Police Pulled Over Google's Self-Driving Car

xJ321x

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Google's car should've just reminded the cop about some of his past search results then just strolled off beeping the horn.
 

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I bet that was a nice break for the officer. The officer didn't have to listen to someone screaming, "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?".
 

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I bet that was a nice break for the officer. The officer didn't have to listen to someone screaming, "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?".

Do you know who I am? I know who you are, who you work for, who are your friends and family, what porn sites you visit and what are you getting in blackfriday. :D:D
 

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Google should put the Johnny Cab robot from Total Recall in there for situations like this.
 

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Ignorance of the law is no excuse, written reprimand is due for that Officer.

How was the officer supposed to know the vehicle qualifies as a Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV)/Low-Speed Vehicle (LSV) without stopping it and making a determination first hand?
 

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How was the officer supposed to know the vehicle qualifies as a Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV)/Low-Speed Vehicle (LSV) without stopping it and making a determination first hand?

Haven't you heard yet? Police officers are supposed to be inhumanly all-knowing. If they're not and have to take some kind of action to figure something out, it totally justifies someone's existing anti-law enforcement opinion that springs from an irrational male insecurity over figures of authority wearing uniforms that somehow wronged them by acting to stop or prevent criminal acts to the benefit of a stable society. :D I mean, every guy I've met gets upset at the police officer that pulled them over when they were speeding because it's the somehow the cop's fault that a person can't drive at the posted speed limit.
 

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How was the officer supposed to know the vehicle qualifies as a Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV)/Low-Speed Vehicle (LSV) without stopping it and making a determination first hand?

The car is very noticeable, says Google on the side, and living under a rock is not an excuse, IMO, lol.

In your own words, how is that officer supposed to know:

- Driver license
- Registration
- EPA Regulations
- Safety belt
- Etc.

Without stopping it and making a determination first hand? Because of you now he must stop 100% of vehicles on the road and make proper determinations. ha ha, ok, I'm done. :)

This was just a lazy cop that thought he could waste 45 min and not have to do anything constructive.
 

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How was the officer supposed to know the vehicle qualifies as a Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV)/Low-Speed Vehicle (LSV) without stopping it and making a determination first hand?

Damnit, forgot the most important part. :fail:

Anyhow, I was pulled over in IL because I had an air freshener hanging from my rear view mirror. I had no idea that was illegal in IL being from another state, was told ignorance of the law is no excuse, so that my sarcastic joke above, lmao.
 

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He's a cop FFS, they aren't supposed to do constructive things. You want constructive, find a construction worker ;)

And kindly take your words out of my mouth, I didn't say any of this;
- Driver license
- Registration
- EPA Regulations
- Safety belt
- Etc.

But in rebuttal, upon observance of a possible moving violation the cop will:
Run the Plate Number usually before the stop is made, observe if the occupants are belted up during the initial contact or during the actual stop and occupant questioning process. Determine the status of Driver's License and Vehicle Registration during the occupant questioning process. And ETC is performed as need requires :D

Furthermore, as the article is written in an ambiguous manner, there is more then one way to interpret this comment;
The Mountain View Police Department officer stopped the car to talk to its operators about how "the car was choosing speeds along certain roadways and to educate the operators about impeding traffic per 22400(a) of the California Vehicle Code".

Did the cop stop the car to inform the operators about how "the car was choosing speeds along certain roadways...", or to ask the operators about how "the car was choosing speeds along certain roadways..." in an effort to better understand how the vehicles function as they currently make up part of the traffic landscape of the are he works in?


And this part of the article is actually much more involved;
However, in this instance the Google vehicle hadn't broken any laws, as Google cars aren't permitted to travel more than 25mph under the Neighborhood Electric Vehicle Definition per 385.5 of the California Vehicle Code..

Here is the relevant text:
Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV)/Low-Speed Vehicle (LSV) Definition (CVC §§ 385.5, 21250)
An NEV/LSV is a motor vehicle that:

Has four wheels.
Within one mile can reach a speed of more than 20 miles per hour (mph) but not more than 25 mph on a paved level surface.
This part is written in a manner that implies capability, that the vehicle isn't capable of going faster then 25MPH.

