Philips BDM4350UC 43 inch 4K IPS PWM-free monitor

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Yeah I thought this was for sure going to be my next monitor. What a huge disappointment.

Apparently there are no companies out there that give a real fukk in regards to these types of larger monitors. It's more often than not a 'miss' because of the cost of components. At the end of the day, they could have made this a fantastic buy by probably spending a few more dollars per unit on a better panel.

What a wasted opportunity.
 

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I recall Dell shipped some BGR monitors, which made Mac people unhappy.

I'm more disturbed by the dropped frames. Is it common for TV panels to do that? Why?
 

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If I am not mistaken, BGR in Windows is only a problem when using multiple monitors. A mix of RGB and BGR.. When using a single monitor, it doesn't make any difference whether it's RGB or BGR. The picture and text quality should be the same.

And since hardly anyone will use this monitor in combination with RGB monitor, I don't see a problem here... At least not for Windows users.

Right?
 

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Yeah I thought this was for sure going to be my next monitor. What a huge disappointment.

Apparently there are no companies out there that give a real fukk in regards to these types of larger monitors. It's more often than not a 'miss' because of the cost of components. At the end of the day, they could have made this a fantastic buy by probably spending a few more dollars per unit on a better panel.

What a wasted opportunity.
What disappointed you specifically about this monitor? Just curious.
 

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Wide gamut and no sRGB emulation mode at hardware level??? Why? What is the target group of this monitor because out side color managed applications all colors are going to look, well : wrong.
 
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Wide gamut and no sRGB emulation mode at hardware level??? Why? What is the target group of this monitor because out side color managed applications all colors are going to look, well : wrong.
Yeah I thought this was for sure going to be my next monitor. What a huge disappointment.

Apparently there are no companies out there that give a real fukk in regards to these types of larger monitors. It's more often than not a 'miss' because of the cost of components. At the end of the day, they could have made this a fantastic buy by probably spending a few more dollars per unit on a better panel.

What a wasted opportunity.

Great comments - it's ridiculous really.

We have a monitor that can't be used as a monitor as in many cases it suffers from burn in - biggest total WTF of them all. What were they thinking?
We have next to no colour management.
Crappy uniformity.
No Free/GSync
No QC
HDCP? TBC

But has better than average input lag. One thing to be commended on.

So in summary, it can't be used by financial market because burn in (voids warranty - take your chance).
Can't be used for productivity because burn in.
Can't be used for colour sensitive applications because of burn in and lack of support/poor uniformity.
No Sync - gaming is only as good as your card(s)/framecap. Even a 1080 is struggling at 4k considering 110fps dips in doom4 1080p.

The 4k market is currently a big steaming load of shit.
 
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I am testing readability of text at 1920 X 1080p with a 15.6" laptop screen which comes up at 146ppi. Placed on my desk at 60-70cm viewing distance I am fine with it without scaling.

Now the reason I am doing it is because I am almost ready to buy the ASUS PA329Q 32" which comes at roughly the same ppi.

Honestly, it would be great to be able to get a 40" or even 37" professional 4K monitor right now and be 100% sure that no scaling is needed. However, there is nothing like this available right now but I as I said earlier I need something serious to be able to work with and all those korean panels that come at big sizes might be ok for gaming or media consumption but not for professional work.

There should be serious 4K monitors at the 37-40" range and even more options at lesser resolutions at smaller sizes (i.e. good choices at the 2560X1600 and even other 16:10 ranges) instead of the crap that prevails in the product ranges right now.

Gaming and professionals (workstations) are the only interesting PC hardware markets left anymore for manufacturers and they keep trying their best to even fuck those up even further. Then they might be wondering why PC sales keep falling. Damn you idiots.


I would say that not only the 4K market but the whole PC Display Market is currently "a big steaming load of shit".
 
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JargonGT,

indeed! i'd kill for a fully sick 16:10 4k around 40" with decent input lag. no limitations on the number of inputs that can use PiP/PBP and with DP1.4 etc. even at double the cost of these things.. reasonably priced quality trumps crap. monitors last 5 years easy so its a decent investment if only the manufacturers would stop catering to the lowest common denominator or the silver spoon family from Black Gold land!

i guess i'll be sitting tight on this 3014 for another year (or two at this rate).
 
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JargonGT,

indeed! i'd kill for a fully sick 16:10 4k around 40" with decent input lag. no limitations on the number of inputs that can use PiP/PBP and with DP1.4 etc. even at double the cost of these things.. reasonably priced quality trumps crap. monitors last 5 years easy so its a decent investment if only the manufacturers would stop catering to the lowest common denominator or the silver spoon family from Black Gold land!

i guess i'll be sitting tight on this 3014 for another year (or two at this rate).

Well you better start saving up - If the price follows the trend will they be around 1500-2000£ for a "descent" monitor next year.
 

