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Discussion in 'HardForum Tech News' started by Megalith, Jan 13, 2019.
Didn't Data have a twin of some sort?
That is the series finale "All Good Things" where Picard jumps through time
Give us a different sci-fi sub-genre.
Space-cowboy, steampunk.... Something!
Yeah, this please. I heard a rumor Cowboy Bebop was coming to Netflix.
If I am not mistaken did they not find many pieces of data's "brother" and had them all assembled before data was killed in Nemesis. I am almost 100% positive of that. My question is why does Data or Data's brother have gray hair.
I interpreted that as a reflection, not grey hair, but then again, Data always wanted to belong and be human, so if all of his friends around him are aging and going grey, maybe he'd want to do the same and modify himself?
Addressed in that episode. He was now a professor and wanted to 'look distinguished' and aged his appearance accordingly (and took some shots for both his beard and pipe.)
Damn it all, I just realized that episode aired 25 f'ing years ago. I don't need a reason to dislike this new Trek; it can get off my lawn!
Oh great, here we go: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cbs-access-develop-michelle-yeoh-172624361.html
Not that I dislike her character, but a full show?
Yeah that seems a little much.
I didn't like her ilmuch in the role. She seemed a little stiff and not natural. Reminded me of that early DS9 episode when the federation sent the sister ship of the Enterprise D through the world hole. That bridge was full of cringe worthily bad acting.
Nope. The new show will be lucky to get 2/3 as compared to the worst eppys of TNG.
Trek movies used to be Science/drama-Action movies (though as you know not all of them where action movies, many of the OG movies, Generations). When they where action movies, such as First Contact and Insurrection, they where thick on the 'Science' and drama. Star Trek had an almost Shakespearean pacing, the drama and dialogue often take part as an aside, in quite moments separate from the action.
The new movies dropped the ball when it came to balancing the drama with the action, they adapted to modern blockbusters and try to cram in the action with the sci-drama. Particularly egregious is the revision of Spock's character (the constant emotions) the more silly action scenes (plumbing on the Enterprise) and the horrific way in which Into Darkness just broke everything (resurrecting blood and teleportation from Earth to Qo'nos???). Into Darkness basically breaks the entire universe worse than Mass Effect 3's ending, Star Fleet would be disband in favor of intergalactic teleportation and over population would be a real problem with Kahn's magic super blood.
Edit: In Nemesis you can just see that the TNG actors are done with the role and really don't care anymore.
TNG was a good show (in the later seasons) and the first Trek i saw. Picard was a great captain. I was surprised at how good TOS was and how much cooler Kirk was though.
Anyway, how many more different plot lines can they have.. TNG had 178 episodes and quite a few movies. I hope they dont screw it up with political correctness and forced diversity. The Star Trek of the past was great cause the diversity felt natural. A lot of movies \ shows these days try forcing it.
I remember TNG going off the air because those actors wanted to make real money and Star Trek was printing money in 91, 92, 93.....DS9 launched and was a dud until they cancelled TnG and moved Michael Dorn over, and directed the writing talent at that show instead, giving us a year-to-year story arc with the Dominion War......those were good shows......but when they announced Voyager most people were "..ok....but...you know...its like 10 years later and we're still seeing the episodes where the doctor has to save the entire crew in the nick of time", etc.
Rick Berman brought Trek though the 90's but they milked it dry.
I hear ya, bro. I can't wait till they do some new movies about the founding fathers and all of them are black actors.
First let me say I don't disagree with your statement but just adding to it. It isn't that the shows felt more natural with diversity. The people there were the best at their jobs and it didn't matter who or what you were because ability was the reason the person was there. Also, I don't think diversity is the best way to characterize it. The older shows just had "people". The sex, color or species didn't matter. They were all just "people".
When there was any emphasis regarding a species the emphasis tended to be about culture. Almost all Worf episodes were in regards to Klingon culture rather than the Klingon species. Data episodes were obviously less about culture since there wasn't an android culture and Data was literally unique but the episodes weren't about pointing out Data's differences as much as showing his growth as a person and how he was working towards his own goal of being more human. Those episodes were about his personal growth and his personal goals instead of how everyone else was trying to treat him differently because he was different. It was pointed out in many shows how Data was to be treated no different than anyone else and how he was expected to perform his duties to the fullest extent of his abilities and with no lower bar than anyone else in the same position. That was one of the best messages to ever come from TNG and something lost today.
