PCIe 5.0 Is Ready For Prime Time

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  1. fightingfi

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    PCIe 5.0 Is Ready For Prime Time
    by Paul Alcorn January 17, 2019 at 6:30 AM

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    The industry has been stuck on PCIe 3.0 for roughly seven years, and even though the first support for PCIe 4.0 on the desktop will land soon in AMD's third-gen Ryzen chips and the first PCIe 4.0 SSDs just cropped up, the industry is already adopting PCIe 5.0. The new standard doubles throughput over PCIe 4.0, yielding a data rate of 32 GT/s.

    Today PCI-SIG, the organization that defines PCIe standards, announced that it ratified Version 0.9 of the PCI Express 5.0 specification, signaling that end devices will come to market in the near future. (Companies design end devices as early as revision 0.4 and often launch with 0.9.)

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    PCIe is the ubiquitous engine that pulls a big part of the computing locomotive down the trackā€”it touches nearly every device in your computer. As such, it is the catalyst for the development of many other technologies, such as storage, networking, GPUs, chipsets, and many other devices.

    Unfortunately, the PCIe 4.0 standard was late compared to PCI-SIG's normal two-year cadence: PCIe 3.0 landed in 2010, leaving a 7-year gap between it and the introduction of PCIe 4.0. Given the faster arrival of the PCIe 4.0 standard, it's easy to assume it could be short-lived, especially given that vendors have already begun to design devices with new PCIe 5.0 PHY's.

    PCI-SIG expects the two standards to co-exist in the market for some time, with PCIe 5.0 used primarily for high-performance devices that crave the ultimate in throughput, like GPUs for AI workloads, and networking applications. That means that many of the leading PCIe 5.0 devices will land in data center, networking, and HPC environments, while less-intense applications, like desktop PCs, are fine with the PCIe 4.0 interface.



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    PCIe 4.0 brings 64GBps of throughput, while PCIe 5.0 will double that to 128GBps. Both revisions still use the 128b/130b encoding scheme that debuted with PCIe 3.0. PCI-SIG representatives said they are satisfied with the 20% reduction in overhead facilitated by the 128b/130b encoding, and further encoding refinements to reduce the current 1.5% overhead are subject to a diminishing point of returns.

    PCIe 5.0 also brings other features, like electrical changes to improve signal integrity, backward-compatible CEM connectors for add-in cards, and backward compatibility with previous versions of PCIe. The PCI-SIG also designed the new standard to reduce latency and tolerate higher signal loss for long-reach applications.

    The PCI-SIG defines the specification, but it has no control over when the end devices make it to market. The PCI-SIG expects to ratify the final 1.0 revision in the first quarter of 2019, and the first PCIe 5.0 devices should debut this year. Broader availability should come in 2020.
     
  2. drescherjm

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    I know that AMD plans to have some PCIe 4.0 support later this year but I wonder if Intel will just skip PCIe 4.0 and go with PCIe 5.0 in 2020.
     
  3. Dan_D

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    That's a good question and I suspect the answer will be yes.
     
  4. UnknownSouljer

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    I guess like all things, "it depends". I suspect it's not just something that can be slapped on as my understanding is that all PCI-E lanes are built into the processor. I'd imagine then that there has to be development to integrate it into processors.
    Intel hasn't released all info on Sunny Cove for desktop (we barely see it in mobile). It could be PCI-E 4.0, followed by a quick move to 5.0 in 2020. I suspect that Intel's 10 nm will be short lived and there will be a quick move to 7nm. Perhaps PCIE 4.0 will fair the same for them.

    Of course all of this is just conjecture. Nothing really to do but wait and see.
     
  5. ssj925

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    I can see AMD using PCI-e 4.0 for awhile , while Intel skips directly to 5.0

    Connector and everything is still the same and backwards compatible?