.....Of course, if they wanted to just price-cut the 980 to $400, I don't think anyone would complain.
This further highlights an issue that I've seen creeping up for a few months now on nVidia's part. The 390 and 390X are doing quite well as a performance/price value proposition, and nVidia has no good answer in that price range.
The 970 has performed well as a midrange soldier for a long time, but its weaknesses are starting to show. Sure, it's cheaper than the 390, but only by about $20 or so. Not a bad buy at $280 to $300, but now it's suddenly getting caught with its 3.5 GB pants down.
If an nVidia customer decides, "Okay, I'll just step up--the 970 was never envisioned for play at 4K anyway," what's his option? There'es nothing but barren sand and blowing tumbleweeds in the nVidia product stack all the way up to the 980 at $480. For that kind of gap, unless HDMI 2.0 is a concern, the 390X makes better sense.
I think nVidia needs a 970Ti at around $400 to fill this hole in their lineup. Make it a slightly cut-down 980 to soak up some defective 980 chips, but have the PCB with a "true" 4GB design. Of course, if they wanted to just price-cut the 980 to $400, I don't think anyone would complain.
I don't think that hole is as prominent as you think, but I see your point. As much as I've dabbled here or there in SLI in the past, or bought top-end cards until recent years, at this point I just want the fastest cost-effective card I can get with a single GPU. Basically puts me in the mid to upper-mid range. I'm happy playing at 1920x1080, but I want to be able to push settings up to where I want them. I'm not a big AA/AO type of person either. I'm more interested in pushing shadows, lighting, shaders, geometry etc. I'm probably somewhat in the minority, but I know there are plenty of people like me still. The 970 is perfect for this. Probably even ok for 1440 in "most" cases. I haven't played a game yet that I've had a problem with given these criteria.
If I really wanted to upgrade, (having already spent around $300 originally on the 970) $400-500 seems reasonable for the next step or two up in the current generation. (like if I decided to get a higher resolution monitor or something). I don't think a middle-step 970Ti would cut it if I really wanted to go to a higher resolution and still push the options I like. The 980 or the mid range part from the next generation would make a lot more sense I think.
I'm all for more options though, so it would be totally fine if they did release a 970Ti, (better yet if it's Maxwell 2...) I just don't think it's very important the way things currently sit. My opinion of course. I think my 970 will do just fine until the Pascal equivalent is released, at which point I'll pick one of those up. Games are definitely demanding more memory now, but there are cards for that for resolutions that require it. I'm still not seeing it at 1080. Maybe my view is skewed a bit, but I see the 970 as squarely a 1080 card. A very capable one, but still 1080.
We will probably see some price wars in the not too distant future. I was really hoping it would have started by now, since I would like a vanilla Fury at a cheaper price point.
Thanks for the review here. Always liked how Powercolor went their own way with their Devil series. Moreover, they have exceptional customer service in my experience.
Results tell me the $450 I spent on a 295x2 last month was worth it, especially since I'm "only" playing at 2560x1400 and not limited by only 4GB. Disappointing to see Crossfire wackiness still going on in some games -- and it's inexcusable AMD doesn't even deign to answer your questions here.
It would have been appropriate to compare other top end SINGLE CARDS, such as 980 TI/titan X and Fury x. That's the point of making it a single card.
There are no single cards that are $800. TITAN X is $200 more expensive, and 980 Ti and Fury X are $150 less expensive.
You can always compare performance by looking at our latest reviews using these video cards and extrapolate performance comparisons between them and PowerColor Devil 13 Dual Core R9 390.
Its weird that you guys just noticed a performance impact by the 3.5GB of ram.
It's primarily what resolution you play at and what your target frame rate is.Kinda cool seeing this done with 16gb of ram. PowerColor has been doing some unique stuff and that is good they get some attention. As for the card I think some will find it crazy enough to own. At least AMD is making some headway with their drivers on GameWorks titles.
Love how the review puts it how it is with and without GameWorks, just the facts/data. If you own a Nvidia card GameWorks may work for you. If you don't but own a AMD card GameWorks tends to give power performance and issues. Which to me makes sense due to the very close nature in how it is handled. How HardOCP did this review and few others with GameWorks title is perfect and I see no issue with using GameWorks titles that are very good games presenting the issues with and without GameWorks. This allows reviewer to make better choice in the end on their own.
Now I wonder percentage wise, how many titles that need something like CFX/SLI to really max out the title can each solution play, percentage wise? There are thousands of games old and new, many could use the extra boost, especially at higher resolutions to play well. I have no feel for this even though I have a CFX configuration. How much better is SLI or CFX over the other across a broad base of games? Data here is too small to give any kind of conclusion. Which makes deciding if one wants to purchase a dual GPU card harder to make.
80% of a standard 20A/120V circuit is still almost 2000watts.
Great review can you crossfire 2 of these cards
Great review can you crossfire 2 of these cards
I can see testing done by begging your next door neighbor for his socket so you can test the videocards without causing any shutdownsZarathustra[H];1041924114 said:Not sure you'd be able to add a second one, without a second PSU, on a separate outlet residing on a separate circuit.
I can see testing done by begging your next door neighbor for his socket so you can test the videocards without causing any shutdowns
Zarathustra[H];1041924085 said:I don't think I've ever seen a house wired for that.
Everywhere is pretty much standard 15A circuits, usually a singe circuit shared between several outlets.
Maybe this is just because most of the homes around here are older construction. There is very little new construction here. My house was built in 1909 which is a little older than average. Not sure when the electrical was installed/updated but it was more recently than that, as I don't have knob+tube wiring (My previous house was built in 1830, it had newer wiring, but whomever did it was lazy and ran very few circuits, meaning I couldn't run the AC and the PC at the same time)
Most homes around here are 60s-70s vintage. Often times you have homes with just NEMA 1-15 ungrounded outlets
There is very little that is newer than that.
most likely due to old wiring.
Most new/updated construction is 15A for lighting, 20A for receptacles (or mixes), 30A for appliances.
This card is now $600. $500 with the rebate.
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