Philips BDM4065UC - 40" 4K 60Hz monitor thread

Not quite. It happens on single GPU from Nvidia as well. It's a design bug w/ Display port or display port interfacing w/ Nvidia driver. I have that bug on my PC on occasion
 
That's what I was informed as well, but I haven't had it happen in practice. One important point to note, however, is that nvidia cards usually aren't able to resume displayport monitors - so if the PC is booted without the monitor switched on, switching the monitor on after reaching windows will do nothing, you will need to reboot the PC using remote desktop or the reset switch to get a picture. AMD seemed to suffer that particular far less often. That's nothing new however, as an old monitor of mine (Dell 3008WFP) also had that same issue due to a bug in its firmware, even over the DVI ports :p
 
tyrone747 said:
One small issue I've found is that Displayport doesn't seem to become active until Windows is loaded. Before entering Windows the monitor doesn't not detect any input. Not sure if that's my GPU (GTX 980 SLI) or the monitor's fault. That means if you want to enter your motherboard's bios you'll need to dig out an HDMI cable and connect it with that. Not a huge deal since I already have my CPU and memory overclocked and stable so I won't need to enter the bios again.
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I must be a thing with your GPU or maybe it something common for many GPU's, but with my 7970 there is no problem seeing the BIOS. Maybe there is a firmware upgrade for your card that can fix it.
 
My GTX970 had no issue seeing it in the BIOS, again provided that the monitor was powered up before the PC entered the BIOS. Perhaps it varies by brand though :confused:
 
Playing GTA 5 at 4k and Very High settings with 3-way sli.
Jitters a bit in certain areas.

Dropping to High settings is very smooth anywhere on the map.

Looks good on the monitor. This monitor is great for games and 4k videos.
 
Agreed. GTA V looks amazing at 4K on this display. The colors and size are fantastic. I've got it maxed except for no MSAA and Grass on High. Almost constant 60 fps with occasionally a dip to 50-55.
 
tyrone747 said:
Agreed. GTA V looks amazing at 4K on this display. The colors and size are fantastic. I've got it maxed except for no MSAA and Grass on High. Almost constant 60 fps with occasionally a dip to 50-55.
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Arrrgh! I so want to get in on GTA V, but trying to be patient and hold out upgrading my 7970 until the DX12 hardware starts coming (which should be in 2-3 months time).

A bit to my surprise I have found Farcry 4 to run decently in 4K as long as there is not crazy much going on at once - trouble is that while very pretty and all Farcry 4 was over to quickly (to easy in many ways).

Ignoring frame rate issues due to my old GPU to me the Philips is the best gaming screen I have ever seen on a desk. Love it :cool:
 
Any of you guys have PWM flicker complaints with this display? I'm returning 2 Samsung 40s because I cannot take the 120hz flicker. One person (Seinfeld) has had an issue with the 240hz Phillips. Anybody else?
 
Brahmzy said:
Any of you guys have PWM flicker complaints with this display? I'm returning 2 Samsung 40s because I cannot take the 120hz flicker. One person (Seinfeld) has had an issue with the 240hz Phillips. Anybody else?
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The issues Seinfeld had with this monitor were unrelated to the pwm as far as I know.
You had 1 user that got headaches, but it was unrelated to the pwm since he used the monitor at 100% brightness, and the monitor has no pwm at 100% brightness.

So nop, there are no reported issues on this forum relating to the pwm.
 
Micael said:
The issues Seinfeld had with this monitor were unrelated to the pwm as far as I know.
You had 1 user that got headaches, but it was unrelated to the pwm since he used the monitor at 100% brightness, and the monitor has no pwm at 100% brightness.

So nop, there are no reported issues on this forum relating to the pwm.
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Not correct, the issues were PWM (fatigue/headache) and color distortion.

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Seinfeld said:
Not correct, the issues were PWM (fatigue/headache) and color distortion.
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My bad then, I even went back to see if I just had skipped it, but never saw any post mentioning that you got headaches from using this monitor.
 
