Philips BDM4065UC - 40" 4K 60Hz monitor thread

Happy Hopping said:
No I won't. Let me re-cap in the history of video monitor:

first we have CRT, which is curved
then sony has trinitron, which is flat, and we like it
then we have LCD, which is also flat
now we are not going to go back to curved, because that's what we hate in the 80's.

You can't use a software where the File or Edit column is Curved and everything else is flat. Likewise, you can't view a photo in which some part is curved and the rest is flat.
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Yes but this is concave and not convex. And I would like to hear from those who have actually seen the curved monitors (which excludes me).
 
Having now owned a Dell U3415W I could see the benefit of having a curve on a display this massive, but AFAIK the only large curved panels (40"+) are TVs and you run the gamut of compromise there. Many don't do 4:4:4 chroma, most don't have DisplayPort, input lag is typically higher, etc. Until there is a 40" curved monitor announced, here we are.
 
imyourzero said:
Having now owned a Dell U3415W I could see the benefit of having a curve on a display this massive, but AFAIK the only large curved panels (40"+) are TVs and you run the gamut of compromise there. Many don't do 4:4:4 chroma, most don't have DisplayPort, input lag is typically higher, etc. Until there is a 40" curved monitor announced, here we are.
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Prospects for curved 40" monitors are quite real now. Samsung has 40" curved UHD TVs in the 2015 lineup suppporting 4:4:4 according to reps. They should appear soon and we will see how they perform, perhaps monitor function is quite OK. But in any case, with the 40" curved panel available it should not take long for Samsung to make genuine monitor.
 
With the eve of fisrt gen Virtual Reality just around the corner: Facebook, Valve, HTC, Google, Sony, Microsoft investing into it heavily ( i mean there is only samsung and apple out of that list ) its going to take a LOT of sales from the already dwindling TV market.

Look at it this way, its do or die for TV manufacturers

1. TV sales of higher end units are on the down in a big way, people want cheap and quality is not really a big deal as long as its bright and colourful, most imports and budget brands offer this in spades.

2. TV viewing ? Im not sure if its on the wane but its certainly adapting to phone / tablet trends and going online, again less sales.

3. VR _ once people can get a 300" screen in front of their face and sit in a virtual movie theatre with friends ?


Now are manufacturers really this dumb ? Monitors cover the 21 - 32" range at 1080p/1440p/1600p/4k and there is a growing demand for 39" - 50" monitors to utilise the extra real estate of 4k and give a comfortable PPI.
They are litterally fencing themselves into a smaller and smaller market when in fact they could embrace the growth in PC gaming / Content creators allowing a Medium to large sized 4k TV as a viable monitor ... for the price of a minuscule bit of code on a DSP .. my tinfoil hat is firmly on, they have done this market segmentation for decades and they are right now cutting their nose off to spite their face.

some day someone ( seiki ?) will own in this area and basically make lots of money, whilst the old guard die off with their stale practices. All people want is 4:4:4 . 1:1 @ 60hz 4k with less than 35ms input lag. its not difficult and as such their complacency speaks volumes about how they have been traditionally manipulating and segregating the two markets on what are at their core the exact same LCD Panels.

rant over, I feel better now :)
 
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^ Growth in PC gaming? By how much is this area growing??
Prospects of VR are by no means certain ... remember Google Glass???
 
Hey guys,

Can any owners tell me if this supports split screen from two separate hdmi inputs of 1080? We have a chromecast and apple tv that we want to put up side by side without distortion for presentations and/or android tablet ->HDMI and ipad->HDMI.

New to the forum, great resource here!

Thanks,
Will
 
wirk said:
^ Growth in PC gaming? By how much is this area growing??
Prospects of VR are by no means certain ... remember Google Glass???
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No part of Google Glass is VR. Google Glass was meant to stay out of your line of sight, not overlay info on top of it.
 
wirk said:
Prospects for curved 40" monitors are quite real now. Samsung has 40" curved UHD TVs in the 2015 lineup suppporting 4:4:4 according to reps. They should appear soon and we will see how they perform, perhaps monitor function is quite OK. But in any case, with the 40" curved panel available it should not take long for Samsung to make genuine monitor.
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Samsung just released a 27" 1080p curved monitor. I don't know if a 4k 40" version is going to come any time soon.
 
