Deadjasper
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Please keep posting as you always have. I enjoy your posts and will never complain.
Problem with this board and many others is there are too many wannabe mods and not enough indians.
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Pictures Of Your Dually Rigs!
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Please keep posting as you always have. I enjoy your posts and will never complain.
Problem with this board and many others is there are too many wannabe mods and not enough indians.
Mr. Bluntman
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I wasn't necessarily complaining, either. I was just being more of a smartass than anything. I'll let Kyle and crew do the mod duties around here. I'm good running a Discord server of ~60 people lol
I'm just another little injun. Who wants the peace pipe?
I'm just another little injun. Who wants the peace pipe?
Please keep posting as you always have. I enjoy your posts and will never complain.
Problem with this board and many others is there are too many wannabe mods and not enough indians.
Will do!!Please keep posting as you always have. I enjoy your posts and will never complain.
Problem with this board and many others is there are too many wannabe mods and not enough indians.
And the mod crew around here is no joke if you get tangled with them! Know a bunch of users have have in the past.
Even the older lga1366 and lga2066 z-lines were stout machines. I have a z600 and z420 and love them both. Both have seen duty in up to 90F and never complain. I have purposely set the fans to 100% for them though considering the service duty.
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Postcount++
More seriously though, sometimes when you are replying to one post, you don't know you are going to be drawn to reply to another shortly, and you don't necessarily want to edit, because then the person you are replying to may miss the reply.
I don't mind the separation between replies though, it can make things more organized and readable.
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Mr. Bluntman
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This is 100% the only reason I'm guilty of it from time to time.
Deadjasper
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I've been here since 2001 and have only 2415 posts. Call me a conservative.
Yep, pretty much happens to me as I will open the reply in a new window so I can continue reading where I left off and get my thoughts out and posted. Sometimes that backfires a bit as someone else addresses the same issue or there's more info later in the thread, but hey this is free 'content' for the website so I'm not going to spend more time than necessary.
I'm on some forums for over a decade and don't even have a 100 posts, lol. It depends on what the activity is and the community really. I dig the vibe of the people here, so I'm back regularly.I've been here since 2001 and have only 2415 posts. Call me a conservative.
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I really love my Z840, 4th gen Intel base Xeons, but with the right config, able to keep up or exceed many current desktop CPUs.
With that said, as much as I love it, to think of purchasing it now ?? Sort on the fence. Great box, don't get me wrong, but it's going to be harder to justify as it ages (as far as getting one that's "new to you").
But still, there's a part of me that says "Buy it!!"
One thing, it is very custom. The passive heat sinks on the CPUs are specially designed for a very custom duct work and fan shroud. So much so, I purchased a spare.
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I like my Z840. I bought it a couple years ago specifically for me to play around with a new to me dual cpu system that I use for distributed computing. The v4 Xeons are cheap and HP's are pretty versatile. I ran it during the last couple challenges we've had for Primegrid and The Pentathlon. It fits a couple low end NV xx60 type GPU's and has 40c/80t for CPU work in a fairly small space. And it just runs. No issues. So, lots of CPU crunching and a pair of small 3060's make a tight little box.
However, I just bought a Z6 single CPU off lease and will either add the 2nd CPU module to it or if looking for a dual system off lease today I'd look at the newer Z8's. 2nd gen Intel scalable CPU's are plentiful. You just have to watch compatibility as there are a bunch of off roadmap CPU's cheap that may not work with the MB in some systems.
However, I just bought a Z6 single CPU off lease and will either add the 2nd CPU module to it or if looking for a dual system off lease today I'd look at the newer Z8's. 2nd gen Intel scalable CPU's are plentiful. You just have to watch compatibility as there are a bunch of off roadmap CPU's cheap that may not work with the MB in some systems.
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Same,
While my Threadripper 3960x is not a "dual CPU" solution, and is newer than an e5-2698 v4, the comparison is somewhat revelant from a "many core" perspective. Having been launched in 2019 vs 2016, even it is starting to lose its relevancy compared to newer fewer core consumer parts (as long as you don't need quad channel RAM or a large number of PCIe lanes)
While it is really cool to pick up these older many core dual socket systems, and you can get a lot of rendering power for not very much money if you time it right, that window is pretty small.
