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Maybe. I don't think it's *that* widespread, but we will see. I've done some unofficial testing and so far haven't seen anything like what's been shown in the photos of the Philips in this thread.
Am I going to take the opinion of multiple professionals over a few random people who literally just received their screen? Hmm thats a tough one....
And thats on top of the hundreds of testimonials on here and sites like OCUK.
The only "questionable" aspect is the occasional color shifts, a common bug in VA screens, for example the Samsung S32D850T.
The only advantage is the curve.
Samsung Disadvantages:
PWM is half of the philips (120hz vs 240hz)
Lag in PC mode is double (44ms vs ~20ms)
Contrast is lower (1:3000 vs 1:5000)
4k/60hz only with HDMI 2.0 (Rare)
Full Glossy Screen (Semigloss is preferable)
Avoid displaying still images (such as jpeg picture files), still image elements (such as TV channel logos, stock
or news crawls at the screen bottom etc.), or programs in panorama or 4:3 image format on the screen. If
you constantly display still pictures, it can cause image burn-in on the LED screen and affect image quality. To
reduce the risk of this adverse effect, please follow the recommendations below:
Avoid displaying the same TV channel for long periods.
Always try to display any image in full screen. Use the picture format menu of the TV set for the best
possible match.
Reduce brightness and contrast to avoid the appearance of after-images.
Use all TV features designed to reduce image retention and screen burn. Refer to the e-Manual for details
Screw it. I'll wait for a 40" curved 4k quantum dot TV/monitor. By then, I'll have my 980ti anyway.
Maybe. I don't think it's *that* widespread, but we will see. I've done some unofficial testing and so far haven't seen anything like what's been shown in the photos of the Philips in this thread.
One person posted a picture of the burn in. Maybe they did have a bad panel and maybe it isn't widespread. But any modern LCD that requires a pixel orbiting feature, which was previously reserved for plasma displays, would have me questioning its quality.
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people, I am concern that 1 mth. or so from now, those who jump ship to the samsung will complain about burn in, just like philips users, read p.13 of the manual:
All TVs have this clause/issue.
There's a setting within the TV after 2,4,6,8 hours it auto shuts off to prevent burn in.
Two hour shut off is recommended. After it shuts off you can turn it back on. I can use it as an alert to take a break or something.
The difference is TV vs PC monitor. A PC monitor shouldn't have this issue.
The Phillips and Seiki monitors are stripped down TVs. So you're paying the price of a TV but only getting bare monitor features i.e. Displayport.
Being that the Samsung, Phillips and Seiki sets are TVs at it's core, it obvious Samsung is a better TV overall.
Samsung models seem to have that, no?
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where's the proof that samsung is 4:4:4? I don't see it anywhere
where's the proof that samsung is 4:4:4? I don't see it anywhere
No, not any monitor. I've literally never seen burn-in on any PC monitor dating from about 2003 onwards, it just doesn't happen, I've only ever really seen it on Plasma TVs.PC monitors have had this issue for ages. The technology isn't different between TV and monitor. The only thing is the concessions included for additional PC functionality like USB and DisplayPort. Any monitor will burn-in(
It's fine that you want to ignore what happens after the tech review, but the user experience what determines whether or not you made a good buying decision.
PC monitors have had this issue for ages. The technology isn't different between TV and monitor. The only thing is the concessions included for additional PC functionality like USB and DisplayPort. Any monitor will burn-in.
where's the proof that samsung is 4:4:4? I don't see it anywhere
Thought I may as well link my reply on the OcUK forum to sum up my experiences with this display.
I certainly have no interest in going with another 40" VA panel, so would be looking to get another IPS/PLS display - has anyone here got any experience of the U32D97KQSR?
Burn-in is a TV phenomenon, not a monitor phenomenon, end of story and I'm frankly amazed to see it on the Philips.
No one has even had the Samsungs for one month. If you really believe this then you should wait for the "user experience" when people have actually owned the Samsungs for a decent amount of time instead of the several posts saying how much better it is for people that have owned it for two weeks.
There's very little experience with the Phillips because it's still not officially available in the US.
Thread is finally getting salty from Philips owners under siege, wondering if they jumped the gun way too soon on a display with clear issues.
hasn't been revealed yet...onward and upward.
Not sure if you see me as one of those Philips owners or not, but let me just say that looking from here those "clear issues" does not seem obvious at all. Of course the burn in that one person is reporting has not had time to appear or not appear here as the screen has only been on my desk for two days, but the other issues really seem like non issues to me thus no "wondering" here.Thread is finally getting salty from Philips owners under siege, wondering if they jumped the gun way too soon on a display with clear issues.
Hopefully it continues at a faster rate, Sony's 2015 line, along with a few other big mfgs, hasn't been revealed yet...onward and upward.