Apparantly the new samsung 4K JU series TVs can do 4:4:4 in game mode with the latest firmwire. Would that look better than the Philips for gaming?
 
Micael said:
My bad then, I even went back to see if I just had skipped it, but never saw any post mentioning that you got headaches from using this monitor.
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Seinfeld said:
You better wait, there will be more monitors announced in the upcoming weeks.
I used only Benq BL3201PT the last 8 days and tonight I wanted to give Philips another try but I had to go back to Benq after 40 min, it's much better for the eyes/head then Philips. I feel like Philips gives me headache and more eyestrain, probably due to the PWM.
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I think I did write it once :p
 
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Oh ok it was 5 months ago, that explains why I didn't see it when I looked a bit back, I assume you didn't try it at 100% brightness just to confirm if it was PWM or something else with the monitor (not that it would be a real option either way)?

shadow85 said:
Apparantly the new samsung 4K JU series TVs can do 4:4:4 in game mode with the latest firmwire. Would that look better than the Philips for gaming?
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You are more likely to get that answer on the topic relating to the samsung TV, btw I'm under the impression it has PWM at 120hz (not sure haven't followed the topic), so if you're sensitive to PWM, it's something to be aware, that being said you can easily test the TV, unlike the philips it has wide availability, so you can get it an try it, if it doesn't suit your needs you can always return it.
 
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I haven't played with any settings yet. What's the best way to set this up as a gaming monitor? Currently at the factory defaults except switching to DP 1.2 (6500k).
 
This monitor is NOT a professional display, so flaws come with the territory.

Flaws are minor. I reckon a firmware would fix most of them.
 
Happy Hopping said:
are you not happy w/ that purple line? It's hardly noticeable
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Purple line? It's a light yellow line that is as wide as the Window and goes all the way up to the top of the screen, and it is noticeable. It happened on all Windows. Something I haven't experienced on any other display.
 
I'm not talking about the yellow line on the FIRST photo. I am wondering what is wrong w/ the 2nd photo, as there is no yellow line on the 2nd photo
 
That's because it isn't always a yellow line, even that line isn't really yellow, basically it's a problem that you get when there is contrasting colors side by side, there is a color distortion affecting the darker color (I believe it's always the darker), for example I get it on steam chat window, sometimes that "yellow" color of the first picture shows up a bit, it's not super noticeable for me, or distracting, but it's there.
In the case of the purple picture, you can see a "line" going from the left side of the window up, and if you notice it, the right side of that "line" is a different tone of purple than the left side.
The place where this is most obvious is in photoshop, when one opens a new white image it contrasts with the black background and creates that effect, haven't really noticed the effect on photoshop when opening existing images like game textures, and images of game props and similar stuff, and I have definitely not noticed it while playing games or watching videos, not because it never shows up, I'm sure it does, is just that since the images are constantly changing I don't notice it (I'm sure if I went searching for it I would).

Anyway it's definitely a problem that exists, and can come up under certain circumstances, how much will bother/affect someone is going to depend heavily on the person and what they are using the monitor for.
 
Micael said:
.......... Anyway it's definitely a problem that exists, and can come up under certain circumstances .......
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But the thing is that I saw this on the desktop every day, not just in certain circumstances.

It was not there constantly, it would show up after the display has been on for certain amount of time and then it would disappear for a while when the display has been off for several hours, but would then re-appear. It's like it shows up when the display has warmed up and then disappears when the display has cooled down, and then comes back when it warmed up again.

I saw it on every window on the desktop, so if I had 10 windows open it would show on all of them. And it was only showing above a window and not below or to the sides. And like I said, I never seen such thing on another display before or after the Philips.

And it was light yellow color, looks a bit like it's white but it was definitely yellowish.
 
Man there is all these awsome new displays coming out, 144Hz IPS g-sync panels, curved 35" 3.5K AH-IPS panels, etc etc. But none of them are near 40", and after using the Philips 40" @ 4K I don't feel like trading to a smaller screen even though all these other superior panels are coming out.