Firepc said:
Yes but this is concave and not convex. And I would like to hear from those who have actually seen the curved monitors (which excludes me).
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same difference. Concave only works if you are watching a movie. For application software, or viewing a photo, the screen must be flat.

Would you like to view a photo that the both edges is curved and the rest is flat? At 3840, you run about 3 application. How do you view the 1st and 3rd application where 1/3 of that application is curved and the rest is flat? That's crazy
 
weehooherod said:
No part of Google Glass is VR. Google Glass was meant to stay out of your line of sight, not overlay info on top of it.
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This was only meant as an example: there was colossal hype around Glass and total flop in the end. Same may still happen with the VR.

Wag said:
Samsung just released a 27" 1080p curved monitor. I don't know if a 4k 40" version is going to come any time soon.
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Samsung also released 34" 1440p curved. Now Samsung is showing they have curved 40" 4K LCD panels in production quantities. Having such panels and 4K monitor electronics from other 4K flat monitors there is nothing simpler than packaging both as a 40" 4K monitor. The only reasons I can imagine Samsung will not make such monitor soon is waiting for the DP 1.3 and estimation of low demand for such product.


Happy Hopping said:
same difference. Concave only works if you are watching a movie. For application software, or viewing a photo, the screen must be flat.
Would you like to view a photo that the both edges is curved and the rest is flat? At 3840, you run about 3 application. How do you view the 1st and 3rd application where 1/3 of that application is curved and the rest is flat? That's crazy
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You exaggerate the curvature, it is realy very gentle one, slightly noticeable and most likely unnoticeable after some period of use. This is related to the vision adaptation process - after some time of using curved, a flat monitor could look slightly convex. The curvature is uniform (panel is shaped as part of a circle) so all apps have the same curvature.

People who have curved TVs report that they do not notice curvature when they sit in the center which is obviously the case for monitors.

People who compared 34" flat and curved monitors said they prefer curved since it is more immersive.

There was only one report of somebody involved in professional high-end photography who said he would prefer flat for his job though curved would still be better for gaming and entertainment. This is understandable but one has to take into account that 40" is wider than 34" which makes curved even more useful/necessary.

Anyway, first impressions of using the 40" curved Samsung panel should be coming soon. Maybe there will be somebody able to compare the Philips 40" flat and Samsung 40" curved side-by-side.
 
If I wait on a non-existent, non-announced product I'll be waiting forever.
 
Wag said:
If I wait on a non-existent, non-announced product I'll be waiting forever.
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and therein lies the dilemma that we all face. Electronics are a fickle mistress, one who's voice coaxes us every year with the promise of new playthings, if we finally succumb to the temptation and obtain our new objects of affection, our dreams of permanent happiness are shown to be hollow and overshadowed by her revived allurement of even newer pleasures that could be ours.
 
I just set mine up last night.

First impressions: It's BIG, but I'm not overwhelmed. I came from an eyefinity setup of 3x 24" and I have dual 27" HP ZR2740w at work, so I'm used to having a lot of real estate. Girl friend first impressions "you're ridiculous".

The stand works fine, but the lack of tilt is bothersome. I might try and wedge some shims in the back to lean it forward a bit.

Out of the box it is BRIGHT. I immediately (after changing the OSD to english) changed the settings to something close to the TFT setup. Contrast and colors are amazing.

It's glossy, about as glossy as my TV. I'm used to matte screens so it bothered me at first. Gaming I did not notice it AT ALL. On the desktop with a bunch of open space and dark background, I did notice it.

PWM, I guess I'm sensitive to it, however it doesn't bother me. If that makes sense. I know its there, but it doesn't give me a headache or anything.

Input lag, yes there is a tiny bit. I noticed it right away, but only because I'm used to nearly no lag. It's not a lot ... very very small amount, but if you're sensitive to it, you will notice it. I played about an hour of Diablo III and it didn't really affect my game play. I misclicked a few times picking up items but it wasn't too bad. I'm sure after a few days I won't notice it much.

