backup USB 4TB hdds too lol
I honestly have no idea what the point is of pre ordering a HDD is lol.
But, dayum. That's a lot of storage! Seems like HDDs are increasing 2 TB every 6 months or so.
I could swear HP or some other company said we wouldn't be able to go past 6 TB or something like that?
Well all drives are different, I'm hoping these are better than some of their old models. I owned I think 6 of the 2TBs back in the day and did probably a total of 12 (really) RMAs on those drives over the course of a couple years, but with the consolidation of vendors it's hard to be picky anymore. I've been partial to WD Red in the past and been very lucky on those, but I'm willing to try something else this round.
What's the point of preordering? Reserving quantity and guaranteeing price. Same as preordering anything else.
Thats a lot of firmware upgrade from New Drive. I would wait until it matures and all the problems has been resolved.
But it is amazing how much the price has come down. It would be nice it we see the same faster trend on SSD sides
WARNING - this is a Shingled Magnetic Recording/SMR drive. It can't just modify or erase data like a normal drive- it's tracks overlap outer and inner tracks of data that also have to get rewritten. Thats why this is an ARCHIVE drive.
If you're just using it as data-dump, it'll work fine. But if you're trying to use it like a normal drive, you may find it inordinately painful.
Good spot these are glorified tape drives. I wonder how hard recovery would be given the track overlap.
Still...if I need a drive for cold storage/to go in the safe, this should work fine, yes?
By the looks of it the answer is yes. Still, I would be curious what its performance numbers are for conventional use and its MTBF.
Ding ding ding, congratulations! You're this thread's "That's a lot of data to lose" guy! Whenever a bigger size drive comes out, there's always one. Don't feel bad, people have been derping that ever since 20MB drives. Apparently there are still enough people that have never heard of backups. I love you all!
5,900 RPM (runs cool), 128MB cache, average read/write sequentials 150MB/sec (190MB/s at outer edge), 3-year warranty, fairly high MTBF of 800,000 hours, designed - or at least claimed - for 24/7 use.
To follow up:
Interesting, I'm curious real world perf, I bought 2 for raid 1. These are mostly going to be write once, read maybe never drives until they're full then delete old and repeat. I plan to move my existing system backup images and write them to these to free up space from my larger 10x2tb raid6 array and keep that for other more demanding storage (they have no problem doing 300MB/s sequential each way with samba and 10gbit fiber).
Always makes me laugh this. Who the fuck doesn't backup the data they don't want to lose?
I've got really good service from my Seagates 3TB's.
Most of my retard family and friends. I bought my sister an external to back up her things, but she never uses it.
because that's a valid consideration when you're using a bunch of hard drives in raid arrays, perhaps? can you grasp that? that's what these drives are for: backups. can you read the sticker on the front of them in the great big picture? i surely can. seagate has been proven to have the worst AFR of the manufacturers. i'm not keeping my backups on these. bring on the data in 12 months. meantime, i'll stick with the smaller, proven drives.. good as the price may be.
I will be buying a pair as I always do with HDDs. 1 for data, 1 with a mirror image for backup (I'm not running RAID or pooling drives)
My 2x3TB Seagate and 4x4TB Seagates still going strong.
Citation needed. (and no pressure but I do hope you link the unscientific Backblaze stats - I need a good laugh today)
As for the rest of that drivel, not sure what RAID arrays have to do with anything, these drives weren't intended for striped arrays, and RAID or not it certainly doesn't change the pointlessness of someone saying "derp that's a lot of data to lose". RAID is not a backup mechanism. Its a performance and uptime multiplier, that's it. As long as you have two or more copies of your data then that's all that matters. People can continue to circlejerk all day long about "I once had a XYZ brand and it failed, but my ZYX brand is still going strong, therefore ZYX is da best!" but won't change its statistical meaninglessness.
i've been through many, many enterprise drives from all manufacturers over the years, and my own personal data, tells me i've had to enter our DC and physically replace seagate product more frequently than others, and that's their enterprise SAS line. if you want the numbers and associated charts created, that sucks. i'm not doing that for you.
in addition to that, look at the 7200.11 firmware fiasco. that alone was enough to turn me off from consumer seagate drives. seagate even offered free data recovery services so many of those things died.
AND you also can't discount the backblaze statistics completely. they're reporting numbers, with no claims ever being made about a scientific study being conducted. do your research and come to your own conclusions, certainly, but statistics are anything but meaningless.
i'm also not going to argue with you on the various potential use cases and RAID scenarios for these drives. if you're getting a couple of these to back up your porn collection, awesome. more power to you. i hope they're reliable drives. i'm not going to use them for my purposes unless they're proven to be solid.
How would this drive par for running emulators and roms in an arcade pc build?
I would think that this would be a good drive to store all of your roms and game images. I personally would have a quick boot drive for the os, either another mechanical or maybe a small ssd.
wouldn't say that...
truth is every brand and every name and every model you will have some problems.
There hasn't been a single brand that's ever had 100% reliability -- I'd love to pick up one of these 8TB puppies.. I'll wait till they are ~200 though. I have a few seagates in my main machine that have been running for years.
Have a good in place backup solution... weather you main drive fails, or your backup does... who cares as long as the data is save.
Jesus could float his ass down and hand me an 8TB "superawesomemega drive, and I still wouldn't run all my shit off it without a backup solution in place.
Price is up to $299 now.
We are finally making progress in price/capacity after that "flood".
Wow, just when we think SSD is going to replace HDD, blammo! I wonder how durable/reliable these dense 8 TB HDDs will be.
Only a fool thinks SSD's were replacing spinners any time soon.
'reliability' is a metric that is determined by your last backup.
I don't know about "any time soon", but I read a thread somewhere on [H] that some "expert" thought that SSDs will be cheaper than HDDs per GB by I think 2020, if I recall. That seems too ambitious.
Well about reliability, higher quality HDDs have a higher mean time between failure than lower quality HDDs. Of course, regardless of the HDD quality/reliability, proper backup is important.
People will go back and forth on the HDD vs SSD... in 15 or 20 years I wouldn't be surprised if we had some cool new tech like isolinear chips from start trek, or some sort of holographic storage with crazy levels of storage and speed.
Theoretically, sure. But what exactly is "quality"? No large scale studies have been done, so all we have is assumptions and anecdotal "I once had X brand fail, but Y brand is still going strong" bullshit. The circlejerk never ends. Enjoy.