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Wide gamut and no sRGB emulation mode at hardware level??? Why? What is the target group of this monitor because out side color managed applications all colors are going to look, well : wrong.

It's no wide gamut, that is a mistake by the reviewer. Looks like the colour section still has part of the text from the Philips 276E6ADSS review.
The 43'' corresponds closely to sRGB, with some minor under and over-coverage.

It's hard to tell from the small picture but it looks like it might use the S-IPS matrix (arrow shaped subpixel). They still turn up frequently in TV panels.
Same as the BGR layout. It's not a problem on Windows after running ClearType. But why are so many TV panels BGR layout? Is it better for movies or what?
Its basically subpixel upside down. If you mount the panel upside down and then flip the image you should get RGB layout again.

Other than the frameskipping issue it does perform rather solidly. But a dropped frame even when it only happens every ~2.5 seconds, is simply unacceptable, does not matter how euphemistic the review is about it.
 

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I got this monitor a week ago (Pre-ordered on Amazon as soon as I found it, held off canceling several times thanks to Lender's comments) and just wanted to chime in that I have also had no burn-in issues. (My model number ends in UC, I am curious if the burn in is mainly with the UM model? Perhaps the power supply used in the European units is bad?)
Without any actual testing tools I would say my experience is exactly as reported in the PC Monitors review.
Essentially; I turned off Uniformity almost immediately as it seemed to just wash everything out, I turned off dynamic contrast as it was too dynamic, I switched to Gaming mode (hoping it would help response time) though I am still trying to figure out if Game mode or Off is better for response time.
Subjectively; 2.2 Gamma, Response: Fast, 0% Brightness, 20% Contrast, and 90% Sharpness seemed best to me. (mainly using some static test patterns and the Windows Color Calibration tool)
Initially text was a bit blurry but after running the Clear Type utility (which at least in Windows 10 can be calibrated per display) that is no longer an issue. On that topic I have it flanked by my two older Dell 24" monitors in portrait (U2410 and a 2407WFP) they are within 0.2" in height of each other including the bezels.
Again with Clear Type calibrations per display text is clear across all three displays.
IPS glow is much worse on the 2 older Dell monitors probably due to their matte screens but that goes hand in hand with all the glare on the glossy Philips.
 

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Raguel - Good for you.

I'm from Finland, so I bet I got European or some sort of "Scandinavian" model, it had horrible burn in effect. I've seen one or two Finnish guys with similar issue. I also saw in Youtube, that Dutch and Swedish guys had the same burn in issue.

That PC monitors guy didn't put a word in actual article, only mentions burn in (or lack of it in his unit) in OSD video he made - it just bothers me it's not in the article, I bet people can decide if they will buy a monitor that potentially has some defect more likely than on average... anyway, seems like you guys in US got the better units, based on comments :)
 

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Raguel - Good for you.

I'm from Finland, so I bet I got European or some sort of "Scandinavian" model, it had horrible burn in effect. I've seen one or two Finnish guys with similar issue. I also saw in Youtube, that Dutch and Swedish guys had the same burn in issue.

That PC monitors guy didn't put a word in actual article, only mentions burn in (or lack of it in his unit) in OSD video he made - it just bothers me it's not in the article, I bet people can decide if they will buy a monitor that potentially has some defect more likely than on average... anyway, seems like you guys in US got the better units, based on comments :)
That's interesting, because all 3 reviewers on the Amazon reviews said they did not have any burn in issues. So maybe it is a regional thing like you said.
 

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Raguel - I'm from europe, and I recieved the UC verisons. Both had burn-in and artifact issues.
 
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What makes that so much better as a PC monitor? It doesn't even have any DisplayPorts?

With the active HDMI2-->DP1.2 adapters now available, lack of DP is no longer a big issue. Also, if you have a GPU that supports 4k@60Hz w/ 4:4:4 chroma, then you already have a HDMI2.0 port, so you don't need DP.

However, the 4:4:4 chroma on the 2016 Vizio P series is current bugged. The TV downsamples it to 4:2:2 because of a software bug that will be fixed soon.
 

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I got this monitor a week ago (Pre-ordered on Amazon as soon as I found it, held off canceling several times thanks to Lender's comments) and just wanted to chime in that I have also had no burn-in issues. (My model number ends in UC, I am curious if the burn in is mainly with the UM model? Perhaps the power supply used in the European units is bad?)
Without any actual testing tools I would say my experience is exactly as reported in the PC Monitors review.
Essentially; I turned off Uniformity almost immediately as it seemed to just wash everything out, I turned off dynamic contrast as it was too dynamic, I switched to Gaming mode (hoping it would help response time) though I am still trying to figure out if Game mode or Off is better for response time.
Subjectively; 2.2 Gamma, Response: Fast, 0% Brightness, 20% Contrast, and 90% Sharpness seemed best to me. (mainly using some static test patterns and the Windows Color Calibration tool)
Initially text was a bit blurry but after running the Clear Type utility (which at least in Windows 10 can be calibrated per display) that is no longer an issue. On that topic I have it flanked by my two older Dell 24" monitors in portrait (U2410 and a 2407WFP) they are within 0.2" in height of each other including the bezels.
Again with Clear Type calibrations per display text is clear across all three displays.
IPS glow is much worse on the 2 older Dell monitors probably due to their matte screens but that goes hand in hand with all the glare on the glossy Philips.


