Picard Will Lead "Radically Altered" Life in New Star Trek Series

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  1. MaZa

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    Oh! We misunderstood the article badly then. It was very confusingly written.
     
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    Orville is awful.
     
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    It changes a lot.

    Seth is the lead actor and he is a terrible actor. He's a fine voice actor, but terrible in live action.

    Even if they got rid of Seth as lead, it's still a cringey parody which gets old fast IMO.
     
  5. Dekoth-E-

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    Star Trek movies are almost all action movies..seriously have you watched the ST movies? None of them are anything like any series. They are almost all action, the enterprise gets blown up in damn near every single one of them. The reboots don't differ from the Star Trek movie formula in the slightest. You might not like JJ's film style or even the writing, but saying the reboots aren't just like the other ST movies is disingenuous at best. Every single time I hear someone whine about the reboots they always compare to one of the TV series and conveniently ignore the fact that nearly every single movie was an action flick that did not use the same formula as the TV series.

    I'm beyond sick and tired of this revisionist bullshit people keep spouting as a reason to hate the reboot. I don't care if you just don't like it, but the constant pushing of a flatly wrong narrative has to stop.
     
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    I always preferred Picard the diplomat rather then Picard the action hero
    Hopefully this falls somewhere in the middle or leans more towards diplomat
     
  7. Armenius

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    They took the "sci" out of sci-fi starting with the 2009 movie and that is why I don't like the new movies. If I wanted space magic I'd go watch Star Wars.
     
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    I immediately gravitated towards TNG and IMO it was one of the best shows ever. I never cared much for the original series, too corny for me.
     
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    Even more ironic since CBS/Paramount put so much effort into shutting down the fan film/series that were existing within the boundaries and merely fleshing out story gaps. Sure they were approaching epic funding, had original cast members, and pretty good effects, but that doesn't justify this. So many good projects that got scrapped for these lame, let's rewrite our way, approach.
     
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    Agreed on every point.
     
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    I'm sure you meant to say "post season 4", heathen!
     
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    How much of it have you watched?
     
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    Even Patrick Stewart can't save the franchise. Ultra-meh.
     
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    The problem is that the supposed protagonist had made numerous decisions and outbursts in the very first episode that are completely irreconcilable with the values star trek used to stand for. Everything was distilled down to how does it make her feel, who cares about the numerous dead crewmen. She has done and said idiot things, and still was propped up as a hero. It might have worked if they presented it as an antihero story like mad-max, but it wasn't that. It was a winy bitch who put her own feelings above of the lives of the crew. Disobeyed numerous orders for petty or bad reasons. And got into an ego driven dick measuring contest that put the entire ship at risk.

    I don't know if anyone have read the Mass Effect Uprising novel. It is exactly the same. Centered around the feelings of a self-infatuated bitch, who worries more about the race of the leader than the actual merits of leadership, and prioritizes petty bullshit above the survival of the entire crew. All while whining about how her feet hurts. And I'm not even joking.

    What's common the common thread with these two, apart from both being scifi stories? That they are both written by sjws for sjws. And apparently for whoever is tone deaf enough to not notice the moral bankruptcy in them.
     
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    Exactly, thats the other huge thing missing in all the "new" Trek, including Discovery. Put the science back in. It's so sad to me that the Lost in Space reboot on Netflix has more science in it than Star Trek.

    And wth is with Discovery's rotating saucer? I think it looks beyond stupid when it starts rotating.
     
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    I wonder how many orange man bad they can work into the plot.
     
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    I can't wait for the episode where Picard has to decide what bathrooms everyone can pee in.
     
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    Patrick Stewart in new star trek? I'll bite. I say this as someone who has not been able to stomach any of the shlock on CBS (sans NFL..) in over a decade.
     
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    This is rad. I grew up on The Next Generation and I had a hard time enjoying anything after that. Now, cue the comparisons between Data now and twenty years ago... as advanced as robotics were in that universe, I can't imagine they would bake in aging.
     
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    So Picard marries the hot Rommie chick from the last TNG movie and goes on a quest from Q to fix the time line!?
     
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    It's from the events of the 2009 reboot movie, NOT Nemesis.
     
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    It's meant to be set 25 years after Nemesis.
     
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    Everything Alex Kurtzman touches is shit. I have every confidence he'll fuck up the Picard show somehow, too.
     
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  24. sfsuphysics

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    Damn straight! Not even the Borg queen could change time, don't tell me some Romulan miners who's captain was upset his wife died radically changed everything in the Universe. I'm hell I think they got that taken care of during the Voyager series with the federation of the 27th century with the temporal prime directive, telling me they couldn't just have gone back and fixed this too? Horseshit! No reboots!
     
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    Romulus not existing really doesn't make a lot of sense. If you think about how many times time travel has been used in Star Trek then just about anything can be changed. That's one area where they sort of fucked up making time travel pretty easy and arguably easier as the series and movies went on.
     