I almost feel like the 40" ruined my taste for other monitor sizes.
 
I would be extremely surprised if there wasn't a gsync 40" coming in 1 year or two, considering how popular the philips has been, and that it isn't part of the panel, but of the electronics which are changed when going from TV to monitor.
The 144hz might take a bit longer to come around, not only due to the interface related issues that come with it, but also because it's manly a PC thing, so while not impossible it seems right now somewhat unlikely to get a 40" TV panel with it, also if it does come around it's going to be crazy god damn expensive (both in graphical power and cost of monitor), which is a great part of the appeal of monitors like this philips, they are a lot cheaper (when looking at RRP) than other monitors that are closer to this size, while keeping similar quality (panel technology differences aside).

Seinfeld said:
But the thing is that I saw this on the desktop every day, not just in certain circumstances.

It was not there constantly, it would show up after the display has been on for certain amount of time and then it would disappear for a while when the display has been off for several hours, but would then re-appear. It's like it shows up when the display has warmed up and then disappears when the display has cooled down, and then comes back when it warmed up again.

I saw it on every window on the desktop, so if I had 10 windows open it would show on all of them. And it was only showing above a window and not below or to the sides. And like I said, I never seen such thing on another display before or after the Philips.

And it was light yellow color, looks a bit like it's white but it was definitely yellowish.
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I get it on more than just the top, for me if I replicate the conditions of the purple background image, it's on the top, and on the bottom left and bottom right corners from the window, although the bottom left and right are significantly dimmer.
It's also a lot more noticeable with high brightness, with 100% brightness for example it's quite noticeable, with a brightness in the 30's is something that could easily go unnoticed if someone wasn't looking for it.

Anyway with my usage scenario I really only notice it when I open a new photoshop file, and even then I could just change it to the black background and it would go away, or sometimes on the steam chat window, which is always there to some degree, but it's extremely rare for me to notice it.

A good part of why I don't notice it on windows is also due to the way I use them, for starters I don't have a solid color background, the backgrounds I have used so far have all been diverse enough in tone that if the problem is there, I don't notice it, also I generally don't position windows in the same way as that screenshot, I have 3 ways I use windows with this monitor, all of them funny enough end up diminishing the problem, the first one is that I have the monitor "divided" in 4, and I prioritize from top left to bottom right, so when I have a window at one of the bottom corners I already have a window at the top of them, then sometimes I use the entire left or right side, or ofc I use the entire screen.
So in my case the problem needs to be inside the windows themselves, like for example the steam chat window, or photoshop when opening a new document.

Happy Hopping said:
Look, most of us doesn't use photoshop, so this is not really an issue for most people
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It's not only present in photoshop, and the example I gave wouldn't even affect people using photoshop since the areas that get discolored aren't the areas people are working on, so it would make no difference. It's an overall problem relating to contrasting colors, for me (or at least in my panel), it's a very minor issue, one that I only spot in certain very special circumstances and definitely not during media consumption usage.
 
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Micael said:
It's not only present in photoshop, and the example I gave wouldn't even affect people using photoshop since the areas that get discolored aren't the areas people are working on, so it would make no difference. It's an overall problem relating to contrasting colors, for me (or at least in my panel), it's a very minor issue, one that I only spot in certain very special circumstances and definitely not during media consumption usage.
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I totally agree in both it being a general issue, but also in it being a minor one. In fact I doubt most people will ever notice it unless they really look for issues and then only if they create the circumstances for it to be seen.

Ideally a monitor should of course be perfect, but as I have mentioned back in the thread I haven't seen that since back in the day with my Sony GDM-F520 (and some will say it's $2,500 price tag was a major issue). As it is I am happy with the Philips since the issue is really of no consequence and using it has been nothing but a joy + the thing is cheap for what you get.

I look forward to more offerings in the 40" 4K monitor world and as it it for now the 4 possible contenders would be nice to see in a group test. My guess is the Philips would come out on top with perhaps the Samsung a close second and the two others more in a 'also ran' category, so maybe just a Philips vs. Samsung would really matter.