I didn't notice any light bleed or clouding. None of the other issues people mentioned. No dead pixels that I could see.

I'll post more as I use it more tonight.
 
Godmachine said:
Is the stand wobbly? Or is it nice and sturdy?
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Mine is wobbly. The stand is mounted via 4 screws. One of them didn't tighten all the way. So it feels wobbly upon touching the monitor. However due to the overall weight, a little vibration coming from the desk won't make the monitor wobble.

Godmachine said:
How poor is the navigation with the UI? Is it just slow or completely buried into obscure and poorly labeled menu sub systems?
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Categorization and speed are okay. To me it feels a bit counter-intuitive, sometimes using the wrong direction on the joystick to akcnowledge a function. I would rather have some button on the front.

Godmachine said:
Is the color streaking really annoying? I don't think I've ran into that issue myself in a while on any monitor I owned.
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Never seen anything like it and can't begin to comprehend what could cause this. I don't notice it while doing casual stuff like browsing, watching video, reading mails etc. Big areas of uniform grey beneath white areas make it more pronounced. This does not represent my normal use case though. So it's not too annoying to me.
However I feel no mointor should exhibit such a behaviour. On the otherside I've to remind me that this is no 2000-3000€ monitor (which an higher end IPS/IGZO 40" probably would cost.)

Godmachine said:
Have you noticed any headaches or unusual eye strain?
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No.

Godmachine said:
Is the resolution difference really worth it for anything outside of gaming?
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4k 1:1 feels really gigantic. Even coming from 3x24 FullHD. This was the first thing that "wow"-ed me. And which made me keep it.

Godmachine said:
Also have to checked its input latency? Is it tolerable for input sensitive people like myself? (anything about 25-30ms I can't stand)
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Hard to say for me. I am a casual gamer, so I can't really testify to the gaming performance.
The overall response time (grey to grey) was reviewed to be quite good I guees. I think that is an fair asesment. I also think the "characteristic" of a response time induced blur is quite different among different panel types. Especially VA-Panels exhibit this kind of blur trail if moving a uniform block of color around (say the image preview icon in the windows explorer of an image that consist of only one color). My Samsung 191T had it ( back in 2002), so does the Philips. Well I guess each panel type has its oddities =)
 
wirk said:
Would you consider 40" curved to be even better all other things equal?
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No, I wouldn't see the benefit. I don't find the horizontal contrast shift to be a problem. It is more pronounced vertically, which is a matter of the height the monitor is positioned at. Moving it upwards helps with that, you would however want it positioned a bit lower due to ergonomics. It's a trade off to consider.
 
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Wag said:
If I wait on a non-existent, non-announced product I'll be waiting forever.
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Things move fast in this area, curved 40" UHD TVs are just announced, coming to shops in a couple of weeks. Same may happen with the 40" 4K monitor. In fact one has to see what are the news from CEBIT fair which start on March 17, 2015.

SuperMar1o said:
and therein lies the dilemma that we all face. Electronics are a fickle mistress, one who's voice coaxes us every year with the promise of new playthings, if we finally succumb to the temptation and obtain our new objects of affection, our dreams of permanent happiness are shown to be hollow and overshadowed by her revived allurement of even newer pleasures that could be ours.
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But the 40" 4K monitor has features of ultimate nirvana or it gets close :D : Height of this display is maximum of what one can have on the desktop, width is also such that having it curved helps, thus sizewise it is the end of the road. 4K resolution at this size is a sweetspot being equivalent to 27"@1440p. Surely there will be in the future monitors of this size with 5K and 8K resolution but advantage brought by them will be minor and so resolutionwise it is practically end of the road.. Thus the 40" 4K (curved) monitor might be the final pleasure, no further desire and temptation for replacing it with a new object of affection :p. Unless something revolutionary comes and the game will start anew :).
 
60" 21:9 (ish) 8K curved. It'll only be another 21" wider...same height.

No need for dual monitors.

