Philips Momentum 43" 4K HDR gaming display

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  1. BlindZenDriver

    BlindZenDriver Limp Gawd

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    Interesting review here: https://www.prad.de/testberichte/test-philips-436m6vbpab-monitor-fuer-konsolenspieler#Einleitung (Google Translate may be handy for those that do not read German).

    Interestingly and certainly news to me was a question posted at the review where a reader asked Prad.de what version of the monitor was tested.
    He asked which of these two:
    • 436M6VBPAB/00 Ultra Wide Color-Technologie
    • 436M6VBPAB/01 mit Quantum Dot color
    and Prad.de replied that their test was on the 436M6VBPAB/00

    So news to me that there is apparently two different version. Anyone know more on this subject - is it just marketing speech that differs acording to country/region or does the 00 vs 01 matter?
    When doing a search on the web I find Philips mentioning both and on the Danish website I tried to compare the specs listed without spotting any difference, the only I could find was that the 01 was labeled with a "New" flag ie. as being a new product while the 00 had no such flag.
     
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  2. AngryLobster

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    The digits at the end I believe are based on the market it's being sold in. For example /27 is North America.
     
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  3. BlindZenDriver

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    I was thinking the same thing, but then why does the Danish Phillips website have both the 00 and the 01.
    Here in the EU the UK is using one type of wall socket design and the rest of us(AFAIK) are all using a different a bit more compact one, so that could like explain why there are two packages and that they only differ in a power cable. Only again then why have both versions on the Danish website - since it is all in Danish the site is only targeted at Denmark.

    I have emailed Philips and hopefully they will get back with a good answer.

    Regardless I am on the fence on getting the 436M6VBPAB and am looking for some reviews to gain knowledge - especially I want to learn more on how the screen is for non-gaming use ie. text work and so on. Unfortunately the Prad.de review did only look at gaming perspective, so while I really trust their work this time I did not learn much from them.
     
  4. Drags

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    Pcmonitors have a review and I know TFTCentral have one coming soon apparently
     
  5. JUNEK9

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    So I've managed to get a hold of the monitor and it appears to be able to accept 4k hdr 10bit 4:4:4 via displayport. Which I thought was impossible given the displayport is v1.2 only...?!?!
     
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  6. Armenius

    Armenius I Drive Myself to the [H]ospital

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    RGB 10 bit is possible with DisplayPort 1.2 at 4K. I would check if you're really operating in HDR, though, as I don't think 1.2 transmits the HDR metadata.
     
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  7. gan7114

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    Keep in mind it is designed to be a 4K 60Hz display, so DP1.2 has enough bandwidth to do 4K 10bit 4:4:4. However, for this monitor you would be better off using the HDMI 2.0 port since you will be able to utilize HDR along with the aforementioned settings.

    Let us know how text appears to your eyes, given the claims of static dithering due to the pixel layout.
     
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  8. JUNEK9

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    Text doesn't appear too bad, there's definitely some ghosting going on though. Regarding HDR I'm able to enable it in the windows 10 settings, and then watch a youtube video in 4k 60fps HDR. Whether I'm getting the full image quality benefits, or even any at all from enabling HDR, I'm honestly unsure now. As I don't know if I have anyway to verify.

    I did try to see what usb-c (dp alt mode) displayport version speed I would get. However with an adapter going from displayport to mini displayport in to the adapter and then into the usb-c port I was only able to get 4k 30hz 8bit at best.
     
  9. Drags

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    The screen tells you if you’re connected to an HDR source I believe and loads of the menu options are then unavailable
     
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    I should also add HDCP 2.2 is also enabled and working over displayport. Which I thought required displayport v1.3 minimum.
     
  11. gan7114

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    If that's the case, maybe Philips added Displayport 1.4 at the last moment? Their site still lists the spec as DP 1.2. What does your manual say?

    AFAIK, DP 1.2 does not support HDCP 2.2, nor does it support HDR. Those features are present in DP 1.4 and HDMI 2.0.
     
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  12. Armenius

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    I would switch to HDMI and see if you notice a difference in HDR content. Mass Effect Andromeda is a very good test if you have it. VESA HDR1000 should be obvious when used, even with just 32 dimming zones.
    It actually doesn't look like the OSD indicates anywhere whether or not HDR is active. The OSD also doesn't grey out any of the HDR options when using DisplayPort input.
    You're correct, but how do you know that it's 2.2? The NVIDIA control panel doesn't specify which version of HDCP is enabled in the status screen. You can still stream unprotected 4K content without HDCP 2.2.
    HDCP 2.2 was added to DP 1.3, but otherwise you're correct.
     
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  13. JUNEK9

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    I used CyberLink Ultra HD Blu-ray Advisor
    http://www.cyberlink.com/prog/bd-support/diagnosis.do

    It says HDCP 2.2 enabled. It's possible the software is bugged, but I doubt it as it's used by a lot of people to verify the displayport version.
     
  14. Armenius

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    Do you have Netflix and a Pascal card with the newest driver? An easy way to confirm if 2.2 is really being used is to see if you can stream 4K content from Netflix.
     
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    I'm able to stream 4k from Netflix. My card is a gtx 1080ti, latest driver and the ports have been updated to the latest v1. 4.
     
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  16. Armenius

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    Very interesting. I wonder if Philips updated the DisplayPort before the displays were distributed and no one told anybody.
     