Pretty sure the 2407 is an S-PVA screen as are all 3 of my 2407's. Not sure about the U2410 though. The IPS glow on the phillips must be really low then, if you see glow from the Dell's.
 

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With the active HDMI2-->DP1.2 adapters now available, lack of DP is no longer a big issue. Also, if you have a GPU that supports 4k@60Hz w/ 4:4:4 chroma, then you already have a HDMI2.0 port, so you don't need DP.
But what are the advantages of the Vizio?

Pretty sure the 2407 is an S-PVA screen as are all 3 of my 2407's. Not sure about the U2410 though. The IPS glow on the phillips must be really low then, if you see glow from the Dell's.
The U2410 is IPS. I've had 3 of them in portrait mode for a while.
 

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But what are the advantages of the Vizio?

As a monitor, I'm not exactly sure. But as a TV, it has multiple: HDR10/DV support, WCG, VA panel (except for 55"), 1080p@120Hz (on 55"+ sizes), and a built-in Google Chromecast.

But for a $1000, it's close to the price of these monitors, so from a value perspective, it might make more sense to buy something that is an excellent TV and a good monitor.
 

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Poor contrast, screen uniformity issues, relatively high input lag all for a 43 inch TV that costs $900. Spend the extra couple bucks and get the Vizio P50-C1

VIZIO - 50" Class (49.51" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD Home Theater Display with High Dynamic Range - Black

People like me are looking for a monitor and not a TV. 50" is WAY to large for a monitor imo and has a much worse ppi. If I even considered something this large I would be looking at the LG OLED55E6P or similar.

The Philips may not be a perfect monitor but it is a much better option as a monitor than that VIZIO. I don't even know why this was suggested. Only the Dell or maybe Wasabi Mango could be viable.

As a monitor, I'm not exactly sure. But as a TV, it has multiple: HDR10/DV support, WCG, VA panel (except for 55"), 1080p@120Hz (on 55"+ sizes), and a built-in Google Chromecast.

But for a $1000, it's close to the price of these monitors, so from a value perspective, it might make more sense to buy something that is an excellent TV and a good monitor.

I already have a TV, why would I want to buy a monitor that is worse just so I have another TV? Think you nailed it with your first sentence.

Finally, I think there must be two camps of people, those that like VA and those that don't. VA has no benefits for me in either monitor or TV form. I can't stand them and will never buy them as long as IPS and OLED exist. Please stop listing VA panels as an "advantage".
 

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Hi again,

I'd be interested to know, has anyone gotten a monitor without burn in problem in Europe?

If so, it would be also interesting to know, which country you bought the display from, which dealer, and display manufacturing date...

This one I got had horrible burn in (already posted this a week ago here):
https://db.tt/bQHT9k2Y
 
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Ouch. Sounds like they just took a TV panel and stuck it in a monitor. No wonder this one has so many issues.
Why are you saying ouch?

Review score is 86%, sounds pretty good to me.

Sure it has a few flaws which supposedly don't affect it too much... namely that frameskipping every 2.5 sec, which they claim won't be noticeable to the user

Plus this monitor is extremely cheap in my country (NZ) compared to other 4k offerings.

Only reason I'm not buying it is because it's glossy. I can't stand reflections
 

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People like me are looking for a monitor and not a TV. 50" is WAY to large for a monitor imo and has a much worse ppi. If I even considered something this large I would be looking at the LG OLED55E6P or similar.

The Philips may not be a perfect monitor but it is a much better option as a monitor than that VIZIO. I don't even know why this was suggested. Only the Dell or maybe Wasabi Mango could be viable.

I already have a TV, why would I want to buy a monitor that is worse just so I have another TV? Think you nailed it with your first sentence.

Finally, I think there must be two camps of people, those that like VA and those that don't. VA has no benefits for me in either monitor or TV form. I can't stand them and will never buy them as long as IPS and OLED exist. Please stop listing VA panels as an "advantage".
Agreed. It really depends on what you want to use it for. For me, it'll be strictly as a monitor. I work from home often, and need a large screen for multiple windows. When I'm not working, I mainly browse the web and play the occasional game. Seems like this screen will do just fine for my purpose. My only reservation is that for my work, I'll be working in an OS X environment with a lot of text, and I read that the font smoothing in OS X has some issues with BGR subpixel layout.