:D:D
 
wirk said:
Things move fast in this area, curved 40" UHD TVs are just announced, coming to shops in a couple of weeks. Same may happen with the 40" 4K monitor. In fact one has to see what are the news from CEBIT fair which start on March 17, 2015.



But the 40" 4K monitor has features of ultimate nirvana or it gets close :D : Height of this display is maximum of what one can have on the desktop, width is also such that having it curved helps, thus sizewise it is the end of the road. 4K resolution at this size is a sweetspot being equivalent to 27"@1440p. Surely there will be in the future monitors of this size with 5K and 8K resolution but advantage brought by them will be minor and so resolutionwise it is practically end of the road.. Thus the 40" 4K (curved) monitor might be the final pleasure, no further desire and temptation for replacing it with a new object of affection :p. Unless something revolutionary comes and the game will start anew :).
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40" curved 8K would be great. You would have the desktop space of 4K but could double up the sharpness of everything.
 
weehooherod said:
40" curved 8K would be great. You would have the desktop space of 4K but could double up the sharpness of everything.
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FYI, a 53 inch 5K monitor (5120x2880) would have the same 111 PPI density as this Philips. I'm hoping for this (curved) for my next upgrade after 4K/40inch! :)
 
Are 21:9 more useful than this?

I do multitask a lot, so I'm thinking the 21:9 may be more useful, but again this does have more pixels.

Decisions, decisions.
 
Wag said:
Mmm. More importantly Amazon is discounting it to $799 (+50 tax) shipped already. This is my sweet spot. Even though it says 1-3mos wait I placed my order. I can always cancel it if something better comes along.
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do you people think this is promo price or a regular price?
 
Happy Hopping said:
Would you like to view a photo that the both edges is curved and the rest is flat? At 3840, you run about 3 application. How do you view the 1st and 3rd application where 1/3 of that application is curved and the rest is flat? That's crazy
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What is this nonsense about being partly flat and partly curved? Curved displays aren't flat in the midsection and then angled on the sides; they create one continuous arc, so for better or for worse, the entire image you see is curved regardless of how much or what region of the display it occupies. But as others have said, the curvature is very slight.

In the very limited time I spent playing with one at Fry's, it did seem to make 34" a bit more manageable and immersive without any real negative impact, but it was nowhere nera a night and day difference compared to a flat 34" display, so I wouldn't pay too much more to get a curved version -- especially since right now curved displays seem to have worse than average backlight bleed, and I'd definitely rather have a good flat display than a bleeding curved one.
 
weehooherod said:
40" curved 8K would be great. You would have the desktop space of 4K but could double up the sharpness of everything.
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Funny how for many people the appeal of this display was that it was the right size to make 4K resolution usable without having to enable OS scaling, and now people want a display this size that requires scaling to be usable. :D

8K at 60 Hz is still a ways off just on an interconnect basis (at least without resorting to hacks like using multiple DisplayPort cables to drive one), never mind a display technology and cost basis.

meraki1990 said:
Are 21:9 more useful than this?

I do multitask a lot, so I'm thinking the 21:9 may be more useful, but again this does have more pixels.

Decisions, decisions.
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This display certainly wouldn't be LESS useful from a productivity standpoint than a 3440x1440 21:9 display since you could of course drive this display at that resolution and leave black bars at the top and bottom to emulate such a display. The PPI and therefore the physical size will be essentially the same. Of course that wouldn't be a sensible use of the display, but that just means all of the extra vertical real estate simply becomes a bonus over a 34". However, if you'll be using this for multitasking, whichever display you choose, you will have to adjust your window management strategy to make effective use of these displays, since the Windows hotkeys of sizing a window to fill one half of the display would be wasteful on either of these displays. I found that a freeware app called Gridy when configured very differently from the default settings allowed me to use the Philips effectively by chopping the display into a 4x2 grid, each area roughly half the size of a 1080p display ("roughly" because I had to account for the height of the taskbar), then I had hotkeys to send a window to fill any of those segments and expand them to fill adjacent segments when desired. Without an app like that, I'd have either spent a lot of time manually resizing windows or (more likely) being lazy and using the hotkeys, wasting the real estate in the process. The bundled Philips software that does something similar to this seemed to be less flexible, not as efficient to use, and more resource-intensive, so I passed on it. Anyway, I admit it was pretty cool running a work VM that had essentially two 1080p displays' worth of real estate allocated to it along the top half of my display and still having another pair of 1080p displays' worth of real estate underneath for my personal stuff. :)

