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Limp Gawd
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Newb question, but what's a 1 terra flop video card mean? Couldn't get any good results on this from google.
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Again, Cevat Yerli did NOT confirm anything
The 8800GT and new 8800GTS were both on a roadmap for mid Nov. release. When you reference the words "really, relaly good deals" - why would you ever use that to talk about a new GTX/Ultra?
The bigger issue is that the delay of a new high end *HAS* been hinted by many sources, including those in the industry, and those who probably have a pretty good grasp on whats going on (including editors here at [H])
Newb question, but what's a 1 terra flop video card mean? Couldn't get any good results on this from google.
yeah Cevat is a douche bag. i hope he gets deported back to Uzbekistan.
really? really. The only douche bag i see here is a troll who paid for a 64-bit copy of Vista Ultimate.
In the high tech business, things promised get changed REALLY fast.
At that time, the failure of the 2900XT was still unknown. Priorities change as well: the holiday season meant a killer mid-range card would mean tons of cash. A new high end makes no sense when your high end already rules the market.
What would investors prefer? A new high end with few sales or a mid-range product with large number of sales, given that the market is clamoring for one?
I know that Nvidia is still first and foremost a business with investors who want increased revenues
yeah Cevat is a douche bag. i hope he gets deported back to Uzbekistan.
I've heard something very interesting about a certain design win with a major OEM where RV670 beat G92 in a direct competition.
That may be true, but no one (including you) knows how things will change, or whether they are even changing.
High end is for bragging rights. It's hard to brag when the best of your best is choking on the hottest new game.
Both? A high end that makes the company able to say "we crush every game" and "how it's meant to be played," and a midrange card to earn the big bucks. Since when are they limited to one card launches every 4 months?
Agreed, I however do not believe that stopping innovation to wait for the slow guy (ati) is a good way to increase revenues.
From what Ive seen, The tesla platform (the Teraflop GPGPU project), was due to get this card before the rest of the graphics market does, because nvidia wants to start competing to get these cards into compute clusters in order to compete with the bigger fish (intel, AMD,ibm,sun etc). Would make sense for nvidia, Selling 1-2u servers with these cards producing 1teraflop for $10-20,000 a pop would be more of a turn around than selling to the public for $599, atleast at the start. Thats what I got out of these rumors anyways. Their is also rumors that nvidia is working out an external connection for the pciE bus in order to cluster them together for the tesla platform.
I don't know how nvidia is going to work all of that out, if they do work it out, they are in a whole different ballgame for them. But depending on how well they can get it together, it may mean that nvidia brings out the new chips for tesla first, Geforce second. Thats the only way I see any Teraflop card coming out this year. Nvidia needs to keep the investors happy, a successful tesla launch would do way more than pushing a high end GPU replacement for the top 2%.
Whatever tricks they needed to do to make it happen, they must have done successfully.
I do believe Cevat Yerli thinks the Big Dog card is out in Nov, right along with the others.
Weather they were able to hit the 1TB mark or not we will see....
I think the high end unit, whatever it is, will be out on the 15th or so.
High-end is largely for bragging rights. BTW I do know people in the industry, in fact, one can say I'm involved pretty deeply And there isn't a whole lot to be said about the new high end, so either NVidia is keeping it very very tight-lipped outside of those actually working on it, or its not due for release soon
If you search through my posts, you'll know that I was one of the first people w/ info on the 8700GTS which eventually became the 8800GT. I found this stuff way back in September and even then, partners with Nvidia already knew that the G92 was going to be the 8700GTS/whatever designation for an upper mid-range card. I find it unlikely that with this supposed release so soon that no info would be out
Anyways, priorities do change. Those working on the new high end might get shifted to the mid-range when the mid-range priority is greater. Same for delays in roadmaps. You have to be flexible to what your competitors are doing, esp. if there is only one competitor and they might have a trump card that you can't sit raound on.
TalonMan:
We'll seen soon enough. Yes, Cevat's quote doesn't rule out a high end, but with all the talk about the new 8800's replacing the older versions and being slotted as price/performance kings, I find it highly unlikely he's talking about a new high end.