LOL - sorry for pointing out the obvious but the world is a lot bigger than just the US
I'm thinking that's why we're seeing supply problems as they work out the apparant manufacturing issues.
It's also possible that people who are having issues are disproportionately represented in the forum. Most people who are happy with a product don't come out to the forums to say "everything works great and I'm having no issues"
burn-in is admittedly the wrong term for it, it's image persistence, but it's pretty bad. I associate image persistence with something that disappears after less than a minute and takes a few hours to accumulate. On this screen it appears fairly quickly and takes several minutes to go away, which makes it behave almost like burn-in, if you need to leave static images on your display regularly, as I do.
There are a fair few people that'd probably think the BDM4065UC is great but to be honest, they have to be the sort of people that don't care much about monitors and I don't think that's the sort of market to which this product caters.
All TVs have this clause/issue.
There's a setting within the TV after 2,4,6,8 hours it auto shuts off to prevent burn in.
Four hour shut off is recommended. After it shuts off you can turn it back on. I can use it as an alert to take a break or something.
The difference is TV vs PC monitor. A PC monitor shouldn't have this issue.
The Phillips and Seiki monitors are stripped down TVs. So you're paying the price of a TV but only getting bare monitor features i.e. Displayport.
Samsung, Phillips and Seiki sets are TVs at it's core. Samsung is a better TV overall.
So you're saying that those which does not agree with you do so because they don't care. Since we are apparently being honest here to me your statement makes you sound pretty arrogant at best and on the same time you are certainly wrong in your assumption.There are a fair few people that'd probably think the BDM4065UC is great but to be honest, they have to be the sort of people that don't care much about monitors and I don't think that's the sort of market to which this product caters.
Hahahaha you are hilarious! So suddenly one of your main arguments becomes invalid, yet only the Philips should be held to that standard eventhough both screens are used as PC monitors
At the end of the day the Philips is cheaper (in germany where i live its 700 vs 1000 samsung), has a better backlight, half the lag, more contrast and has those "bare monitor features" like 2 Displayports, PIP and PBP.
The ones that are, are the ones described as 'salty'.
The power LED is a daft little point, but does have to be considered when weighing up pros and cons, even if only very slightly - I'm fine with my little plushy hedgehog sitting in front to conceal it, even though it shouldn't be necessary Ergonomically speaking, the rear controls are the main bugbear there - that would be less an issue on a smaller screen, but at 40" you have an enormous amount of blank space to feel your way through to try and find the button as it's not near the edge.
I'm not sure I see the 10% markup OcUK applied as being 'absurd'
Sadly though, I know full well putting the UP3214Q back here will result in an 'ahhh, that's better!' feeling - and if you're getting that feeling about your 'old' product, your new product is clearly not for you.
I'll just pray that the R9 300 series doesn't have the same abysmal MST support and see if I can get one of those, then carry on with the UP3214Q until something better comes along.
Here is a little DIY tip for those which find the power diode too bright.
No, not any monitor. I've literally never seen burn-in on any PC monitor dating from about 2003 onwards, it just doesn't happen, I've only ever really seen it on Plasma TVs.
I've spent thousands of hours in front of all of the following, and each one has at some point in its life displayed the same static image for more than 24 hours, and shown not the slightest hint of burn-in afterwards:
Dell Ultrasharp 2407FPW
Dell Ultrasharp 3007WFP
Dell Ultrasharp 3008WFP
Dell UP3214Q
2x Dell U2312HM
Samsung SM2032BW
Not even the cheapo Samsung S19B150 or benQ G950 monitors some of our clients have, have shown any hint of it.
Burn-in is a TV phenomenon, not a monitor phenomenon, end of story and I'm frankly amazed to see it on the Philips.
The only advantage is the curve.
Samsung Disadvantages:
PWM is half of the philips (120hz vs 240hz)
Lag in PC mode is double (44ms vs ~20ms)
Contrast is lower (1:3000 vs 1:5000)
4k/60hz only with HDMI 2.0 (Rare)
Full Glossy Screen (Semigloss is preferable)
So all these hype about samsung is because of the curve screen? I don't care much for that. I am happy it does 4:4:4
but the screen is meant for TV only, so I am quite concern in after 1 mth., people who uses it will complain about burn in
The power LED flashing is annoying, and a trait I hate on all monitors that do it (usually Samsungs) but normally a non-issue as you can just turn the monitor off with a power button on the front - the Philips having one on the rear that you have to hold in for 3 seconds before the monitor powers down, plus the fact that since we're using displayport now, your windows resize to 800x600 if you turn your monitor off, makes having to turn your monitor off with the PC still on a damn nuisance. Again though, covering up the LED 'solves' this.