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    I'll admit I was disappointed when it was first announced that it would have DP 1.2, especially since its main feature is HDR for HDCP 2.2 content. Offering DP 1.4 would make better sense, because otherwise users are limited to using HDMI. Perhaps Philips realized last minute that DP 1.4 was more appropriate.
     
  18. Armenius

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    Regardless, I think the static dithering is a deal breaker.
     
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    A little update. As mentioned a little back I wrote to Philips and asked them on 436M6VBPAB/00 vs. 436M6VBPAB/01 since they list both on the website, with only difference I can see being the later marked as "New" ie. a newer version of the monitor one would guess.
    Disappointingly so far no reply from Philips customer service and it has been a little over a week since I mailed them.

    As for taking the plunge I am still on the fence and have decided to wait for at least a couple more reviews before possibly commuting.

    I was looking into local pricing here in Denmark and while searching I came across a guy selling a 436M6VBPAB only used for a day and doing so at a 25% or so mark down. Tempting only he indicated his motivation for selling was that text was too blurry on the screen for pro use, so something to consider when an actual buyer does so. (also slightly odd was that the guy didn't just return the monitor for a full refund, since per regulation in the EU one is entitled to do so if done within 2 weeks).

    And slightly OT: I have been using the BDM4065UC since it came on the market so being used to a 40"(39.5") I have been wondering if going to 43"(42.5") would really feel any different. Now I know as at work I just swapped one of the 27" 1440p monitors on my desk for a 43", so easy to compare with my 40"+27" setup here at home. I gotta say the 43" certainly feels a good deal larger than my 40", so another thing to consider.
    For work the 43" seems fine, but I wonder if perhaps for FPS gaming going 43" is perhaps a step to far (which can be dealt with by sitting a bit longer back).

    PS. The 43" at work is a Acer ET430K which was fine out of the box - the only adjustment I made was turning brightness down a bit. It's an IPS panel and all seems good - no idea on how it is for gaming though as work is all text, graphs and such.
     
  20. Armenius

    Armenius I Drive Myself to the [H]ospital

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    Just say fuck it and get a X900F. The 49" is the same price as this.
     
  21. BlindZenDriver

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    A 49" would mean to low a DPI. It may be fine for gaming in some situations, but would be a bad solution for desktop use.

    49" is 90 DPI, that is bigger pixels than a old 24" 1080p. The 43" is like 104 DPI so while not stellar still better
     
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    sit back farther to increase dpi
     
  23. JUNEK9

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    The mini displayport of the Philips 436M6VBPAB also appears to be v1.4 as well by the way. I've only seen one or two review sites actually mention the fact it's v1.4 rather than v1.2. Which is pretty awful marketing considering a lot of people are gonna skip the monitor because of the displayport version.
     
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    It's interesting you've found this, because here in the UK this is still not a widely available monitor - most are European imports. So I do wonder if the /00 is like a "trial" model and the /01 is the eventual model that will be widely distributed. If they've solved the dithering issue with a newer model, then great - the dithering as noted in the pcmonitors.info review would kill this monitor for me. I will be watching for more news and updates on this screen.

    The other thing that makes me wonder if the /00 is quite a different beast is this spec sheet on the /01 from Philips themselves. It states that the monitor can be used "whether at office or at home" and talks a lot about being used as a PC monitor. It's unlikely that a static dithering screen would be advertised as a monitor like this.
     
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  25. BlindZenDriver

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    Hard to say. As mentioned on the Danish site the 00 and 01 are described identically and that goes for the sales pitch, specs, pictures and all. It used to be that the 01 was marked as a new product, but that marking is gone now and my guess it is simply some automatic thing on the site removed after a certain time. Literately the only difference that is now to be found is that one is the '/00' and the other is '/01'.

    I must say I am disappointed that Philips hasn't gotten back to me as I wrote the customer service and asked them to clarify the difference. That doesn't seem like a good sign should one perhaps have an issue with a monitor.

    Btw. Just for kicks I altered the URL for the Philips site describing the monitor. As the URL is identical for the two versions except the 00/01 part I changed it to see if there was perhaps a 02 also, but I did not find one.
     
  26. BlindZenDriver

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    Another review is in:
    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/philips_436m6vbpab.htm

    It pretty much confirms what we have learned from other reviews. The monitor is good for gaming and has issues when it comes to displaying text and static images.

    I guess I shall be looking for something else to replace my BDM4065UC or maybe I should just hold out for Philips to bring a Mark II that fixes the issues(and maybe also does HDR with way more zones and better light uniformity). Damn.
     
  27. Armenius

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    Wow, that is excellent input lag and response time for a VA. Philips could have had a winner here if it were not for the static dithering.
     
  28. gan7114

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    Updated with a link to TFT Central.

    Those calibration results were impressive, especially the contrast. I'm curious just how much the static dithering is noticeable after doing some tweaking in Windows. I also use a 36" deep office desk at home, so I'm wondering if at that distance (wall mounted) the effect is mostly diminished. I'm hoping one of my local electronics stores will have this on display so I can see for myself.

    That's really the only sticking point. If Philips went with a RGB instead of a BGR pixel layout, this would be an instant sell for me.
     
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  29. CrazyRob

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    Has anyone seen any updated testing to see if gsync compatible mode works with this monitor? My google searches haven't turned up anything.