Another kicker is this:
At the begging of this week, Nvidia invited a bunch of people to preview the 8800GT and essentially gave them a week to test it before the 10/29 NDA is lifted. A week's worth of time to play around with it. However, if rumors are that yields aren't that great and the 10/29 launch is more of a paper launch than a hard launch (along w/ the rumors that they don't have a huge quantity of cards on hand), it would make sense that the roadmap still has an official wide release as mid Nov. but Nvidia is trying to beat ATI to the punch before ATI gets to start marketing about the laurels of having a DX 10.1 compliant card, not to mention that its performance is yet to be seen.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia has something up their sleeves, but given that many people "in the know" have said don't expect a new high end before this year is over, and that Nvidia's partners themselves aren't in the loop on the high end this late in the game, I'm not going to be hopeful.
I would not be surprised to see Nvidia with thier own cpu design withing the next 3 years
High end is for bragging rights - exactly - if their high end can't play the newest hottest game at superdupermega high quality, what are they going to brag about? Being faster than your competitor is important, but that is not the only factor for "bragging rights."
I searched through your posts, and noted that the sept. 8700 post was you quoting a VR zone article.. Maybe I missed something, and I apologize if I did, but that doesn't seem like you're as steeped in the industry as you allude to. Particularily when it comes to knowing what nvidia is planning to do next.
Don't get me wrong, I don't claim to know what nvidia is going to do next - I have just read those arguments a few thousand times before, and never really agreed with them. I'm glad I voiced my opinion to you though, as you seem to be reasonable and amply capable of structuring arguments for support. Cheers!
i know you are not calling me a douche bag, noobie. check forum rules about proper forum manners, especially for noobie status. what does my Vista have to do with anything? gosh these kids kill me.
The demo is running quite poorly on my system... I hope there's something wrong lol...
ya need the 9800GTX 1gb version = avaialble same day as Crysis release
please don't tell me you are basing facts off this dumbass? He may think it will be out in November, but I have an inside source that is telling me it will be out th 16th of november.One other question:
Don't you think that if some event happened, that was big enouigh to delay the release of the 1TF card, and move Crysis clean off of it, and onto the midrange refresh cards, we would have heard a scrap of info on it?
Cevat Yerli thinks Crysis will be out in Nov.
On this fact alone, dosen't that sway some of you boys to jump from the dark side?
I mean, if you didn't think the high-end part was going to be out this year, you couldn't have been expecting a Nov release of Crysis then could you?
There is your running an out of date one year old VideoCard ya need the 9800GTX 1gb version = avaialble same day as Crysis release
Does this confirm we gave a 'NEW' GTX that is at least 20% faster than the 'NEW' GT in our near future?
http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/showthread.php?t=4190
PCGH:
Will the G80 chip continue to be used only in the highest-end cards, e.g. GTX and Ultra?
Nvidia:
Yes, absolutely. GTX is more than 20% faster than the 8800 GT at 25x16 4xAA.
He might be talming New GT is 20% slower than the GTX and Ultra? Not sue...
It's is ready right now, but releasing it right now would only hurt the sales of their current line.I am sure NVidia will be releasing a new card when it is ready
FEAR was always an excellent example of what SLI can do...unfortunately is one of the only examples. What happens in FEAR is not present in other games, in fact its not present in most with SLI.
It's is ready right now, but releasing it right now would only hurt the sales of their current line.
The development cycles on GPUs are a lot longer than it seems. It's tempting to believe that nVidia and ATi are in this frantic battle like some sports match where the tides turn rapidly and they have to adapt. I'm not "in the know" but I've read that, for the most part, GPUs are designed well in advance. I imagine that G100 and R800 have been designed and are being tested by now. Manufacturing issues (such as low yeilds) were the reason R600 was so badly delayed, it's not that they saw the G80 and thought, "Oh crap, let's start over!"
It's been a year since G80 launched. G80 has a lot of disabled shaders, and I think that was due to thermal issues. So there had been an impetus to create a more power-efficient G80-type core (read:G92) since before the 8 series was launched. Surely the 8800GT was ready to launch a while ago, just waiting for a Holiday release. So what have they been doing since then? The 9 series flagship is ready for manufacture, and nVidia is just waiting for a good reason to release it. That's not evil, just good business.
If I'm out to lunch on this, please show me.
Yeah, that wasn't the point. How about BioShock...
lots of examples on both of my links, you should click through. too bad SLI doesn't work yet with Crysis.
What happens in fear is not present in _any_ other game, if you want to continue your little game of semantics.
If i was playing a little game of semantics i would have asked you where the SLI benches in Vista are.
How about here.
i would _LOVE_ to sit here and keep doing your work for you, but I have better things to do.
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