Interesting would also be a 40" 16:9 vs a 34" 21:9, but since one can really make the Philips do the 21:9 thing by simply having a black bar above and below the picture that contest is perhaps not much of a contest. Anyone having had a chance to compare the two types of monitors hands on?
 
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Happy Hopping said:
I want to buy this for the longest time, but what happens if it's damage? It says you pay shipping return to korea
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JTB3 said:
eBay price drop on Philips BDM4065UC to $819 (Or Best Offer) for USA Buyers...
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With no official USA Amazon option yet, the eBay deal from Korea is getting even sweeter...
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You are covered with eBay buyer protection for 45 days in the case of receiving a defective item. eBay policy states that seller pays for return shipping in the case of a defective item or item not as described. If the package arrives damaged, simply refuse delivery as this is the fault of the shipping company, but the seller will have to resolve it with them (and again you are covered by eBay buyer protection). Purchase a 3-yr square trade warranty for after the 45 day period and you are pretty much totally covered. See my earlier post on how I purchased mine < http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041516130&postcount=2282 >. It was one of the easiest purchasing experiences I've had, and it arrived in only 3 days to California in perfect working order! I also stipulated that the seller fully test the monitor before shipping...
 
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Seinfeld said:
But the thing is that I saw this on the desktop every day, not just in certain circumstances.

It was not there constantly, it would show up after the display has been on for certain amount of time and then it would disappear for a while when the display has been off for several hours, but would then re-appear. It's like it shows up when the display has warmed up and then disappears when the display has cooled down, and then comes back when it warmed up again.

I saw it on every window on the desktop, so if I had 10 windows open it would show on all of them. And it was only showing above a window and not below or to the sides. And like I said, I never seen such thing on another display before or after the Philips.

And it was light yellow color, looks a bit like it's white but it was definitely yellowish.
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can you circle that photo? Because I see yellow on the cmd. prompt screen. But there is nothing really wrong (no yellow) on the 2nd photo
 
Micael said:
Anyway with my usage scenario I really only notice it when I open a new photoshop file, and even then I could just change it to the black background and it would go away, or sometimes on the steam chat window, which is always there to some degree, but it's extremely rare for me to notice it.
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but photoshop uses 10 bit color, the rest of the s/w uses 8 bit. Could that be the reason?
 
Nop, for starters you need the necessary graphical hardware to run at 10 bits, also as I said it's a problem that shows up on more than photoshop, if I used a dark grey image as my background and a white image in the middle I would be seeing the same thing, it's pure an simply a general problem of this monitor, a very small one (for me anyway), and one that only shows up in certain circumstances, but it definitely exists.
 
Happy Hopping said:
The lowest price is only $600, the rest is shipping. What do you expect for $600?
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I fail to see where I was complaining about the problem, or even the quality of the monitor (if I was displeased I would have returned it to amazon), you asked for clarification regarding the contrast color issue, and me and other users explained it.
 
Micael said:
I fail to see where I was complaining about the problem, or even the quality of the monitor (if I was displeased I would have returned it to amazon), you asked for clarification regarding the contrast color issue, and me and other users explained it.
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I'm with you on that. I thought the whole point of this forum was to dive deeply into products from a enthusiast/performance perspective and get every nasty little technical detail and shortcoming figured out, push them to their limits to be sure of what we can expect from them and enjoy it the whole way through.

Pull no punches regardless of "what we should expect given the price point".

Mine is showing up today from Korea, if there's a problem you all are going to hear about it. hell, I'll also post if everything is hunky dory.
 
This monitor has the same DPI like a 27 inch 1440p one, 110 ppi / 108 ppi
In this case, both are nearly the same, regarding the font size, GUI, etc ?
Thank you
 
Yes, they are almost indistinguishable - however, many 27" 2560x1440 monitors use IPS panels, which are far superior to that used in the Phillips, so bear that in mind. The viewing experience is not quite the same.
 
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