My 24C/48T Threadripper 3960x scores ~32,500 in Cinebench R23 which was amazing when it was new, compared to newer consumer chips it's not as impressive. A MUCH cheaper Ryzen 9 7900x is nipping at its heels with ~29,500, and a Ryzen 9 7950x beats it handily at ~38,700. And my Threadripper absolutely has its ass handed to it by both of these newer chips in single core loads. (2072 and 2042 vs my paltry 1337)
It seems like just yesterday I bought this thing, but I guess a lot happens in 3.5 years. At least my single core score is 1337
My old dual socket E5-2650v2 in my server feels like it is hobbling along at this point, spending more power and having less to show for it than a newer system. I really should replace it with something newer, but I am a homeowner now, and something always seems to have higher priority than spending a few thousand bucks on a new server...
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The thing that will always make the justification easy is when you look at the price/performance ratio. When these workstations drop in price, they usually drop pretty massively from new once they enter the used market. And as they age, it falls off even faster. And then there's private parties that no longer need them--which is where the real bargains are.
Still, the cheap performance is always in rack mount servers (when it comes to duallys)--people will basically give them away once they're older even when their workstation twin still commands some dough. And you can put it in the garage and rdp into it and all is good!
One challenge in recent time is that it can be hard to beat an simple 3900x-5900x type of build for MT performance for old dual rig if 64-128gig of ram is enough, and those can be on the simple-cheap to get.
A simple 3900x has a 33k MT passmark, 64gb system with a Radeon 6700, 1tb ssd goes for $650 on Ebay, maybe you can find something under $500 with no GPU.
you need a dual Intel Xeon E5-2699C v4 and their 44 cores-88thread to match that and you will have half-66% the single thread performance and only match the 3900x for things that can scale well over 80 threads.
A simple 3900x has a 33k MT passmark, 64gb system with a Radeon 6700, 1tb ssd goes for $650 on Ebay, maybe you can find something under $500 with no GPU.
you need a dual Intel Xeon E5-2699C v4 and their 44 cores-88thread to match that and you will have half-66% the single thread performance and only match the 3900x for things that can scale well over 80 threads.
Deadjasper
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I have a very old Supermicro 1U dually server based on a X7DWU with 2 E5472 Xeons and 32GB of ram. It also has an add in IPMI daughter card and 4 10k SAS HD's. It has a Dell Perc H310 SAS controller in IT mode so it can handle just about any HD I could throw at it and it still functions flawlessly. I fire it up maybe 2 to 3 times a year and would not hesitate to gut it and toss it in the Dumpster if it ever failed. The only reason I don't utilize it for a useful purpose is because it consumes gobs and gobs of power when running.
Yep, the single thread performance is where a lot of these workstations lack compared to more modern cpus which have come up in cores as well so now can do similar 'thready' jobs, and faster thanks to the higher ipc.
But ime, this is where the cost factor comes in as the 'slower' systems will be cheaper--sometimes so much cheaper that you can just pick up 3-4 and cluster them and have more performance for the same price.
Still a capable machine to do something if you need it to. Reliability is probably its strongest point as it was built to a much higher enterprise standard.
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How do you guys deal with the lack of HD capacity in newer cases? I've had to move to rackable chassis to get the capacity I need and then I have to deal with noise.
NAS/DAS as required.
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My Dual CPU system is my NAS (among other things). It's essentially a VM server.
Noise is an issue with many rackmount cases, but you can mitigate it.
I have a SuperMicro SC846 4U case for mine. The noise in that case comes from three places. Power supplies, fan wall and exhaust fans.
You can replace the two 80mm exhaust fans in the back with desktop equivalent PWM fans (I went with Noctua).
I took the entire fan wall out, and replaced it with a custom solution with three 120mm desktop Noctua PWM fans, which is much quieter.
They fit perfectly across. I just made my own wood strip to block the top and hold them in place.
The power supplies that usually ship with the case are very loud, but there are alternative quiet PSU's for it that make it much more reasonable.
It's reasonably quiet (though maybe not quite as quiet as a desktop can be. Not sure as it sits in my rack with other noisy stuff)
And you get 24 drive bays.