  26. Zarathustra[H]

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    Yeah, but she was also court-martialed and sent to prison for that, only allowed to serve back on a ship without her rank due to extrodinary circumstances.
     
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    Captain Kirk or Picard? Kirk all the way, Patrick Stewart is a self centered prick that ruined STNG when he demanded that all episodes from season 4 and beyond be centered around him after season 3 end Season 4 start The Best of Both Worlds. Before that point all of the main characters had episodes centered around them and it was not all Stewart centered.
     
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    I would love to hear you expound upon exactly what science the next generation films had in them that the Kelvin timeline films did not. Because Those were the films I specifically grew up with and I sure as heck don't remember them as anything beyond an action movie. I can go back further, but that would require me to re-watch a few of the older flicks as my memory is a little more hazy on those. The only difference I see between the two timelines is a rose colored glasses view from people who just seem to dislike JJ Abrams. The new films weren't my favorites, but frankly I don't see where 90% of the moaning about them comes from.
     
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    I'd disagree. Star Trek I, III, IV, V didn't really have much if any kickassery. I'm not saying they were good but they were fairly intellectual films. I don't recall there being a ton of action in Generations either which I also kinda dug.

    Star Trek I was about the search for New Life and the biggest complaint on record is specifically that theres almost no action in it.
    Star Trek II pew pew pew explosion fest
    Star Trek III very little action theres one ship being blown up by dickheads and then a sort of old man fistfight at the end
    Star Trek IV no action its just kind of a comedydrama
    Star Trek V couple of fight scenes thats about it
    Star Trek VI pew pew explosions

    The only reason I feel like I can defend that is I literally sat down and marathoned them last week to test my 7.1 setup. Star Trek V and III are kinda meh for me but the rest were great!

    If you're saying any film with scifi effects in it is an action, fine whatever but I'd disagree.
     
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    This is exactly what has gone wrong with Star Wars as well.... They went outside the lines with Midi-chlorians and such in the prequels. Then in the sequels they did the same with things like hyperspace capable planet destroying mid-flight splitting beams apparently instantly visible from any planet anywhere in the galaxy, and things like the ability to track through hyperspace, and situations like "There is only one thing in the entire galaxy to solve this problem, and low and behold, it is only a few minutes away by hyperspace.... WTF are the odds of that?" .. It is hard to enjoy a show when they take the established rules of the universe and dump on them and all logic and reasonableness at the same time.
     
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    ST II the Wrath of Khan is arguably the best of the original series and Insurrection/First contact are the best of the TNG series...
     
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    I grew up with TOS and the TOS movies. TNG series and movies grew on me. All great.

    Let's visit the rebooted movies. I enjoyed the first one. The second one was OK. I couldn't finish the third. And I absolutely hate Discovery.

    They have lost something trying to make ST something it shouldn't be. Not sure they will ever get it back.
     
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    yea 2009 was good and into darkness was good as well, a very good homage to ST 2 IMHO. the third one just was bad..
     
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    Which is why I specifically said "most" not all. I knew my memory of the originals was a bit hazy, but I knew at least a couple were action. Either way the point was that out of all the films in general, most have clearly been action. Basically every single film Starting with VI have clearly been action summer blockbuster style films. So this whole thing about 2009 specifically changing everything is just nonsense.
     
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    Most of it.
     
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    another star trek series i will not see because its behind CBS all access. Oh well
     
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    Sorry, just had to fix a few things in there from my fond childhood memories. ;)
     
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    ST I: I'd hit it, just need an oil can every once in a while. "OMG its been 10 minutes we get it! Its the goddamn enterprise! dock the shuttle already!!
    ST II: Remember when she was hot? crazy. "from Hell's heart I stab at thee!"
    ST III: Klingon Christopher Llyod has this weird fucking muppet dog in the entire movie. Once you notice it the first time its incredibly distracting for the rest of the movie. I wonder why they changed the actress for hot vulcan chick?
    ST IV: *talks into mouse* HELLO COMPUTER
    ST V: "I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain!" The movie is pretty rough but I like it for the interludes where they talk about god, family and the value of pain in our character.
    STVI: I'd hit it if shes just grow some damn sideburns. I remember thinking "wait...is the president..asian? Vulcan? Klingon? a gnome? WTH is going on here?"

    Thats my review for the weekend.

    as far as hot vulcan chicks nothing beats that girl from the terrible quantum leap enterprise show. I couldnt stand it and only watched like three episodes.
     
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    I loved them both, Trek, Star Wars, but I don't really want more of either.

    What I do want more of is Firefly. I happen to really like "down home" in a future package.

    Firefly is as real as any future I have ever seen can get.

    And since someone else mentioned it, The Expanse because of the same plausible future earthy feel of it all.
     
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    Non-existent within the new (current) timeline yes.