All that said, the real question is whether the increased vertical display area from jumping up to 40" makes the display simply overwhelming to use, which was my impression and what prompted me to put the Philips up for sale very shortly after I received it -- though I seem to be the only owner thus far who didn't like it. A 34" probably would have been manageable, though at that point I would have considered 30" as well just because I like 16:10.
 
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http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/tv-video/tv/uhd/UN40HU7000FXZC

okay, people, a while ago, we were saying that the reason we cannot use the above, is because it only support HDMI at 60Hz, and our video card is 30Hz at HDMI, and that we have to wait till HDMI 2.0

Well, the Strix GTX 960 is HDMI 2.0, and it's available, so what's the harm if we switch gear to go w/ any UHD 40" w/ HDMI 2.0 video card like STrix GTX 960?
 
I bit on the Korean seller on Amazon, picked it up tonight from UPS, and now I'm emailing back and forth with the seller because it arrived broken. :(

Except for the fact that I have what looks like some photoshop gradient lesson overlaying the screen, it seems like it's going to be fantastic from a size/resolution perspective.
 
kapone said:
60" 21:9 (ish) 8K curved. It'll only be another 21" wider...same height.No need for dual monitors. :D:D
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JTB3 said:
FYI, a 53 inch 5K monitor (5120x2880) would have the same 111 PPI density as this Philips. I'm hoping for this (curved) for my next upgrade after 4K/40inch! :)
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This is not so simple. Monitor which would be much wider than the 40" Philips may not be useful. Think about this: Curvature can not be too big due to distortions, in fact the current curved panels are made as part of a circle 120-160" diameter. If such monitor panel is too wide the difference between the distance to the center and edges becomes too big. I do not know what would be the smallest diameter at which distortions are still below the radar.

weehooherod said:
40" curved 8K would be great. You would have the desktop space of 4K but could double up the sharpness of everything.
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This would be minor effect. One can easily check this: go to Apple store and look at their 27@1440p and 27@5K monitors. The former has exactly same pixel density as 40"@4K and the latter as 40"@8K. One can ask for arranging them side-by-side with the same background image. There is some difference visible but nothing of earth-shattering, block-busting of sorts, it is easy to forget it.


jphughan said:
it was nowhere nera a night and day difference compared to a flat 34" display, so I wouldn't pay too much more to get a curved version -- especially since right now curved displays seem to have worse than average backlight bleed, and I'd definitely rather have a good flat display than a bleeding curved one.
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40" might be more in the need of curved since it is wider than 34"

jphughan said:
8K at 60 Hz is still a ways off just on an interconnect basis (at least without resorting to hacks like using multiple DisplayPort cables to drive one), never mind a display technology and cost basis.
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Both NIVIDIA and AMD said they are working on 8K, there was recently a new connector standardized which supports 8K. 8K monitors may show up as early as next year.

Happy Hopping said:
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/tv-video/tv/uhd/UN40HU7000FXZC okay, people, a while ago, we were saying that the reason we cannot use the above, is because it only support HDMI at 60Hz, and our video card is 30Hz at HDMI, and that we have to wait till HDMI 2.0. Well, the Strix GTX 960 is HDMI 2.0, and it's available, so what's the harm if we switch gear to go w/ any UHD 40" w/ HDMI 2.0 video card like STrix GTX 960?
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It is a commong knowledge that GTX 9xx cards support HDMI 2.0. Some people just do not want to invest in a new card and new monitor.
 
Tol said:
I bit on the Korean seller on Amazon, picked it up tonight from UPS, and now I'm emailing back and forth with the seller because it arrived broken. :(

Except for the fact that I have what looks like some photoshop gradient lesson overlaying the screen, it seems like it's going to be fantastic from a size/resolution perspective.
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Oh no :(

Hopefully they purchased insurance thru UPS, I was told it was only 10 dollars for full coverage through them. PM me if you have any trouble with this process since I just went through it myself with DHL.

