PC Gaming Too Expensive, Switching to Consoles, so long [H]

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by psy81, Apr 26, 2019.

  1. geok1ng

    geok1ng 2[H]4U

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    you can't and you needn't,
    $130 radeon 570 8GB has as much power as a console,
    $315 nets a new Vega 56
    and ~$425 a used 1080ti

    the first GPU i used at 4k was a GTX 970 with mere 4GB( aka 3;5GB).
     
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  2. horrorshow

    horrorshow [H]ardness Supreme

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    This is true.

    Scored a 570 4GB for $75 shipped for my little brother.

    Killer stuff for a guy like him that mostly plays Overwatch etc.
     
  3. yourgrandma

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    I'm just waiting for the inevitable "console gaming too expensive switching to streaming" posts in a few years.
     
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    It will be interesting to see the graphical fidelity that is offered and how the latency is.
     
  5. AltTabbins

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    ..but you are. If you really didn’t care you wouldn’t have posted about it.
     
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  6. psy81

    psy81 Limp Gawd

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    I like how you left out my reason for posting - jump in cost compared to years ago and really the purpose of the post was to say my farewell to [H] for the time being.

    Anyways, that's it, I'm out... I won't miss the many trolls here (but I did expect to get trolled :p) but I will miss the helpful folks over the years that have helped me out.

    Alot of folks here made some good points here but I'm willing to accept console gaming for the foreseeable future.
     
  7. sharknice

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    The new Ferrari costs over a million dollars. Driving is too expensive. I'm switching to biking. Bye guys.
     
  8. RogueTrip

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    I'd say go, you got fooled into thinking you need SLI and 4K, and now you need DLSS, sucker.

    No need to get in the forfront of tech. Never know what is going to be adopted and last. As a 90's kid I remember drooling in all those mags about the newest tech like 3Dfx, aureal 3d, VR...

    I'm happy PC gamer snapping up all these free PC games dev's have been giving out and hardly need kind of system to play. Don't see them giving away games on consoles nearly as much.

    With free games from twitch prime, steam, epic store, ubisoft, gog, origin is there even a reason to look at those AAA or AA titles that just want to kill your system as well just rehash itself or something like it and cash grab anymore. F U lootbox and microtransactions!

    I bought a Nintendo Switch last summer, played and beat Mario Odyssey and that's it. I'm rather dissapointed with the switch. Only other console game I've seen that looks good is that Spiderman PS4 game. Like Hell I'm buying a PS4 for that though.



    Lets see, some of the recent free games I've grabbed:
    Transistor
    The Messenger (great BTW)
    Broforce (playing now and its fun as hell)
    Axiom Verge
    Shadow Warrior 2
    Sub Nautica
    Super Meatboy
    Oxen Free
    Shadow Complex (great game)
    Hotline Miami 1/2 (finished the 1st one, awesome!)
    Soma
    Grim Fandango Remastered
    Assassins Creed 3 and Unity
    Distraint
    Strafe
    Swords of Ditto
    Crossing Souls
    Kholat

    and lots more. This has the be the worst time to leave PC gaming in my opinion!


    Oh, and what about some of my steam games getting free remasters like bioshock and darksiders that I had previously bought! Great bonuses!
     
  9. CaptainClueless

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    Translation: Performance gains from the latest generation of GPUs are low, but cost increases are high. I cannot afford to upgrade my already high-end gaming rig this generation, so I am quitting PC gaming and making a public spectacle of it.

    It's OK, we all need attention sometimes.
     
  10. TheHig

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    Besides being able to play every single game (give or take) that I have purchased in the last decade or more on my PC(s) I enjoy the building speccing out and tuning of the machine as much , if not more, than actually playing games nowadays. Certainly not going to hate on you for choosing to game on a console vs PC. That debate has raged for a VERY long time and personally the PC wins for me hands down. However, for ease of use and plug and play? Consoles are great. Turn it on and get your gaming fix -- walk away. Its convenient and enjoyable. A "Why can't we have both?" situation if you will.