Hi again,

I'd be interested to know, has anyone gotten a monitor without burn in problem in Europe?

If so, it would be also interesting to know, which country you bought the display from, which dealer, and display manufacturing date...

This one I got had horrible burn in (already posted this a week ago here):
https://db.tt/bQHT9k2Y
I know it's not exactly what you asked, but I'm in the US and I just received a shipment notification email from Amazon. It should be here on Wednesday. I'll post my feedback here after I receive it.
 
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My only reservation is that for my work, I'll be working in an OS X environment with a lot of text, and I read that the font smoothing in OS X has some issues with BGR subpixel layout..

From what I have read, you can flip the screen 180 deg and tell OSX to flip 180 deg to get RGB pixel orientation. Sounds strange but if you have a VESA mount like I do this would be a simple solution really. With Windows this is obviously a non-issue.

Good luck and hope you, like me, don't have the issues others have reported.
 

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Why are you saying ouch?

Review score is 86%, sounds pretty good to me.

Sure it has a few flaws which supposedly don't affect it too much... namely that frameskipping every 2.5 sec, which they claim won't be noticeable to the user

Plus this monitor is extremely cheap in my country (NZ) compared to other 4k offerings.

Only reason I'm not buying it is because it's glossy. I can't stand reflections

Yeah and that burn-in is SO fucking awesome looking at !
sarcasm!
 

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From what I have read, you can flip the screen 180 deg and tell OSX to flip 180 deg to get RGB pixel orientation. Sounds strange but if you have a VESA mount like I do this would be a simple solution really. With Windows this is obviously a non-issue.
Yes, but that flips the OSD and the small Philips logo upside down :p I've also read a recommendation about turning off font smoothing.

Come to think of it, it may not actually be an issue. Most of my development work is done in VNC on a remote Linux host, which means OSX's font smoothing won't affect it anyways.

Good luck and hope you, like me, don't have the issues others have reported.
Thanks. So far it seems like most (all?) US units are fine. Have we had anyone in the US with issues?
 

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Yes, but that flips the OSD and the small Philips logo upside down :p

Unless you are making adjustments all the time, the OSD being upside down shouldn't make a big difference. And the Philips logo comes off super easy with just two phillips screws.

Yeah and that burn-in is SO fucking awesome looking at !
sarcasm!

Because all of these Philips monitors have burn-in! sarcasm!
 

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Any further information or just a vague confirmation?
It was a follow up on my case with the Danish Philips customer service.
They explained that they did not have a direct fix, but offered exchange.
Although had to deny - as I have already returned both my monitors for a full refund.

But no - he was fairly quick and could not give more information.
 

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Bad news. My screen is starting to show some burn in. Screen will be going back. Disappointing.
 

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Bad news. My screen is starting to show some burn in. Screen will be going back. Disappointing.

Lol, considering your earlier post. That sucks, man. Hopefully Philips will get the issues ironed out. I know you were very vocal about liking this monitor and you made your thoughts clear about using TVs but I've been very very happy with the 2015 Samsungs that I've used. To each his own!

Where will you go from here? Crossover 434K? Wasabi Mango UHD430 (which is getting great reviews on Newegg and does in fact appear to use the LG 43" panel)? Far cheaper than the Dell 4K.
 

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Today was my first day back after being out of town and I was working on it like usual. Avast wanted to update and then restart so I did. When the big blue restart screen came up I noticed my desktop icons faintly show on the left side along with the browser window I had been looking at. It was faint but I could see it. This means that it will continue and most likely get worse over time. This is not acceptable and I have to return it.

I really like this monitor and am quite disappointed that I have to return it. If it wasn't for the burn in, I would be keeping it. Burn in is not acceptable on a monitor and I can not overlook it. Also, I will not be getting an exchange since many are having the burn in issue, my burn in was not present in the beginning but now is showing, and I can't be guaranteed that it or any other replacement will be fixed and not be permanent.

The next step is finding another monitor. I'm still waiting for someone with the Dell to give us a report. The Dell is still on my list of potentials. I'm not sure I want one of the Korean monitors (Crossover/Wasabi Mango/etc.). I have been considering a 21:9 but many of them are having quality control issues also (PG348Q, Predator X34). I would prefer a ~40" 4k though so I'm stuck right now with what route I will end up going.
 
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Yeah and that burn-in is SO fucking awesome looking at !
sarcasm!
It's not like any other monitor on the market is perfect. Everyone's returning monitors with too high backlight bleed or ips glow or whatever the problem is.
If you've got burn in, surely you can just exchange it.

It also seems like the burn in might be with just the European versions?

As others have said above, the whole pc monitor market is pretty trashy atm, so it's more like picking the lesser of your evils and exchanging monitors until you get on that doesn't bother you too much lol :(
 
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