Happy Hopping said:
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/tv-video/tv/uhd/UN40HU7000FXZC

okay, people, a while ago, we were saying that the reason we cannot use the above, is because it only support HDMI at 60Hz, and our video card is 30Hz at HDMI, and that we have to wait till HDMI 2.0

Well, the Strix GTX 960 is HDMI 2.0, and it's available, so what's the harm if we switch gear to go w/ any UHD 40" w/ HDMI 2.0 video card like STrix GTX 960?
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IIRC the problem with this series, was that the HDCP chip used doesn't support 4:4:4 color at 60hz. Also, the newer JU series are out at nearly the same price, so most of us have moved onto testing those for monitor-worthiness.
 
qkslvr221 said:
IIRC the problem with this series, was that the HDCP chip used doesn't support 4:4:4 color at 60hz. Also, the newer JU series are out at nearly the same price, so most of us have moved onto testing those for monitor-worthiness.
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Could you explain this? Are you saying with a 900 series GTX that supports HDMI 2.0 will not be able to support 4:4:4 4k at 60hz?
 
crb806 said:
Could you explain this? Are you saying with a 900 series GTX that supports HDMI 2.0 will not be able to support 4:4:4 4k at 60hz?
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No, I'm saying the older televisions are the problem. The first generation HDMI 2.0 chips do not support enough bandwidth to drive 4k60 at 4:4:4.

This, and mediocre input latencies, are why people aren't buying the 2014 LG/Panasonic/Samsung TVs. We've moved onto the 2015 JU series (and displayport-based screens like the Phillips). :cool:
 
I have been enjoying this thread for a while and it seems time to step up :)

Having ordered the Eight wonder yesterday I now feel worthy - it should be on my desk come Tuesday and I shall of course relay how it does.

Since this thread now also is debating curved vs. flat I think I should point everyone to what LG is doing. They have showed the world a 77" 4K OLED TV that is curved and flat in that it is flexible and you switch between the two shapes with the press of a button (while it keeps showing you the images it is feed). In other words someday we shall be able to have our cake and eat it too :D

Yes - it does bend and that is a good thing

Clearly it will be a while before any kind of reasonable amount will buy you a 4K OLED monitor be it flat, curved or both so for now it seems the Phillips is the way to go - at least that is my bet.
 
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Tol said:
I bit on the Korean seller on Amazon, picked it up tonight from UPS, and now I'm emailing back and forth with the seller because it arrived broken. :(

Except for the fact that I have what looks like some photoshop gradient lesson overlaying the screen, it seems like it's going to be fantastic from a size/resolution perspective.
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see, if you read my post on that dealer from amazon, and my post on amazon customer service, you'll understand why I didn't buy from that guy.

AT the time, the item is $945, then in a day, he jack it up to $975. I see that as dishonestly. Then I call amazon, they said if the screen is damage, I'm at the discretion of that guy, NOT amazon.

Anyhoo, after reading 100 pages on this LCD, I ordered from Amazon today at $799.99.

IT IS IN STOCK. Eventhough the website says not available until Apr. 23. I call amazon customer service, I was asking that amazon employee on cancellation process if I can buy it locally, and that employee says looking at the inventory, it shows it is IN STOCK. So I say how come it says "usually ship in 1 to 3 months".

He doesn't really have a good answer on that, but it is in stock, so I place my order and I'll see when it will arrive. He can't tell me which warehouse it is coming from
 
Happy Hopping said:
IT IS IN STOCK. Eventhough the website says not available until Apr. 23. I call amazon customer service, I was asking that amazon employee on cancellation process if I can buy it locally, and that employee says looking at the inventory, it shows it is IN STOCK. So I say how come it says "usually ship in 1 to 3 months".
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Amazon's support is usually incompetent. They are very willing to help and I think they try the best they can but every time I have chatted or called them they are just clueless, as an example: I asked for the return policy on a item once and they gave me the product page for a square trade warranty. I would trust the website.
 
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