    You do you man. The [H] will be here for you when you come back. ;)
     
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  11. Revenant_Knight

    Revenant_Knight Limp Gawd

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    PC Gaming and console gaming are really just becoming one. Xbox One X is basically 8 Jaguar Cores attached to an RX480 with a few tweaks and optimizations. It can output like a midrange PC and some games are starting to get mouse and keyboard support. What you're really doing is just choosing to play a curated version of PC games with a different interface.

    Truth be told, I miss the simplicity of console gaming. However, as soon as I try to play games on the PS4 Pro, and get sub 60 frame rates while fighting the controller to try to point my character in the right direction, I start ordering new PC parts.

    If the next gen consoles really live up to the hype, allow mouse and keyboard support, and developers can focus on 60FPS or more gaming with FreeSync 2, I might give it a run. Dice recently had an internal e-mail slip where they estimated 20% of PC players in BF1 / BFV are using some sort of cheat. For competitive multiplayer games it might be nice to know there is a far better chance I died due to my lack of skill rather than someones virtual steroids. But again... not at 30FPs or with the controller.
     
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  13. RanceJustice

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    I can't say I totally understand your situation and perhaps things are something drastically different in Canada, but if your concern is cost (not to mention all the other aspects ) it would seem to be a serious mistake.

    You seem to be focusing a lot on the costs of GPUs and in relationship to other GPUs (primarily Nvidia) , but that has little bearing on gaming performance in and of itself. Yes, I absolutely agree that the Nvidia RTX series are overpriced and Nvidia as a whole is pushing in a direction that isn't pleasing with regards to price/performance. However, there are a wide variety of cards available without that kind of markup, new and used alike. For instance, there are a great many older GTX 1070, 1070 Ti, 1080, 1080 Ti cards out there that still hold up very well indeed. Even better are the assortment of AMD cards - from the 570 and 580, to Vega56 and Vega 64, and even Radeon VII (not to mention the coming of Navi this summer) which are more affordable and (in my opinion) more worthy of support due to their policies than Nvidia right now. If you take a little time to buy a used card from say, someone here on [H], you'll likely get solidly treated hardware at a fantastic deal!

    It also depends what your target might be in terms of resolution and refresh rate. Most of the cards listed will enable you to max out settings at 1080p at 60hz up to 144hz and beyond, with some of the higher end cards (ie 1070 or Vega) will let you output at 1440p @ 60 up to 144hz easily, maxed. In many cases they'll also take care of multiple displays or ultrawides etc. It is only at 4K when you need to choose the upper echelon in order to run maxed out on nearly every title at 60hz or greater . Of course, if you have a monitor capable of FreeSync (or GSync) it will really even the field as it means you can have a smoother experience at a wider assortment of frequencies / FPS counts! Compare all of this to consoles where the PS4 renders often at or around 1080p at best and often at 30FPS , and even the PS4 Pr sometimes handles 1080p to get to 60FPS or upscaled resolutions at lower FPS, and you'll likely have more flexibility and image quality playing on PC!

    Aside from picking up a GPU more powerful than the one in the PS4 or PS4 Pro for less than the cost of such a console, its also noteworthy that the limitations of the console platform - especially on price - become available. Games on PC are available on sales - consider that even pre-launch these days if I look around I can usually find a title for around 20-25% discounted! Thanks to Steam and key-selling stores like GreenManGaming, Humble Store and the like, you can pick up a game at a much greater discount, much faster, than you can ever do on consoles. Console titles take longer to go on sale and their sale values are miniscule - GMG for instance sells PS4 titles and a game that may offer a 40-50%+ discount on PC may have an 8-10% discount on PS4 ; this is constant thanks to the control of console resales and the singular platform. I could spend a lot of time talking about the business and ethical implications of console gaming, but suffice it to say that its not very good for user value or a thriving ecosystem.