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Finally decided to replace my Supermicro X8DTI with a pair of X5670's with 64GB of RAM and an R9 290 with something a lot more reasonable.
Making a fun little project out of modifying (heavily) an old Dell Optiplex 5070. i7 8700 with 64G of RAM and a AMD 5600XT. This little Dell uses less power at full load than my Dual Xeon system was using at idle!
I'm a bit sad because it's breaking a nice streak I had going of dual processor home PC's.
* HP XW6200, 2x Xeon 3.8ghz (2C/4T)
* HP XW6400, 2x Xeon 5160 (4C/4T)
* Supermicro X8DTi, 2x Xeon X5670 (12C/24T)
Making a fun little project out of modifying (heavily) an old Dell Optiplex 5070. i7 8700 with 64G of RAM and a AMD 5600XT. This little Dell uses less power at full load than my Dual Xeon system was using at idle!
I'm a bit sad because it's breaking a nice streak I had going of dual processor home PC's.
* HP XW6200, 2x Xeon 3.8ghz (2C/4T)
* HP XW6400, 2x Xeon 5160 (4C/4T)
* Supermicro X8DTi, 2x Xeon X5670 (12C/24T)
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Here's my spaghetti mess of a server
2 x CPU E5-2697 v2 @ 2.70GHz (24 cores, 48 threads)
128 GIG of DDR3 ECC
Supermicro X9DRi-LN4F+ V1.20A
2 x LSI controllers flash to P20 IT mode firmware
Coolers came off aliexpress
It's a TrueNAS Core server 13.0U5 (10 or so iocages plex,sonarr,nzbget,bazar etc, also have minio iocage running so my Unraid server can backup to minio via restic)
I recently added three additional 12TB Helium drives, which are not shown in the picture. I manage to cram one more at the very top and the other two at the bottom left by the PSU. This brings my total to 15 hard drives and 4 SSDs in my setup. Also opted to 3D print the bay mounts using glow-in-the-dark filament. I think buying them would have cost me at least $120-$140 so no thanks.
2 x CPU E5-2697 v2 @ 2.70GHz (24 cores, 48 threads)
128 GIG of DDR3 ECC
Supermicro X9DRi-LN4F+ V1.20A
2 x LSI controllers flash to P20 IT mode firmware
Coolers came off aliexpress
It's a TrueNAS Core server 13.0U5 (10 or so iocages plex,sonarr,nzbget,bazar etc, also have minio iocage running so my Unraid server can backup to minio via restic)
I recently added three additional 12TB Helium drives, which are not shown in the picture. I manage to cram one more at the very top and the other two at the bottom left by the PSU. This brings my total to 15 hard drives and 4 SSDs in my setup. Also opted to 3D print the bay mounts using glow-in-the-dark filament. I think buying them would have cost me at least $120-$140 so no thanks.
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Here's my spaghetti mess of a server
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2 x CPU E5-2697 v2 @ 2.70GHz (24 cores, 48 threads)
128 GIG of DDR3 ECC
Supermicro X9DRi-LN4F+ V1.20A
2 x LSI controllers flash to P20 IT mode firmware
Coolers came off aliexpress
It's a TrueNAS Core server 13.0U5 (10 or so iocages plex,sonarr,nzbget,bazar etc, also have minio iocage running so my Unraid server can backup to minio via restic)
I recently added three additional 12TB Helium drives, which are not shown in the picture. I manage to cram one more at the very top and the other two at the bottom left by the PSU. This brings my total to 15 hard drives and 4 SSDs in my setup. Also opted to 3D print the bay mounts using glow-in-the-dark filament. I think buying them would have cost me at least $120-$140 so no thanks.
nice.
which case is that?
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It is the Fractal Design Define 7 XL. There are two versions available: one featuring a side panel with a glass window, and the other, like mine, with a regular side panel. This case is highly modular, all the internal walls, floors, hard drive mounts inside come off and can be reconfigured depending on your setup. Also it was the only case I found compatibility with both E-ATX and EE-ATX motherboards. I'm currently using an EE-ATX motherboard in this case.
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Ah yes.. I remember considering buying it for the exact same reason (EEATX).. but then I modded a Lian Li which I already had.