Operation of NEVs/LSVs

Local authorities, by ordinance or resolution, may restrict or prohibit the use of NEVs/LSVs. An NEV/LSV may:

Not be operated on any roadway with a speed limit above 35 mph.

Modified/Altered NEVs/LSVs
(CVC §21254)

If you modify or alter your NEV/LSV to go faster than 25 miles per hour, the vehicle no longer qualifies for the relaxed FMVSS established for NEV/LSVs. Your vehicle will be required to meet the same FMVSS established for passenger vehicles. Failure to comply with all necessary regulations may result in a citation.

So there is an important issue in this Law that relates to the vehicles capability, not only it's operated speed. It's doesn't matter how fast you are driving, if the vehicle is capable of greater then 25MPH speeds then it must comply with the law that governs driving too slow.

In defense of the statement, everything I have seen in a quick little search says the vehicle's top speed is 25MPH. But if a cop clocks one at greater then 25MPH then he would be correct to stop and ask some questions.
 

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Damnit, forgot the most important part. :fail:

Anyhow, I was pulled over in IL because I had an air freshener hanging from my rear view mirror. I had no idea that was illegal in IL being from another state, was told ignorance of the law is no excuse, so that my sarcastic joke above, lmao.

Ahh, I get you.

I live in a smaller town, not tiny, but pretty small. I was turning left in an intersection and figured I could just make it through even though it was switching to yellow, I already had my speed up and was moving so it was just safer to go then to try and stop and maybe get rear ended by the guy behind. Now my turn wasn't illegal, I made it fine, but a cop pulled me over to give me a warning, (unwritten), that I was pushing it.

Of course I know the deal, I was driving a Mitsubishi 3000GT SL and the cop saw the car and I was pushing the light and the speed limit zipping right on through and he figured he should stop this "kid" and make an impression. He just didn't figure that the kid would turn out to be 45 years old :D
 

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Haven't you heard yet? Police officers are supposed to be inhumanly all-knowing. If they're not and have to take some kind of action to figure something out, it totally justifies someone's existing anti-law enforcement opinion that springs from an irrational male insecurity over figures of authority wearing uniforms that somehow wronged them by acting to stop or prevent criminal acts to the benefit of a stable society. :D I mean, every guy I've met gets upset at the police officer that pulled them over when they were speeding because it's the somehow the cop's fault that a person can't drive at the posted speed limit.

Please be sexist elsewhere.
Cops who enforce victimless crimes are evil, regardless of if they have authority. They are wronging all of humanity.
 

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Please be sexist elsewhere.
Cops who enforce victimless crimes are evil, regardless of if they have authority. They are wronging all of humanity.

Seriously? I'm glad that people who think like you don't make laws. Anything that can potentially hurt someone else is a crime and people should be arrested, get a criminal record on the spot for the rest of their lives, and then go straight to prison where they belong. We could totally just do the whole trial thing through a webcam thing inside a police car and then the person who was speeding could go to jail for a few months to think about how much danger they put everyone in by being selfish, immature, and stupid. Attitudes like yours show how willing people are to try to avoid accepting responsibility for the dumb stuff they do and if that's normal for people, then we need to make sure their lives are ruined so they can't own a car ever again and do it more than once.
 

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Please be sexist elsewhere.
Cops who enforce victimless crimes are evil, regardless of if they have authority. They are wronging all of humanity.
Cops are only doing their job. Ultimately bad laws are the results of doucebag private citizens how vote in doucebag politicans who make stupid laws. If one lives in an urban area and considers oneself to be a SJW than one is a douce responsible for the stupid laws enforced by those who put their lives on the line for our safety.
 

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Tech is impressive it knows how to get pulled over.

ya that was my first thought

anyway doing 24 in a 35 would probably get you pulled over here too... probably thought driver was drunk or senile or something
 

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Eh, I live in Mountain View and see several of the cars in my commute nearly every day. IMHO the cars are a bit of a nuisance, not horrible by any means but traffic already sucks with craptastic hooman drivers. Aside from driving slowly they are not very fast or decisive decision makers and get confused easily in heavy traffic.
 