    This is of course not mentioning any of the other benefits of PC gaming - from PC titles having the best options, the availability of mods (without risking getting your console banned), support for varying OSes especially Linux, and many other facets make PC gaming more viable and a better value for the player. On PC, there are options for both heavy customization and pick-up-and-play styles (ie Retroarch emulators and/or Steam's Big Picture UI), but when it comes to value you're likely better off on PC.
     
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  14. rgMekanic

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    I built a dedicated rig for sim racing, running 3x 144hz 1080p 27's, a 4th monitor for telemetry and discord and such, and occasionally VR ( Explorer, dual 1440 screens ) It cost me about $250, buying 90% of the components from right here.

    I just upgraded the GPU in the wife's PC to an RX 580 8GB from here, replacing my old 7970 she was using. She plays everything (except planet coaster, fucking game is a CPU eating monster) maxxed out 1080p 60, and her whole PC, including the RX 580 cost me $175. Before that I literally built her gaming PC for $50.

    My HTPC is a ist gen i7 Dell that someone was going to throw out, with a (then) $40 R7 260X. Works great for streaming, youtube, and plays my entire game library at 1080p 60 thanks to Steam in home streaming ;)

    My sig rig was expensive... however, the only new parts in it are the CPU (Got a store to price match microcenter), GPU (Bought on closeout when the Fury was going out for $215 ), PSU (Hot deal here), and reservoir (This one I paid retail for). Everything else was bought used, at a cost of about 30% of what it would have cost me new. And runs everything great at 1440p 75hz.

    I'm a broke ass blue collar redneck, and I have 4 gaming PCs in my house. 3/4 combined cost less than a console.

    Also, I doubt I can run lightroom on an Xbox, or do my taxes on a PS4. For what you are going to spend on 1 year of Playstation + or whatever it is... I'm going to build my stepson a rig.
     
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  15. Master_shake_

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    the canadian dollar sucks ass right now.

    here's a 2070 for 620+taxes.

    go get em tiger.
     
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  16. Flogger23m

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    He does have a point from a low end perspective. These days the difference between medium and high settings isn't that big. A $200-300 console with a controller is hard to argue with considering the cost of low end GPUs these days ($200+). But you can always find a middle ground. 1440 monitor or 1080 with a $300-400 GPU should be sufficient. Currently GPUs are over priced but hopefully that will correct soon.
     
  17. MavericK

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    He's not wrong when it comes to GPUs, prices in recent years have skyrocketed. Even top-end CPUs are getting more and more expensive.
     
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  18. Staples

    Staples [H]ardness Supreme

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    I think the biggest problem with PC gaming is that the sky is the limit. With consoles, well Xbox One X is the most powerful and you can often find that for $400 USD.
    I've dealt with the problem for decades too and I think a lot of the time it would just be easier to go console only.

    Ever since the PS3/Xbox 360, the resolution of most games has been decent enough on console but the whole 30fps has really bothered me. I expect a lot more games to come out at 60fps come the next gen when we have a new CPU in the system.

    Anyway, I don't play many games. It would be a lot cheaper for me to go console only as well since I wouldn't have this itch 100% of the time to upgrade crap that won't really give me a benefit. I wish I could take my PC versions of games to a console I already have. I think it would keep me from looking at newegg all the time.


    Edit: and some corrections from replies in this thread.

    Xbox One X and S support Freesync and it works just fine on the 4K/60hz Freesync monitor I have mine connected to. Many games run locked 30fps or 60fps and maintain those frame rates so it is not as useful as it is on PC games.

    Xbox One (all versions) do support KBM however it is new and only a handful games support it. The most popular one being Fortnite.
     
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  19. Mchart

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    IMO the pricing is nearly the same as it's always been, if not better, due to how long chipsets/CPU will last you these days.

    Sure, you can get skyrocket high priced GPU's if you want to game at 4K native resolution with high FPS - But you don't have to.