Wonder how many years or decades of diminishing returns before CBS has a writer that creates a counter to prevent the Kelvin universe from occurring or a full split so they can go back to the original.
BTW how is it that the "Q" don't have a say in all this?
Well the biggest problems was when they had "non-connected" stories for the shows, like "oooh they're playing baseball in the holodeck... and something something happens" when the Dominion War came out, or the whole 7 of 9/Borg run went through those were episodes that did connect on themes, and those were some of the best ones. I mean hell I didn't like the original TNG, it was very meh looking, but then one day it was like they got a decent set of writers and episodes were actually good.
I think people are completely forgetting something.
Just because an alternate timeline exists does NOT mean that the present timeline is altered. This was the great logical fallacy of Spock going back in time to stop Nero from destroying Vulcan.
It would not have affected the present timeline. It would just have created a new timeline.
Anyone remember that Next Generation episode where Lieutenant Commander Worf kept shifting between different realities with different Enterprises, including one where he loved Deanna Troi ? And then at the end, a crippled Enterprise with Picard dead and Commander Riker as Captain self destructed?
Then they had to find which quantum signature matched Worf's own universe and send him back?
So therefore, the Kelvin timeline had no reason to exist to begin with. Or rather it would have existed anyway. Even "Mirror, Mirror" from TOS and the "New Voyages (IIRC)" sequel showed that these alternate timelines can exist parallel to our own.
So what would Nero going back in time to destroy Vulcan do to our own timeline?
How would it affect the Prime timeline in the first place? It shouldn't.
Someone prove me wrong.
Unless Q was the one who had a say in things...
There is cyberpunk: Altered Carbon
Space-cowboy: Defiance, Killjoys?, Dark Matter?
Also anthologies with strong sci-fi parts: Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams, Metal Hurlant Chronicles
The problem is that you came up with your own story unrelated to the actual 2009 movie.
The 2009 movie is about Spock failing to stop destruction of Romulus, but then he stops the nova after it destroyed Romulus. Nero being angry, right after Spock stopping the nova attacks Spocks ship, result of which is that both of them dropped through black hole into past, but at different times. So Nero didn't want to go back, they unintentionally ended up being in the past. But then he decided to have his own payback, that's all.
Also Spock was not going back to stop Nero. They entered the black hole within minutes of each other in their "present", but that time difference was enough to present itself as years of difference in past. Thus Nero arrived first, Spock later.
I think people have rose-tinted glassed when it comes to TNG as they dropped a few anvils about social issues over the years. "Angel One" comes to mind, as does the episode where Riker tries dating an androgynous alien ('The Outcast'). For all its faults, DS9 did a better job of exploring Federation righteousness versus local culture.
It's starting to feel like FidoNet '88 in here!
B4 was the earlier model and data implanted his memories on him...
edit: his predecessor was Lore, and Data effectively killed him
Yeah, at the end of Nemesis they hinted with the hope that the integrated memories would re-surface over time. Nemesis was by far the hardest for us to enjoy. Great cast, not a bad story, but between them killing Data and yet another rape type plot line with Troi it was kind of a let down for us and a sad way to end it. Really felt like a cinematic continuation of the last season of TNG with stripping Picard of all his achievements.
Just to add more fuel to this fire:
film was way too dark to be enjoyable (exposure wise)
this might just suck as bad as discovery does....
Spoiler alert - its not really about Starfleet. It's a drama. Retired Admiral Picard is trying to save his vineyard, and his fight against the Romulan Ale cartel that's trying to horn in on his territory.
There is a good chance that would be better than STD.
Yeah, I think we can all agree that we had a lot of fun until we got that STD
Not drinking the haterade
It is ok to be wrong.
It does not make you an interesting person to hate what others enjoy.
I wouldn't have a problem with that. My favorite episodes didn't have a pile of lases and explosions.
"Inner Light" is one of my favorites...
I just hope John de Lancie will also be back as Q for this new series. Nobody trolls Picard better than Q.
Its ok to be wrong.
Lots of pancake on his face, or CG?, Patrick Stewart definitely has quite a few more lines (deep ones too) on his face than shown in the trailer.
What a shitshow this will be. RIP ST, SW, GoT...