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He's a cop FFS, they aren't supposed to do constructive things. You want constructive, find a construction worker ;)

And kindly take your words out of my mouth, I didn't say any of this;


But in rebuttal, upon observance of a possible moving violation the cop will:
Run the Plate Number usually before the stop is made, observe if the occupants are belted up during the initial contact or during the actual stop and occupant questioning process. Determine the status of Driver's License and Vehicle Registration during the occupant questioning process. And ETC is performed as need requires :D

Furthermore, as the article is written in an ambiguous manner, there is more then one way to interpret this comment;


Did the cop stop the car to inform the operators about how "the car was choosing speeds along certain roadways...", or to ask the operators about how "the car was choosing speeds along certain roadways..." in an effort to better understand how the vehicles function as they currently make up part of the traffic landscape of the are he works in?


And this part of the article is actually much more involved;


Here is the relevant text:
This part is written in a manner that implies capability, that the vehicle isn't capable of going faster then 25MPH.





So there is an important issue in this Law that relates to the vehicles capability, not only it's operated speed. It's doesn't matter how fast you are driving, if the vehicle is capable of greater then 25MPH speeds then it must comply with the law that governs driving too slow.

In defense of the statement, everything I have seen in a quick little search says the vehicle's top speed is 25MPH. But if a cop clocks one at greater then 25MPH then he would be correct to stop and ask some questions.
It's a grey area really. The problem with the NEV rules is that they are meant for golf carts, not cars. Vehicles meant to be used for short neighborhood trips of a block or two, not a vehicle to go across town or commute to work.
 

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Eh, I live in Mountain View and see several of the cars in my commute nearly every day. IMHO the cars are a bit of a nuisance, not horrible by any means but traffic already sucks with craptastic hooman drivers. Aside from driving slowly they are not very fast or decisive decision makers and get confused easily in heavy traffic.

This reminds me of my time in driving in Korea while I was in the Army. The Army went through so much effort trying to teach us to "drive defensively" and this was realistically the worst thing for them to do. Politically I recognize that it was their only option and that they just had to trust good old American Soldiers to somehow figure it all out on their own.

See, driving in Korea in the early 80s was wild, it's still wild. Koreans have this "if nothing is hurt or damaged then who cares?" attitude. Four lanes become six, safe driving distance is bumper to bumper as long as they don't touch, etc. If you listened to the Army and drove defensively you never got anywhere and what's worse, you made everything around you worse.

If you are driving and see someone driving strangely what do you do? You react differently as well, it's like a chain reaction that just puts everyone at greater risk because no one knows what anyone is about to do. That is what you get when you drop an American driver into the Korean streets and tell them to not drive like the Koreans do. You create a microcosm of vehicular insecurity to the 10th power of stupidity.

I would imagine that these Google Cars are going to have a similar effect until people learn to recognize them and realize they are machines doing the driving and not people with issues :cool:
 

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In CA you are required by law to pull over and let cars pass if there are 5 or more cars behind you (when it is safe to pull over of course). The story I read said there was "a line of cars behind" it and was doing 25mph in a 35 zone: if it was 5 or more he should indeed have pulled it over and was doing his job to remind the "driver" of this, he also apparently did know he was pulling over a driverless car.
 

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Cops are only doing their job. Ultimately bad laws are the results of doucebag private citizens how vote in doucebag politicans who make stupid laws. If one lives in an urban area and considers oneself to be a SJW than one is a douce responsible for the stupid laws enforced by those who put their lives on the line for our safety.

Yeah, but cops make the choice to do the job. Nobody forces them. And your point about mob rule is correct,
 

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"the car was choosing speeds along certain roadways and to educate the operators about impeding traffic per 22400(a) of the California Vehicle Code"

Probably dudes in self-driving car didn't have the courtesy to pull over an allow traffic to pass. I could see roads in that region being busy but little or no opportunity to pass and quite a bit of traffic building up.
 
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