    I think OP is just wrong. Things are better than ever. Yes, consoles are always the cheaper route, but you aren't getting 4k @ 60FPS (with no scaling) with max settings in a game like AC Odyssey on the consoles. You can get this on the PC, you just have to be willing to pay for it. Otherwise, you can still play @ 1080p with a decade old chipset at this point, and a $200 GPU.
     
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    Not wrong on that specific point, but again - You aren't spending all that money just to get a game barely running at a lower resolution like we did in the 90's. You are only paying that price if you want 4K gaming without scaling, etc.

    Personally, I can't stand how consoles target mostly 30FPS, some even dip to 20FPS. Very few games are actually 60. I've played the same game back to back on console/PC, and while i'm fine with the graphics being turned down a bit on consoles, 30 FPS feels like a slideshow once you've been gaming at 60+ for a while.
     
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    The way I have always looked at PC gaming is that the console is equal in price to a GPU. So if a console costs $300 - 400 which is typical at launch then I compare PC gaming to console gaming in that I would spend $400 for a GPU alone. Reason is you need a computer anyway. The GPU is just there for gaming. Right now you can get a gtx 1070 for that price range and that is a very formidable card that runs most of my games way over 144hz.
     
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  22. Derangel

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    Only if you're buying new. I get it, not everyone wants to take a chance on used parts but there are some incredible used deals out there. Also, top-end CPUs are a huge waste of money if your primarily goal is just to play PC games not to mention CPUs that are 3-4 years are still perfectly fine for modern day gaming, even if you're aiming for above 60 FPS.
     
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  23. harmattan

    harmattan [H]ardness Supreme

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    Thing is, you can spend <$1000 will get you nearly double the performance of what you would get from the top-end console (Xb1Pro). Also, <$1000 in PC hardware will get you near 70% of what $2000 will get you in PC gaming performance. Less if you buy used or already have viable components to reuse.

    Let's see what going used will get you (going from some examples of what's in the FS/FT forum right now)...

    GTX 1070 ti - $260
    Ryzen 2600 / x370 / 8GB DDR 4 2800 - $290
    Corsair 650W PSU - $50
    ATX Case - $50
    500GB SSD - $60
    Total = $810

    That's a heck of a lot of rendering power for 800 schmekels. Take into account reusing your mobo, CPU, PSU, SSD and case over several years and it's an even better value proposition.
     
  24. Dodge245

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    FYI, I have not read all the posts.

    I don't get how PC gaming is more expensive? The initial outlay sure can be, but if you are happy with console power/graphics then build a Gaming PC with a 2060 and a mid-level i5. Buy all your games for £20 in steam sales and humble bundle. The money you save on games in comparison to the console goes to a future PC Upgrade...

    10 games (Conservative Number) a year at £60 for Console, VS 10 games at £20 for PC... Put the £40 per game in a savings account for a PC upgrade, £400 a year for PC upgrades...

    I couldn't afford to Game on consoles... (I do own a PS4, it is used for Blu-Ray )
     
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  25. SOAREVERSOR

    SOAREVERSOR Limp Gawd

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    The issue is you sort of do to justify a PC. The PC experience is better than the console experience, if you have the money to throw at it. But for the cost of a console or more than a console the PC experience just isn't as good.

    The PC market is in an odd sort of place an "affordable" PC for everyday usability and functions that can also game on the side is cheaper than ever before but this is at a time where everyday computing is more and more done on laptops or tablets and not a desktop so it's still going out of your way. On the other hand a truly high end PC experience that is really capable of show casing the platform is more expensive than ever.

    The PC market isn't the only one that's flying apart like this but it's one that you can firmly look at and say I can get a laptop + console for less than the price of a gaming PC and less support costs over their lifetime and it will probably be a better gaming and computing situation for my needs especially in an time where incomes are stagnant.
     
  26. vegeta535

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    Nah. Most people have cheap garbage TVs. To think a lot of people have qled or oleds is lol.
     
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  27. Draax

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    I'm still running a sandybridge socket 1155 2600k on one of the mobos which people were supposed to send in for a replacement. The only thing I have upgraded is my GPU, since then, and that is comparable to the cost of a console. The cost of console games, and console online subscription costs should also be factored into any cost analysis between PC and console.
     
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  28. Burticus

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    I do both. I have PS4 as well as a decent gaming PC, I think there is room for both. The PC cannot be beat for bargain gaming. You don't need a supercomputer. And the Humble Monthly bundles and the occasional Steam sale item will fill your backlog to infinite capabilities. OTOH, console gaming can be done affordably too if you don't mind buying used, selling your games, and don't stockpile a huge collection. Plus the "free" games you get from PS+ / XBL gold do add up and add plenty of cannon fodder type of games.

    What I play at the end of the day can kind of reflect my mood and what I've been doing at work (IT datacenter guy). If I have been working on servers all day and I'm just sick of screwing with computers, I play PS4 or just stream movies. On PC honestly I spend more time tinkering with game performance / system tuning stuff than actually playing the games, LOL. Or I just end up fixing my wife's laptop over and over again to kill time (not for fun, LOL).
     
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  29. cyclone3d

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    You do know that you can hook up your computer to your TV.. right?
     
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  30. Dan_D

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    I've been using a Samsung KS8500 for about two years now.
     
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    I feel you man. I had a pretty solid SLI Titan X system up until about 2014, when I just didn't want to continue upgrading the PC (I wouldn't settle for anything less than max settings at 1440P at the time, so that was a continuous problem, so to speak). When I swapped over to PS4 a little while after that when I finally had time to sit around and game for a little each week, I found myself still having a great time, if not better than when I played solely on the PC. Up until a few months ago when I broke down and built the rig in sig., I was solely playing PS4 and Switch, and having a damn good time doing it (tons of great titles).

    I think it's a double edged sword. You either have the funds to keep pumping into your PC or you don't. If you don't, you steer towards console gaming. Initial cost is cheaper, but games are still fantastic and top-notch. It's the best of both worlds when you can dedicated time and resources to both to experience all the great titles, but we don't all have that luxury to pick and choose. The PC is by far the most versatile option, and outside of some exclusives for consoles, offers the best visual fidelity and performance, but it comes with a price tag to match. I can't say that I can really justify having upgraded my PC, as I have extremely limited time to game, but it's by far the best way to experience most titles.
     
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    I think it's all within the same circle of cost. PC a bit more upfront, but overall...less when you consider the backwards compatibility and future compatibility of purchases made. My arcade sticks purchased for the 360/PS3 eras still work wonderfully on my PC. Didn't have to get a new PCB or anything to use them. All my games that I previously purchased made the move with me. I didn't have to hope that someone allowed me. So, that's money I get to save on "remasters" or what have you. Sure, by going PC fully I miss out on one or two exclusives...but I'm old these days. I ain't got time for even the 1500+ Steam games I do own.

    Also, if you're not interested in chasing the 4k/60 Dragon...you get a lot of mileage out of hardware. Without having to throw the whole thing away. PS4 to PS4 Pro meant having to buy a whole new machine. Or, you can just pop in a new card for the PC.
     
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  33. Armenius

    Armenius I Drive Myself to the [H]ospital

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    You can connect your PC to those very same televisions. I hope you also realize that a lot of games are faking HDR, like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Nier: Automata.
    PC games have those "tricks," as well. Resolution scaling is a thing and has been for a very long time on PC. Checkerboarding as an option has also made its way to games on PC.
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    Your definition of "low end GPU" and mine vary greatly if you believe they cost >= $200.
    I do find it funny how the cost over time is always left out of the conversation of console vs. PC. Including the price of games and subscriptions the cost for me between PS4 and PC is about even over the span of 5 years.
     
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    SOAREVERSOR Limp Gawd

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    This leaves out target market for this product which really defines where most people are going to come from. Gaming is one of those luxuries for people with extra money that competes for the coveted 20's-40's, educated, urban, professional like every other thing does. This market does upgrade their phone every year or every two years, has a tablet, has a laptop, and does have a 4k TV along with access to 4k media.

    The issue is that "PC gaming" to where it's better than consoles does really require throwing $2000 at a desktop, $700-2000 at a monitor and then space to put it. Using a desktop now makes as much sense for most people as busting out a flip phone. And while the experience can be much better than anything you'd get on a console it's not always the case and you're still talking fitting 400 bucks into something you have vs a few grand into something you don't. And with consoles becoming closer and closer to computers, streaming taking off, and cross platform gaming the lines are blurring more than ever.

    More and more people have a little bit of everything where they game across it all depending on where they are in their ownership cycle of things. IMHO I think brands like Razer which sort of target everything as a life style brand have a grasp about this others don't yet. And with TVs starting to have adaptive sync and ship with real 120hz that line is bluring as well.
     
  35. Staples

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    I am glad to know someone besides me has noticed the TVs with QLED/OLED seems to run a bit cheaper than SMALL monitors with the same technology. I've always wanted one computer monitor that does it all. So far I've always had two, one TN for gaming and one IPS for everything else. I can only have one in front of me at a time so I swap them all the time. My ideal can do everything computer monitor would be a 27" 4K QLED 120hz. They have these I think but they are $2k. I run few games at 4K but I have the graphics card scale the output and it works out pretty well.
     
  36. Staples

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    This is true. I don't think many people realize this. As dynamic scaling has been baked into game engines mainly for consoles so they can maintain their 30 or 60fps limit (without drops), dynamic resolutions have been making their way into PC games of the last ~2 years. I think it is safe to say any game that has scaling video options (COD BO4, Doom engine) have the capability and possible use of dynamic scaling while in game.
     
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  37. Mchart

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    It's honestly pretty laughable when I really think about someone saying PC's are too expensive right now.

    My ancient Q6600 system with a GTX 980 that I use as a media PC now can easily run all the latest AAA titles @ 1080P still with maybe only a few settings turned down. Shit, i've got an old Alienware 17 laptop with a mobile quad core and a 980m that still runs most things @ 1080p just fine as well, and it's only worth maybe $200-300 if I were to sell it now! That's cheap.

    Chipsets and CPU's last so long these days, and even GPU's last a long time if you are fine with turning down graphics options - Which is what you get with a console anyways, if not worse on the console.

    The only thing consoles have going for them still are exclusives, and in 2019 that's only the PS4 and Switch since all the xbox games play on Windows 10 now anyways.
     
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    You're whining about pointless shit. YOU are the only reason you spent $3000 of funny money on your new PC, when you could get a more basic gaming PC for 1/3 that.

    Have fun barely hitting 30fps in most modern console games.
     
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  39. BiH115

    BiH115 Gif Guy

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    It's two sides of a coin. People who are happy with being able to play all the latest games and decent settings and decent performance, and people like me and a lot of others on this forum who won't settle for less than everything turned up (hell, I'm even thinking of grabbing another 2080 TI this week). It's the same argument as anything else. People who upgrade their phones every year, people who upgrade their cars every 3 years, etc. Different strokes.
     
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  40. psy81

    psy81 Limp Gawd

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    The reason I spent $3,000 is cause I refuse to compromise when it comes to PC gaming. If I'm gaming on PC, I'm trying to max out settings and enjoy PC gaming in all its glory.

    It's go big or go home for me.

    When it comes to consoles, I can accept it for what it is.

    I don't expect most of you to understand this but its just the way I am.

    I spent 8 years here helping folks with their overclocks and builds, giving tips to new/current pc builders and complimenting people and vice versa and I'll remember this place with fond memories and choose to ignore the hate I'm receiving for simply sharing my "own" personal journey and for wanting to say good bye to a place that has given so much over the years.

    PC gaming is by far the best experience but personally, I can't afford to meet my "own" standards (due to life) in the coming years and I've come to this realization.

    I'll continue to game on my current rig and enjoy it for years to come.

    With that said, I'll leave it at that and feel free to trash me all you want cause I won't be reading it...

    Thanks!